I want to buy my craft bag outright!

Suter1972

the craft bag (and the DLC access) is the reason I took out ESO+.

jircris11

BadLuckCharm wrote: »

You can buy it - it costs about $16... $17? i think, lasts for 30 days, and comes with bonus features like access to all DLC.

It's just the way it's made.

very well worded, and it makes sense!

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

@Lucius_Aelius agree with you completely. Hope some of the things like you suggested are brought in as inventory space is a mess.

AzraelKrieg

magnusthorek wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned, ESO+ can be paid only with credit card.

For those like me living outside US, this requires an international credit card which, depending on the country, banking laws (for minimum requirements) or even charged taxes, is not viable to have.

Being able to buy-off should exist to cover these players. But, personally, I wouldn't pay those stratospheric prices ZO$ defines.

My Paypal account says otherwise. I've been using Paypal to pay for ESO+ sub since launch.

jircris11

you can pay using paypal, guildies of mine do it all the time.

rotaugen454

The moment they make the bag available for purchase, I will buy one and cancel my sub. I imagine a lot of subbers will do the same. It's not a threat, it's just reality. I would have no reason to keep a sub. I would just buy up crowns once a year during sales, as it is a far better deal.

NewBlacksmurf

MornaBaine wrote: »

There do need to be incentives to subscribe. Crafting bags are currently the largest one and are the main reason I keep my sub.

I completely disagree that a QoL improvement to the base game must only be accessible via a subscription.
There are a number of current incentives to subscribe but let's touch on what you and others are suggesting here.

If the main reason many are subscribing is for a crafting bag, would not it make better sense to sale the feature if there has to be real money tied to it outright In addition to if being offered with a sub.

See this is why I personally debate the mindsets that people must be enticed to keep subscribing. If the content has value and access to all added content is via a subscription then that alone meets the requirement. Content releases around every 90 days so if the content isn't valued enough for a subscription then that's a development issue.

A crafting bag, like a assistant banker or merchant is a very nice QoL feature that while 5k is a lot IMO, it's something I'd pay 2500-5k for.

If ZOS were to continue adding QoL features every 6 months as well as new content every 90 days, the two suffice as seperate real money decisions.

Now there are other discussions around ESO plus benefits that can be made but this one seeing how QoL things like motif, mounts, assistants and consumables do well in the crown store, and knowing everyone isn't going to sub or may sub here and there, the obvious long term decission is to offer it both as a sub and/or a crown purchase.

No reasons to take it off the sub but no reason not to charge for it outright either.

idk

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

I've been a sub for 8 months and I'd like to buy the bag outright.

Imagine how much £€$ ZOS would make if they made it say 5000 crowns to buy outright.
The sales would be through the roof and many subs would stay subbed, monthly crowns, all dlc, bonus exp/gold/research and costume dyes.

This view is short sighted. The intent is to encourage new subs and as such the quotes suggestion would fail to do that.

Zos made a business decision and will not be chancing their mind on this.

NewBlacksmurf

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

I've been a sub for 8 months and I'd like to buy the bag outright.

Imagine how much £€$ ZOS would make if they made it say 5000 crowns to buy outright.
The sales would be through the roof and many subs would stay subbed, monthly crowns, all dlc, bonus exp/gold/research and costume dyes.

This view is short sighted. The intent is to encourage new subs and as such the quotes suggestion would fail to do that.

Zos made a business decision and will not be chancing their mind on this.

Care to elaborate on how only offering access as a sub is a good business decision?

I'm asking cause other than testing issues that are exclusive to Xbox one ESO plus, I won't sub at all even with the bag cause it's of no real benefit. I'd like to buy the bag but if it's just sub only.....guess who loses on additional revenue? ZOS cause I did buy the merchant and am considering the overpriced bank assistant as well.

Avenias

autumnsongbird wrote: »

why not? If I could buy it outright as an option while it was also part of plus NOBODY would be impacted by that. People could still get it as part of plus while others who just wanted that could have it. It's not like it would hurt anyone else. Funny how people don't want somebody to have something even when it wouldn't impact them at all.

Because then eso plus ppl will become salty. ZOS is giving them this to make them feel special. Its all there is to it.

acw37162

People who make the game said it is for sell for the cost of a monthly subscription.

If it makes you feel better only pay it in pennies by snail because that's how you role.

Robbmrp

There are many pluses to having an unlimited crafting bag which should only be part of a monthly subscription IMO.

That said, I don't see any reason why there couldn't be an alternative crafting bag that could be bought with Crowns. Let someone buy a 25-100 slot crafting bag from the Crown Store. There could be a lot of people that would consider this a very wise investment for sure that just can't afford the monthly fee. I can't remember how much 10 spots are when you buy them with Crowns so the pricing should be reflected off the existing rate for the spots.

The best deal would be the larger number, but for anyone having issues with item management, any extra spots would help a ton.

I for one will stay with my unlimited bag. Just to give you an idea of it's worth to me, I had 115 of 200 items in my backback and went farming for over two hours straight. Prior to ESO+, I could only farm for 45 minutes before my inventory was full and had to return to town. Here I was at two hours and I only had 145 items in my backpack since anything gathered drops straight into the crafting bag.

Upon logon after I added ESO+, my bank inventory went from 240 to 110. I now have tons of room for my other armor that I was holding on my character.

ESO+ is definately an advantage and well worth the cost for me.

Acharnor

As a subscriber right now - if I could just buy it I would and probably cancel my sub again. Man, it is a great incentive though. Guess their strategy is working.

jaye63

I dont like online purchasing. I prefer to buy the cards from a store and then buying that way. And I would still have plus even if I had access to purchasing the bag outright. Im retired, this is my hobby and I dont see that changing ever.

However, having been a business owner, I can see ZOS' side of it. Think of 10 yr lifespan of the game and how much money would be lost if they released it. Of course there will always be those people that even if there wasnt much bonus to a sub, they would still subscribe. But those arent the dollars they look at. They look at how to get other dollars. And DLCs are an iffy proposition. Unless you NEED the DLC, you wont buy it. So it has to be marketed with the sub. And since you dont really NEED it, there has to be another draw. Right now, the bag is it.

So while we all WANT the bag released, unless they can find that bait item that gets you to a sub, it wont be.

Emma_Overload

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

If they made it 10,000 Crowns I would be fine with that.

Is your last name Buffett or Gates by any chance? Who the heck except a billionaire would think roughly $100 is a good price for a DLC?

NewBlacksmurf

Robbmrp wrote: »

There are many pluses to having an unlimited crafting bag which should only be part of a monthly subscription IMO.

That said, I don't see any reason why there couldn't be an alternative crafting bag that could be bought with Crowns. Let someone buy a 25-100 slot crafting bag from the Crown Store. There could be a lot of people that would consider this a very wise investment for sure that just can't afford the monthly fee. I can't remember how much 10 spots are when you buy them with Crowns so the pricing should be reflected off the existing rate for the spots.

The best deal would be the larger number, but for anyone having issues with item management, any extra spots would help a ton.

I for one will stay with my unlimited bag. Just to give you an idea of it's worth to me, I had 115 of 200 items in my backback and went farming for over two hours straight. Prior to ESO+, I could only farm for 45 minutes before my inventory was full and had to return to town. Here I was at two hours and I only had 145 items in my backpack since anything gathered drops straight into the crafting bag.

Upon logon after I added ESO+, my bank inventory went from 240 to 110. I now have tons of room for my other armor that I was holding on my character.

ESO+ is definately an advantage and well worth the cost for me.

I think 25-100 slots is too small but your logic is very ideal and exactly what should be made available.

Consider my earlier post about the assistants. They aren't 100% what NPC merchants and bankers offer but it's more than nothing. Again....they are a bit expensive however if the crafting bag was 500 slots. (It's the guild store size so ppl do create personal guilds for additional storage....I think this number makes sense but can be even extended to 750-1000 if you're going to charge 5k.

Forestd16b14_ESO

You do know the whole reason ZoS even added crafter bags to the game was to add more to ESO+ right ?

AlnilamE

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

There do need to be incentives to subscribe. Crafting bags are currently the largest one and are the main reason I keep my sub.

I completely disagree that a QoL improvement to the base game must only be accessible via a subscription.
There are a number of current incentives to subscribe but let's touch on what you and others are suggesting here.

If the main reason many are subscribing is for a crafting bag, would not it make better sense to sale the feature if there has to be real money tied to it outright In addition to if being offered with a sub.

See this is why I personally debate the mindsets that people must be enticed to keep subscribing. If the content has value and access to all added content is via a subscription then that alone meets the requirement. Content releases around every 90 days so if the content isn't valued enough for a subscription then that's a development issue.

A crafting bag, like a assistant banker or merchant is a very nice QoL feature that while 5k is a lot IMO, it's something I'd pay 2500-5k for.

If ZOS were to continue adding QoL features every 6 months as well as new content every 90 days, the two suffice as seperate real money decisions.

Now there are other discussions around ESO plus benefits that can be made but this one seeing how QoL things like motif, mounts, assistants and consumables do well in the crown store, and knowing everyone isn't going to sub or may sub here and there, the obvious long term decission is to offer it both as a sub and/or a crown purchase.

No reasons to take it off the sub but no reason not to charge for it outright either.

I will argue that if the Crafting bag ever stops being a subscription exclusive, it should be included in the base game rather than offered as a purchase, because that kind of QoL feature should be in the base game.

Alternatively, they could add more inventory and bank expansions both to the store and to the game via gold.

Personally, I like that the craft bags are an incentive to subscribe. I understand why you don't, but I think for every person like you, there are probably 3 who subscribed because of the bags, and that evens it out.

As for the subscription being worth it on its own because of the DLC access, I think it is when you start out, but I've subscribed since launch, with my crowns from the subscription, I have so far bought IC and Orsinium, any pets/costumes that I felt like buying and I still have 11,000 crowns left to buy the other DLCs whenever I get around to it. So without the crafting bags, I could stop subscribing tomorrow and still have the same access to the game I've had with a subscription, minus the crafting bag.

If they ever offer it as a crown store item, though, I will very likely just unsubscribe.

Defilted

Crafting bags are for ESO to promote subscriptions.

Seems like it would hurt the promotion of subscriptions if they sold the use of crafting bags on the crown store.

I personally do not care if they sold them. I have subbed since the game came out last year. Crafting bags being sold would not stop me from subbing but I bet it would hurt potential sub business in the future and they will loose some subs over it.

NewBlacksmurf

AlnilamE wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

There do need to be incentives to subscribe. Crafting bags are currently the largest one and are the main reason I keep my sub.

I completely disagree that a QoL improvement to the base game must only be accessible via a subscription.
There are a number of current incentives to subscribe but let's touch on what you and others are suggesting here.

If the main reason many are subscribing is for a crafting bag, would not it make better sense to sale the feature if there has to be real money tied to it outright In addition to if being offered with a sub.

See this is why I personally debate the mindsets that people must be enticed to keep subscribing. If the content has value and access to all added content is via a subscription then that alone meets the requirement. Content releases around every 90 days so if the content isn't valued enough for a subscription then that's a development issue.

A crafting bag, like a assistant banker or merchant is a very nice QoL feature that while 5k is a lot IMO, it's something I'd pay 2500-5k for.

If ZOS were to continue adding QoL features every 6 months as well as new content every 90 days, the two suffice as seperate real money decisions.

Now there are other discussions around ESO plus benefits that can be made but this one seeing how QoL things like motif, mounts, assistants and consumables do well in the crown store, and knowing everyone isn't going to sub or may sub here and there, the obvious long term decission is to offer it both as a sub and/or a crown purchase.

No reasons to take it off the sub but no reason not to charge for it outright either.

I will argue that if the Crafting bag ever stops being a subscription exclusive, it should be included in the base game rather than offered as a purchase, because that kind of QoL feature should be in the base game.

Alternatively, they could add more inventory and bank expansions both to the store and to the game via gold.

Personally, I like that the craft bags are an incentive to subscribe. I understand why you don't, but I think for every person like you, there are probably 3 who subscribed because of the bags, and that evens it out.

As for the subscription being worth it on its own because of the DLC access, I think it is when you start out, but I've subscribed since launch, with my crowns from the subscription, I have so far bought IC and Orsinium, any pets/costumes that I felt like buying and I still have 11,000 crowns left to buy the other DLCs whenever I get around to it. So without the crafting bags, I could stop subscribing tomorrow and still have the same access to the game I've had with a subscription, minus the crafting bag.

If they ever offer it as a crown store item, though, I will very likely just unsubscribe.

@AlnilamE
It's already in the base game tho.
ZOS just chose to lock it to a sub....this the whole issue I've had since PTS on this.

It's already a base game update but adding items requires a sub.

AlnilamE

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

There do need to be incentives to subscribe. Crafting bags are currently the largest one and are the main reason I keep my sub.

I completely disagree that a QoL improvement to the base game must only be accessible via a subscription.
There are a number of current incentives to subscribe but let's touch on what you and others are suggesting here.

If the main reason many are subscribing is for a crafting bag, would not it make better sense to sale the feature if there has to be real money tied to it outright In addition to if being offered with a sub.

See this is why I personally debate the mindsets that people must be enticed to keep subscribing. If the content has value and access to all added content is via a subscription then that alone meets the requirement. Content releases around every 90 days so if the content isn't valued enough for a subscription then that's a development issue.

A crafting bag, like a assistant banker or merchant is a very nice QoL feature that while 5k is a lot IMO, it's something I'd pay 2500-5k for.

If ZOS were to continue adding QoL features every 6 months as well as new content every 90 days, the two suffice as seperate real money decisions.

Now there are other discussions around ESO plus benefits that can be made but this one seeing how QoL things like motif, mounts, assistants and consumables do well in the crown store, and knowing everyone isn't going to sub or may sub here and there, the obvious long term decission is to offer it both as a sub and/or a crown purchase.

No reasons to take it off the sub but no reason not to charge for it outright either.

I will argue that if the Crafting bag ever stops being a subscription exclusive, it should be included in the base game rather than offered as a purchase, because that kind of QoL feature should be in the base game.

Alternatively, they could add more inventory and bank expansions both to the store and to the game via gold.

Personally, I like that the craft bags are an incentive to subscribe. I understand why you don't, but I think for every person like you, there are probably 3 who subscribed because of the bags, and that evens it out.

As for the subscription being worth it on its own because of the DLC access, I think it is when you start out, but I've subscribed since launch, with my crowns from the subscription, I have so far bought IC and Orsinium, any pets/costumes that I felt like buying and I still have 11,000 crowns left to buy the other DLCs whenever I get around to it. So without the crafting bags, I could stop subscribing tomorrow and still have the same access to the game I've had with a subscription, minus the crafting bag.

If they ever offer it as a crown store item, though, I will very likely just unsubscribe.

@AlnilamE
It's already in the base game tho.
ZOS just chose to lock it to a sub....this the whole issue I've had since PTS on this.

It's already a base game update but adding items requires a sub.

I hope you understood that I meant "available to all players whether they sub or not".

Weren't you just complaining about people being too literal in another thread I was reading? :-P

nine9six

They stand to make more money with it being an ESO+ Perk than allowing you to buy it outright. $ over time.

I'm sure you would rather be able to buy it outright, as it would save you $ in the long run. $ now.


Knowing those two facts you can see why it's an ESO+ Perk and not a 1-time purchase.


1) Offer something they simply must have.

2) String them along.

3) Profit.

idk

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

I've been a sub for 8 months and I'd like to buy the bag outright.

Imagine how much £€$ ZOS would make if they made it say 5000 crowns to buy outright.
The sales would be through the roof and many subs would stay subbed, monthly crowns, all dlc, bonus exp/gold/research and costume dyes.

This view is short sighted. The intent is to encourage new subs and as such the quotes suggestion would fail to do that.

Zos made a business decision and will not be chancing their mind on this.

Care to elaborate on how only offering access as a sub is a good business decision?

I'm asking cause other than testing issues that are exclusive to Xbox one ESO plus, I won't sub at all even with the bag cause it's of no real benefit. I'd like to buy the bag but if it's just sub only.....guess who loses on additional revenue? ZOS cause I did buy the merchant and am considering the overpriced bank assistant as well.

Simply put, the crafting bag being exclusive to ESO+ is to encourage subscriptions and that why it's a good business decision. I guarantee the Devs are not the ones who made that choice. The money people ad Zos made that decision.

A subscriber adds more value regardless of whether they pay more or less. They lay a monthly ammmount and are a reliable source of revenue. The bag is the only real solid reason to sub. Most that are sub this month will be a sub next month.

Non subscribers are certainly not guaranteed to buy even one DLC. Some will never buy a DLC and many do not buy all DLCs. Very irregular revenue source.

Look at it this way, magazine advertising value and the value of yhe magazine itself is based heavily on subscriptions for the very same reason. Newsstand sales do not weigh much into its value.

Same holds true with ESO.

Tandor

Perhaps they should just add the crafting bag as an incredibly rare drop in the lockboxes !

/duck

rotaugen454

They should give everyone ONE free month of the craft bag.

"Pssst, hey kid. Try this. The first one is free....."

AntMan100673

I don't sub and probably never will as I prefer to buy crowns when they're on sale and then buy the dlc's. I would really like the crafting bag as a QoL item however I'm ok with it being exclusive to subs as the subs probably support the game more than ad hoc crown purchases. Without the crafting bag there's not much incentive for people to stay subbed as far as I can see. I'm hoping that in the future further incentives may be added to ESO+ for people to sub / stay subbed and then things like the crafting bag may get added to the crown store

idk

@Lucius_Aelius

First, few if any will read that book. Biggest wall of words I've seen in a long time.

Second, from what I did read, realism in a fantasy game, is the oddest thing I've read in awhile. In real life I cannot put a wall of fire on the ground or have a magical spear appear out of no where.

So, don't get the realism aspect. By thx.

idk

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

If they made it 10,000 Crowns I would be fine with that.

It will not happen for 100k crown. Zos has said as much. It will remain exclusive to ESO+.

Lucius_Aelius

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Lucius_Aelius

First, few if any will read that book. Biggest wall of words I've seen in a long time.

Second, from what I did read, realism in a fantasy game, is the oddest thing I've read in awhile. In real life I cannot put a wall of fire on the ground or have a magical spear appear out of no where.

So, don't get the realism aspect. By thx.

Yes that's a relatively long post but this is a message forum with people who are supposedly capable of having adult conversations, on at least one forum I used to post on that kind of post was par for the course. And frankly, lmao at that being a book, if you think that even jokingly then you need to read better books.

Anyhow, I maintain that there needs to be consistency within the established parameters of the game's reality, obviously with magic involved there's a lot of wiggle room but that's not an excuse for anything to be added or done regardless of what sense it does or doesn't make. If they added an airplane for example that wouldn't fit in the reality of this game world, and that's all I meant by realism, realistic according to the established laws of Nirn.

And the fact is that an infinite crafting bag violates any semblance of lore or realism based on this game's established reality, Elder Scrolls has always been a franchise that prided itself on realism in that regard, and throwing it out the window now is as such a mistake in my opinion. Again it's not a big deal all things considered, which is why I only mentioned it in passing, but I stand by my position. And while I respect your right to disagree, you can take your snide attitude elsewhere since it was entirely uncalled for in response to a well-crafted and thought out post that made a number of valid points.

Wolfpaw

Game has not been worth a sub (consoles), still isn't. Make your own guild bank, it has been more than enough for me.