People who never revive in pvp are annoying.

Ghettokid

I always revive everyone even if they are lvl10 and might not be huge help in battles. When I was lvl 30 and under I rarely got revived. Now I am cp430 and yes people revive me more often but not always. Like yesterday my whole group ran over me and nobody revived. Later some 30lvl guy who wasnt even in my group revived me. I've seen that small lvl guys revive much more often than cp501. And that does not make sense for me cause I am pretty sure than cp501 never run out of soul gems.

Also I have seen that those cats never revive anybody. Unlike the orcs who are honored people.

Lysette

Just a question - why would they have to?- Wouldn''t it be your job to care for your own needs?

Edit: forget about what I said, I didn't know that it works differently in PvP from PvE.

stevepdodson_ESO888

Lysette wrote: »

Just a question - why would they have to?- Wouldn''t it be your job to care for your own needs?

spoken like a true PvPer

Egonieser

If some people are purposefully standing under the oilpot and taking a hot shower, i will NOT rez them, they are a waste of time and a waste of a soulgem. If someone dies in combat, that is a different matter, i will try to pick them up ASAP. It all depends how people die. I personally will never waste soulgems on people who just waste them by being dumb. They can learn the hard way by galloping back from the nearest keep - gives them time to reflect - why they died, how did they die, and why did nobody rez them... I might just do it once or twice if the person truly looks like a newcomer (low rank/low level) - but if that seems to be a repeating problem, i will just ignore and move along - those kind of people are more often a burden than they are help, and only time and experience will educate them the hard way.

maboleth

That's one of the biggest differences between, say Trueflame and BWB. Reviving is the necessity for everyone's survival. People in Trueflame usually revive very fast and very often.

anitajoneb17_ESO

@Lysette : You don't PvP. You don't play in groups. I'm not assuming it : you said it yourself several times.
Therefore you have NO CLUE how reviving systems work in group instances or in PvP.
I value your opinion and posts in many threads, this one is just not for you.

Now for you information, in PvP death you cannot revive yourself on site. Best you can do on your own is to respawn at the nearest castle owned by your alliance - which can well be at the other end of the map - and Cyrodiil is BIG, believe me. When someone else revives you, you're on site and can go on fighting.

In group instances you simply cannot revive yourself until the fight is over. It's your groupmates job to revive you (and your job to revive them).

In both cases, reviving is a team thing.

@OP : yes selfish people who don't rezz plain suck. But you won't change them. Many people do rezz, though, even strangers and ungrouped people. At least on PC/EU, which seems to be a more friendly and mature place than other platforms, even in PvP.

Ghettokid

Lysette wrote: »

Just a question - why would they have to?- Wouldn''t it be your job to care for your own needs?

They dont have to. But if they are able to revive why dont they do that. Like I dont have to deliver scrolls to my alliance, I could deliver them for EP. But I dont cause I am not an a**

Lysette

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@Lysette : You don't PvP. You don't play in groups. I'am not assuming it : you said it yourself several times.
Therefore you have NO CLUE how reviving systems work in group instances or in PvP.
I value your opinion and posts in many threads, this one is just not for you.

Now for you information, in PvP death you cannot revive yourself on site. Best you can do on your own is to respawn at the nearest castle owned by your alliance - which can well be at the other end of the map - and Cyrodiil is BIG, believe me.

In group instances you cimply cannot revive yourself until the fight is over. IT's your groupmates job to revive you (and your job to revive them).

In both cases, reviving is a team thing.

Ah ok, I thought it works like with a normal PvE death - where you just press the revive button and it consumes a soul gem out of your own inventory - sorry, I didn't know that it is different in PvP.

Silver_Strider

I've run out of soul gems with the number of people I'm constantly reviving in PvP that I just don't even bother anymore, unless you're someone I know or at least in the same group as me.

Lysette

Ghettokid wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Just a question - why would they have to?- Wouldn''t it be your job to care for your own needs?

They dont have to. But if they are able to revive why dont they do that. Like I dont have to deliver scrolls to my alliance, I could deliver them for EP. But I dont cause I am not an a**

Yes sorry, I did not know that it is different from how it works in PvE. I was of the opinion, that you could just press the revive button and consume your own soul gem. But now I see, that it is not the case in PvP. At least I learnt something, which I wouldn't have saying nothing.

Ghettokid

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@Lysette : You don't PvP. You don't play in groups. I'm not assuming it : you said it yourself several times.
Therefore you have NO CLUE how reviving systems work in group instances or in PvP.
I value your opinion and posts in many threads, this one is just not for you.

Now for you information, in PvP death you cannot revive yourself on site. Best you can do on your own is to respawn at the nearest castle owned by your alliance - which can well be at the other end of the map - and Cyrodiil is BIG, believe me. When someone else revives you, you're on site and can go on fighting.

In group instances you simply cannot revive yourself until the fight is over. It's your groupmates job to revive you (and your job to revive them).

In both cases, reviving is a team thing.

@OP : yes selfish people you don't rezz plain suck. But you won't change them. Many people do rezz, though, even strangers and ungrouped people. At least on PC/EU, which seems to be a more friendly and mature place than other platforms, even in PvP.

Well there is one type of people I wont revive. The ones who are chased by huge group of enemies and they run straight to the own alliance members who are hidden and then everyone dies.

mr1sho

Depends on the situation but sometimes some people need to just run back I seen battles where people just laying there waiting for a revive while the enemy was pushing hard with reinforcements when they could have just respawn and rejoin the fight

Ghettokid

Lysette wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Just a question - why would they have to?- Wouldn''t it be your job to care for your own needs?

They dont have to. But if they are able to revive why dont they do that. Like I dont have to deliver scrolls to my alliance, I could deliver them for EP. But I dont cause I am not an a**

Yes sorry, I did not know that it is different from how it works in PvE. I was of the opinion, that you could just press the revive button and consume your own soul gem. But now I see, that it is not the case in PvP. At least I learnt something, which I wouldn't have saying nothing.

Yeah no prob.

maboleth

Generally, rule no.1 don't think, revive.

Lysette

Now I wonder, how many might not know about this difference between PvP and PvE - is there a warning that it works differently, when you enter a PvP zone?- From where would they know that?

anitajoneb17_ESO

Lysette wrote: »

Ah ok, I thought it works like with a normal PvE death - where you just press the revive button and it consumes a soul gem out of your own inventory - sorry, I didn't know that it is different in PvP.

No problem ;-)

The reasoning behind it is that you die far more often in PvP than in PvE. Punishment for death in PvP cannot be gear repair cost => noone could possibly afford those. Therefore your gear doesn't suffer at all from a PvP death, but on the other hand, the "price" is to have to run back to battle (which in many cases means missing/loosing the battle). Unless you're revived by another player - which is risky for the reviver, costs him a soul gem, and is an entire part of the battle gameplay.

@Egonieser : I wonder how you find time in a middle of the battle to identify how other people died, you must be very experienced. My "policy" is to rezz everyone I can, as long as I can do it more or less safely and not risk adding my own death to the damage.

bottleofsyrup

I generally try to res as much as possible, especially on my Templar because she has three different boosts to resurrection speed, so I can revive pretty quickly. I tend to be a bit iffy about resing PUGs though because far too often they don't accept or deny their res and it prevents me from reviving other people until it times out. Very annoying.

RexyCat

Ghettokid wrote: »

I always revive everyone even if they are lvl10 and might not be huge help in battles. When I was lvl 30 and under I rarely got revived. Now I am cp430 and yes people revive me more often but not always. Like yesterday my whole group ran over me and nobody revived. Later some 30lvl guy who wasnt even in my group revived me. I've seen that small lvl guys revive much more often than cp501. And that does not make sense for me cause I am pretty sure than cp501 never run out of soul gems.

Also I have seen that those cats never revive anybody. Unlike the orcs who are honored people.

I think it is more complicated then some posters let on here in this thread.

First of all when you have enough of Skill Points you should have access to a "free" self resurrection from passives in Soul Summon and auto refill of empty Soul Gems (Soul Lock), which you find in World Magic. It might be that higher ranked CP player passing by dead player believes that you have access to Soul Summon and should be able to resurrect given enough time OOC.

Secondly it is not uncommon to use dead player as bait, just precisely for how time consuming it is to travel back from any keep/way shrine that still belong to your alliance and is not being attacked at the moment you want to resurrect. If there is a fight near such place you will not have any option then go back to your base making it a valuable resource to fight about which player that can be resurrected and need coordination, if it is a organized group around.

Gankers jumping out of stealth is another problem which make resurrecting a hazard, if you are solo/small group (and not have support from other player to watch your back).

In the end it also depends on what is going on in surrounding, like is there ranged (siege weapon) targeting area? Are you on purpose laying there to report about enemy movements? Being "dead" in PvP doesn't always mean wasted time on the ground and can be useful for several reason which make it hard to really know what is going on for a by passer.


On your comments for race, I would believe that most Orcs wear heavy armour of some kind as they have passives for it and can probably take more beating then a Khajiit.

Ghettokid

ecriteqeb17_ESO wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

I always revive everyone even if they are lvl10 and might not be huge help in battles. When I was lvl 30 and under I rarely got revived. Now I am cp430 and yes people revive me more often but not always. Like yesterday my whole group ran over me and nobody revived. Later some 30lvl guy who wasnt even in my group revived me. I've seen that small lvl guys revive much more often than cp501. And that does not make sense for me cause I am pretty sure than cp501 never run out of soul gems.

Also I have seen that those cats never revive anybody. Unlike the orcs who are honored people.

I think it is more complicated then some posters let on here in this thread.

First of all when you have enough of Skill Points you should have access to a "free" self resurrection from passives in Soul Summon and auto refill of empty Soul Gems (Soul Lock), which you find in World Magic. It might be that higher ranked CP player passing by dead player believes that you have access to Soul Summon and should be able to resurrect given enough time OOC.

Secondly it is not uncommon to use dead player as bait, just precisely for how time consuming it is to travel back from any keep/way shrine that still belong to your alliance and is not being attacked at the moment you want to resurrect. If there is a fight near such place you will not have any option then go back to your base making it a valuable resource to fight about which player that can be resurrected and need coordination, if it is a organized group around.

Gankers jumping out of stealth is another problem which make resurrecting a hazard, if you are solo/small group (and not have support from other player to watch your back).

In the end it also depends on what is going on in surrounding, like is there ranged (siege weapon) targeting area? Are you on purpose laying there to report about enemy movements? Being "dead" in PvP doesn't always mean wasted time on the ground and can be useful for several reason which make it hard to really know what is going on for a by passer.


On your comments for race, I would believe that most Orcs wear heavy armour of some kind as they have passives for it and can probably take more beating then a Khajiit.

You have many good facts and I understand if someone wont resurrect you right away if there are nb's or fight...
But btw soul summons does not work if you get killed by other player.

smacx250

I pretty much rezz anyone who is down - except if the fight is right next to an un-flagged keep and it would take like 30s for them to get back in the fight. Half of those players seem to be afk anyway - please respawn after death if you are going afk!

BruhItsOver9000

i always forget to buy soul gems, if i see a dead player, i just block and use the sorry emote, but it never works.
It just makes them mad.

Lucius_Aelius

I'm a Tank on all my characters so it's pretty much my job to revive people, that being said if I was a glass cannon I'd still do it (though I wouldn't take as many risks doing so as I do on my Tanks, who can take a fair amount of punishment while reviving that others would die from). I agree that it drives me crazy when people don't revive their teammates, this is a team game and lack of cooperation is the surest possible way to fail (apart from failing intentionally or just sucking really badly).

And yeah I get up anyone no matter their level, and these days I make it a priority to never run out of Gems. If a low level and high level player are both down I'll get the higher level guy first, but I'll still get the other guy even if I risk dying to do so, it's very satisfying to pull off a revive in the thick of battle while enemies all around you are trying to stop you and kill you.

Waseem

we're in 3 factions already, it sucks that there are others factions inside those factions

pod88kk

I think the worst part of reviving random is when you res them and then die and they just run off and leave you there.

mb10

I know thats sucks. Im 501cp former emporer and people still dont revive sometimes so i dont think its about your title or anything its just selfish people.

I guarantee its the same people who never use siege weapons when attacking a keep.

Its a battle at the end of the day. I cannot understand not reviving someone who WILL help in some sort of way. Ill revive a level 10 any day of the week some of the non cp players are a lot better than cp players you know. Ofc they have alts but shouldnt disrespect them.

Mayrael

I ress everyone I can, (unless hes rly dumb like "I will stay in rain of arrows trying to shoot somebody on the wall, even if i died 3 times and didnt kill anyone") mostly because when there is a XvX fight each,. even unexperienced player matters, as he takes some focus out of me some way, these days PvP is all about numbers.

Vindemiatrix

I res anyone I can. That 1 player could tip the balance of the battle in your favor at any given moment, no matter their level. I do wish there was an option to cancel a res attempt if it doesn't get used. I hate that people might think I'm being a jerk standing over them and not ressing them when in fact I have a res pending for extended time and can't do another. It's not always by someone who went afk on purpose when they died, either. People get stuck in random loading screens. A lot in Cyrodiil. People drop connection because of server issues or internet instability. A lot of times, that's why they died to begin with.

Izaki

Gotta love that moment when there's this one guy fighting 10 zerglings who left their group to chase that 1 guy. Those zerglings instead of reviving as they see their dead friends, they will choose to beat on that player who's 1vXing. As if 10 on one guy were not enough

Funny thing usually most of those 10 zerglings end up dead because they didn't revive. I like it this way (usually I end up dead too though, its hard to take the stacking of 10 Poison Injections)

Caza99

There's 2 reasons I am reluctant to res randoms:
1. If they are afk and don't accept the res, I can't res anyone until it times out or they finally accept it
2. Often times resing people will mean I will die in the process if no one is healing me. So if I die in the middle of a res, that's 2 people down for no reason.

Also I flat out refuse to res people who repeatedly die in oils at front doors or inner breaches. I ain't wasting my soul gem on that.

Rohamad_Ali

I revive everyone . The good bad and ugly doesn't matter . Always a free Rez here until the gems run out . I drop camps too when I can afford .

GreenhaloX

Oh man.. you still get killed at CP 501. I'm 501 and sometimes I get revived and sometimes I don't. I think maybe those times I don't get revived was when the heat of battle has just passed, but the group is still going and chasing after the other pact's stragglers who were retreating. So, with so many deaths bunched up in the same area, and the others are rushing onward in the chase, I may have gotten overlooked. I'm just trying to give a little bit of credit as it could be warranted. I do, however, revive other (friendly) deaths any chance I get, but I may have also overlooked a death here and there, from being part of the chase after the retreaters.