#BringBackChillrend2016

Rylana

Beating a dead horse

With a couple of major guilds deciding to roll onto Haderus, the populations have horribly imbalanced again.

We badly need a third CP campaign. FFS @ZOS_BrianWheeler just add it already.

We need this. Some guilds cant even go anywhere for PvP because of this, its just getting silly. three campaigns always worked better than two.

Even better add back Thorn and Chill together (second 30 day cp, and a 7 day non cp)

Uncle Sheo

Rylana wrote: »

Beating a dead horse

With a couple of major guilds deciding to roll onto Haderus, the populations have horribly imbalanced again.

We badly need a third CP campaign. FFS @ZOS_BrianWheeler just add it already.

We need this. Some guilds cant even go anywhere for PvP because of this, its just getting silly. three campaigns always worked better than two.

Even better add back Thorn and Chill together (second 30 day cp, and a 7 day non cp)

We do have a 2nd 30 day campaign. Its called Azura's Star. You played in it remember? It's not @ZOS_BrianWheeler 's job to appease you because you can't compete in the alternative.

Cypriot122

Is this your formal announcement that you're quitting just because you can't find an enjoyable place to pvp?
I had an enjoyable time in Azuras with you, all the *** talking, all the love and all that juicy AP your group liked to give.

susmitds

Just wait for the DC zerg to get kicked out from Haderus. Not just EP, a good deal of AD players are also going to retake it.

Psilent

The lag on Trueflame NA PC has been very good. Highest I've experienced since the last major patch has been around 200.

Most campaigns aren't even pop locked most of the day, so we'd end up with more one sided maps if we added another campaign.

KenaPKK

Adding another campaign will only make populations more imbalanced as each faction tries to avoid the imbalance of the others. Haderus had a crap ton of AD on it yesterday. It felt great aside from the night cap the night before.

"Ugh, EP owns X server, let's just go to Y."

Meanwhile EP is all like "ugh DC owns Y server, I'm staying on X."

Rylana

Has nothing to do with the azuras population, that campaign doesnt support our guild like it could. As you said before Sippy cup, we are too coordinated to be stomping the pugs there, and your group is too small to fight us, so we might as well not be there.

it seriously isnt competitive at all, we either completely dominate everything we touch, or are completely factionstack overwhelmed by sheer numbers. There has never been a middle ground of good fights, its been either extreme. Therefore boring and underwhelming, I actually hoped for better really.

Its the fact that because of population movements outside of our control, there is quite literally nowhere else we can go, if we expect any kind of actual PvP to happen, we are effectively trapped.

This should not be the case. Personally I am tired of farming you guys and getting bitched at for "outnumbering", as well as tired of feeling bored because you can only wipe zergs of 50 bad AD with oils so many times before it just becomes tedious.

Good AP =/= fun fights. While I personally may have gone from First Sergeant to Centurion on my new templar (about 5 million AP) just on that one character, most of that came from just waves of bads getting rekt, which really was just grinding for the sake of it. Not competitive.

So we want to find better competition than you can provide. Azuras is not up to our level. If anything, we weakened as a guild fighting there.

Unfortunately, because of a massive EP guild moving to Haderus and completely imbalancing the campaign for EP, our only alternative is Trueflame, which in primetime can exclude several members of the guild whos computers cannot handle the lag or FPS issues inherent to that many people blobbed up.

Now, I am sure it is some comfort to you and your little buddy Sheo to claim we left because we couldnt compete. What is really true, is Azuras couldnt compete with us and we got bored of it, and really didnt want to be there after about 2 weeks of it. We even took days off to do trials and crap because it was that boring.

Azuras = not competitive, its just hordes of bodies being thrown at each other being eaten alive by anything remotely organized. The organized rarely encounter each other, and when they do, they are normally by themselves vs the other side with a zerg of the bads accompanying them. This you cant deny mate, and you know you cant.

You dont have enough members to gvg us, all that ever leads to is either me excluding half the guild from pvp, or you crying about the size of our groups. Therefore, true organized competition becomes impossible except for a fraction of the guild.

Therefore we decided to leave. We might have to come back though, due to the lack of literally anywhere else viable to go. I dont want to be there, most of us dont, so I am looking to Zenimax to potentially provide yet another alternative, where perhaps we can find more competitive guilds with CP coming off of trueflame where we cannot really play due to technical concerns, to a less laggy environment with better population balance than Haderus.

Consider your snark fully debunked.

KisoValley

KenaPKK wrote: »

Adding another campaign will only make populations more imbalanced as each faction tries to avoid the imbalance of the others. Haderus had a crap ton of AD on it yesterday. It felt great aside from the night cap the night before.

"Ugh, EP owns X server, let's just go to Y."

Meanwhile EP is all like "ugh DC owns Y server, I'm staying on X."

This.

Serjustin19

Uncle Sheo wrote: »

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Rylana wrote: »

Beating a dead horse

With a couple of major guilds deciding to roll onto Haderus, the populations have horribly imbalanced again.

We badly need a third CP campaign. FFS @ZOS_BrianWheeler just add it already.

We need this. Some guilds cant even go anywhere for PvP because of this, its just getting silly. three campaigns always worked better than two.

Even better add back Thorn and Chill together (second 30 day cp, and a 7 day non cp)

We do have a 2nd 30 day campaign. Its called Azura's Star. You played in it remember? It's not @ZOS_BrianWheeler 's job to appease you because you can't compete in the alternative.

I believe OP meant. Let Chill come back. True that Azura is a 30 day campaign. However Azura star is now a no CP Campaign. With Chillrend coming back. It will add another 30 day campaign. But with CP.

However. I'm on PS4 EU. Chillrend was always popular 30 day campaign. But Sadly Chillrend got deleted after Scourge. A very unpopular campain (My favorite Campaign. Will always be) became deleted by accident. But came back 2 more weeks. Then Chill got deleted for good. I still feel bad for Chill PvPers on PS4 EU.


However what is odd. I to also tried NA server on PS4. 4 months ago. PS4 NA still has Chillrend at the time. Not sure if it does now. I written a forum sbout this. Others said. That us PvPer's on EU. Don't have much PvPer's. Way less than the PS4 NA.

But you are correct Azura is a 30 day campaign. But with no CP. (Used to be a CP Campaign however.)

Sallington

I'm still holding out hope for servers actually being able to handle the "hundreds of players on screen at once" promise from launch, instead of needing to spread everyone out over 100 campaigns. I just want one gigantic war of a campaign. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK!?!?!

IxSTALKERxI

EP needs a more organised oceanic presence on trueflame if you know anyone that plays during that time that can run groups.

Can't really open new campaigns unless they lower the maximum pop cap by 20% or add some form of dynamic population caps.

Minno

They should do the following:
- set IC to locked on all camps.
- disable all CP in PvP.
- balance classes for battlegrounds.

Then see if we need to add new camps.

Serjustin19

Minno wrote: »

They should do the following:
- set IC to locked on all camps.
- disable all CP in PvP.
- balance classes for battlegrounds.

Then see if we need to add new camps.

I agree with this. However. I love CP. But I also wouldn't mind the change of having no CP also. Maybe on IC. IC was orginally supposed to be locked.

When IC came out. Must have keeps to go in. But I heard the decision was changed. Like how IC is now. Availble to everyone. Balance class. Yes.

However. If these changes were I applied. I beleiev most of PvPers will leave. In resulting way fewer Campaigns. Even more so. You have a valid point however.

Minno

Serjustin19 wrote: »

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Minno wrote: »

They should do the following:
- set IC to locked on all camps.
- disable all CP in PvP.
- balance classes for battlegrounds.

Then see if we need to add new camps.

I agree with this. However. I love CP. But I also wouldn't mind the change of having no CP also. Maybe on IC. IC was orginally supposed to be locked.

When IC came out. Must have keeps to go in. But I heard the decision was changed. Like how IC is now. Availble to everyone. Balance class. Yes.

However. If these changes were I applied. I beleiev most of PvPers will leave. In resulting way fewer Campaigns. Even more so. You have a valid point however.

Well the argument against CP was that balance would be harder to keep in check (if they left it increasing).

IC should have a mechanic to enter. Or be open but be tied to the cyro score with another emp style mechanic. It's to promote endless momentum in PvP; right now it's the same locations and targets which is promoting stale play.

I love what CP can bring, but it's too centered on Dmg dealing or dmg mitigation. Removing it forces sustain into your playstyle, which is fun since ZOS provided tools for each class to regen resources in unique ways.

Overall I'd say people would be pissed about CP disabling, but I think it would be great for the health of the game for PvP. People would be pissed because they would have to regear, but tbh welcome to RPG's. If you want simpler games, FPS is the genre for you .

Armitas

#Dawnbreaker

Dreyloch

Everyone seemed to think Azura's was what they wanted. Turns out it's only good for the newer players and only challenging to the advanced players IF there are other advanced groups to fight.

Personally I've always hated Azura's. For all those saying it's a more balanced fighting style? If you make one mistake your dead because you didn't eagle-eye your resources and micro manage it to insanity?

I say you all don't truly recall what 1.5 and before was like. Things worked much better because the resource pools were way smaller. Because the stam regen on blocking worked correctly, because there was no power creep associated with CP's. I'm pretty sure there were no monster gear sets either. (my memory is fuzzy on when those came into play)

You could play a magicka DK in full cloth and still do pretty well. You could use heavy armor and not have to worry about running out of stam because you dodge rolled once and held your block up for more than 3 seconds. But you'd still hit like a wet noodle as it should be.

Basically, what I'm saying is, Azura's is nice, but it's truly not the same. I think the experiment is over and BB should allow all levels and disable CP's "there". Covert Azura's back to full CP's and maybe the problem is solved. PvP should be tough to get into. I honestly don't care if little johnny doesn't have the levels or CP to fight me. Work on it, and come back when your ready. That's what I had to do, along with tons of other people still playing this game. There shouldn't be a level cap on the high end of BB, maybe they need to raise the level 10 requirement on the low end! Should be no problem to start at 25, or even 30. Lord knows it only takes a couple hours to get that level now anyway...

NBrookus

With EP moving in huge numbers to Haderus, and Telel's group also moving to Haderus (at least for a while), I have to wonder if Haderus is about to become more laggy than TF.

Magus

NBrookus wrote: »

With EP moving in huge numbers to Haderus, and Telel's group also moving to Haderus (at least for a while), I have to wonder if Haderus is about to become more laggy than TF.

One of two things is going to happen. AD and DC won't be organized and have groups large enough to handle the faction stacking EP does. AD and DC will then double team EP. There will be a daily dethrone after EP nightcaps it every night.

Second option, AD and DC are able to run group large enough and farm the crap out of these EP who will be without the protection of haxus and invictus to hold their hands.