Skimmed through the video
You aren't doing aoe dps on the trash mobs, spamming light attack on single mobs is not good at all in that situation. On the boss you aren't stacking dots and then spamming. Just volley with jabs at most, but that's fine I guess for a silver dungeon.
But one of your dps got caught in the fire on the bridge. Group up and run together so no one gets caught in it.
I only watched the last fight but:
- DPS stood in stupid and died in 5 seconds.
- Healer stood in stupid and then held block without healing anything until dead.
- You waited forever to get the healer back up and didn't buff your defenses before attempting the rez.
I'm sure there were other problems, but it looked like a standard inexperienced PUG to me.
redspecter23 wrote: »2. The wraith boss has a powerful attack and he's been known to one shot people out of nowhere. He just does that sort of thing.
From what I saw there were quite a few things that caused the issue, it wasn't just one person, it was the whole group.
1- Donte(you maybe?) ran the first half of the group with no food buff. Was too busy worrying about putting DPS stats in chat, talking to someone outside the dungeon and looting than making sure all enemies were dead first and then doing such.
2- Inexperienced Tank maybe who isn't rezzing while lone healer was trying to keep him alive. DPS got one shotted at the first of the fight.
3- Pulling things when people aren't ready. Last boss fought clearly the healer wasn't ready as they were immediately wiped.
4- Whole group not experienced with the dungeon mechanics.
Things everyone could have done better:
1- Had more health, it's hard to survive one shots in dungeons with less than 21k health unless your perma-blocking and casting or have a shield up at all times.
2- Kill everything before looting.
3- Stop worrying about DPS on anything other than main boss fights and only after everything's dead. What good does it do to post your DPS half way through clearing the mobs.
4- Everyone should help Rez other players. It's not a 1 person job. If there's just 2 people left and ones a healer, the non healer needs to rez others so the healer can keep them alive.
All of those things will help everyone contribute to a successful dungeon run.
From what I saw there were quite a few things that caused the issue, it wasn't just one person, it was the whole group.
1- Donte(you maybe?) ran the first half of the group with no food buff. Was too busy worrying about putting DPS stats in chat, talking to someone outside the dungeon and looting than making sure all enemies were dead first and then doing such.
2- Inexperienced Tank maybe who isn't rezzing while lone healer was trying to keep him alive. DPS got one shotted at the first of the fight.
3- Pulling things when people aren't ready. Last boss fought clearly the healer wasn't ready as they were immediately wiped.
4- Whole group not experienced with the dungeon mechanics.
Things everyone could have done better:
1- Had more health, it's hard to survive one shots in dungeons with less than 21k health unless your perma-blocking and casting or have a shield up at all times.
2- Kill everything before looting.
3- Stop worrying about DPS on anything other than main boss fights and only after everything's dead. What good does it do to post your DPS half way through clearing the mobs.
4- Everyone should help Rez other players. It's not a 1 person job. If there's just 2 people left and ones a healer, the non healer needs to rez others so the healer can keep them alive.
All of those things will help everyone contribute to a successful dungeon run.
Ok you got me I should NOT be picking up loot before all mobs are dead. Also the other dps asked me to compare dps during the dungeon time in order to test their build.
DocFrost72 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »2. The wraith boss has a powerful attack and he's been known to one shot people out of nowhere. He just does that sort of thing.
The first boss in VoM links a beam to one person, and that person takes all his damage instead. When he links, cease dps and heal up.
DocFrost72 wrote: »Going to be brutally honest. Skip to the TL;DR to avoid hard feelings (it will be bolder so as not to miss it).
Okay, first things first, this is not skyrim. Light and heavy attacking have their place, but it is not in 4 man content, at least not in the way the DPS shown here used it. In ESO you have the ability and, maybe not with normal dungeons but CERTAINLY in vet dungeons and beyond, expectation to be spamming abilities.
Now, to break down what each person did wrong.
DPS- Your goal in life is to kill mobs as quick as possible. That means picking the right moves in the right situations to really burn down the baddies. Forget light attacks, for now. Weaving them in is certainly a thing, and is useful, but DPS need to be using other moves often.
In AoE situations, try using things like cleave, whirlwind, wall of elements, anything that when activated makes a circle or cone of damage. That way you're hitting more mobs at once. While you might be able to kill one mob in say, 10 seconds, you can kill up to 6 mobs in 15 seconds just by doing this.
Next; red is bad, M'kay. Never stand in red circles. Block when you see white lines coming from your opponents. Bash (block and then light attack, while still blocking) when you see red lines coming from your opponents. These things alone will make a WORLD of difference for your healer.
Speaking of the healer;
Heals- Healers need to be healing. The only time they should stop healing is when they have the group to full health and need recovery. This is when they typically heavy attack or in extreme cases, drink a potion. Healers should have a variety of ways to heal the party, not just one.
Some good ideas for the healer to try are; wearing seven light, or six light and one heavy (armor). The light helps you deal with magicka, the heavy keeps you alive if you make a mistake. Try to have things like rapid regen, which heal automatically for you, but also have things like grand healing, or even the ward from the healing line to add burst heals. Burst heals are your "Oh sh%*!" Heals, and are really strong.
Lastly, didn't watch the boss fights, but one thing the tank can do is work on keeping trash together and taunted. Using the first ability from the sword and board tree will taunt enemies to you, and it works on multiple enemies. If a couple mobs break off and engage your healer or ranged DPS, go ahead and scoop them back up. The less pressure your team has on them, the better they perform.
TL;DR: You need more practice, and a bit of patience if you want dungeons in ESO to run smoothly.
redspecter23 wrote: »Just skimming the video. If you want my opinion...
1. Your dps is low. Very low. Having a dps competition with that other guy where the top aoe number was around 10k, is a bit silly. 50 - 60k for those fights is about the point you might want to start bragging. Even then, aoe dps numbers don't mean much. 10k single target is what you should be aiming for as a bare minimum with 15k being a notable goal for newer players. 25k+ single target is where you might consider bragging slightly.
2. The wraith boss has a powerful attack and he's been known to one shot people out of nowhere. He just does that sort of thing.
3. You do an awful lot of standing around. Repositioning, roll dodging, etc. Stand your ground and jab those packs of mobs to death. Your healer will thank you for that instead of all those light attacks.
Apologies if it sounds harsh, but you asked and that's my take on it.
redspecter23 wrote: »Just skimming the video. If you want my opinion...
1. Your dps is low. Very low. Having a dps competition with that other guy where the top aoe number was around 10k, is a bit silly. 50 - 60k for those fights is about the point you might want to start bragging. Even then, aoe dps numbers don't mean much. 10k single target is what you should be aiming for as a bare minimum with 15k being a notable goal for newer players. 25k+ single target is where you might consider bragging slightly.
2. The wraith boss has a powerful attack and he's been known to one shot people out of nowhere. He just does that sort of thing.
3. You do an awful lot of standing around. Repositioning, roll dodging, etc. Stand your ground and jab those packs of mobs to death. Your healer will thank you for that instead of all those light attacks.
Apologies if it sounds harsh, but you asked and that's my take on it.
How can I increase my DPS?
redspecter23 wrote: »Just skimming the video. If you want my opinion...
1. Your dps is low. Very low. Having a dps competition with that other guy where the top aoe number was around 10k, is a bit silly. 50 - 60k for those fights is about the point you might want to start bragging. Even then, aoe dps numbers don't mean much. 10k single target is what you should be aiming for as a bare minimum with 15k being a notable goal for newer players. 25k+ single target is where you might consider bragging slightly.
2. The wraith boss has a powerful attack and he's been known to one shot people out of nowhere. He just does that sort of thing.
3. You do an awful lot of standing around. Repositioning, roll dodging, etc. Stand your ground and jab those packs of mobs to death. Your healer will thank you for that instead of all those light attacks.
Apologies if it sounds harsh, but you asked and that's my take on it.
How can I increase my DPS?
redspecter23 wrote: »Just skimming the video. If you want my opinion...
1. Your dps is low. Very low. Having a dps competition with that other guy where the top aoe number was around 10k, is a bit silly. 50 - 60k for those fights is about the point you might want to start bragging. Even then, aoe dps numbers don't mean much. 10k single target is what you should be aiming for as a bare minimum with 15k being a notable goal for newer players. 25k+ single target is where you might consider bragging slightly.
2. The wraith boss has a powerful attack and he's been known to one shot people out of nowhere. He just does that sort of thing.
3. You do an awful lot of standing around. Repositioning, roll dodging, etc. Stand your ground and jab those packs of mobs to death. Your healer will thank you for that instead of all those light attacks.
Apologies if it sounds harsh, but you asked and that's my take on it.
How can I increase my DPS?
What sets are you using and what jewelry? What enchants do you have on your armor/weapons/jewelry? Also what Mundus stone are you using?
Hey guys can you skip toredspecter23 wrote: »Just skimming the video. If you want my opinion...
1. Your dps is low. Very low. Having a dps competition with that other guy where the top aoe number was around 10k, is a bit silly. 50 - 60k for those fights is about the point you might want to start bragging. Even then, aoe dps numbers don't mean much. 10k single target is what you should be aiming for as a bare minimum with 15k being a notable goal for newer players. 25k+ single target is where you might consider bragging slightly.
2. The wraith boss has a powerful attack and he's been known to one shot people out of nowhere. He just does that sort of thing.
3. You do an awful lot of standing around. Repositioning, roll dodging, etc. Stand your ground and jab those packs of mobs to death. Your healer will thank you for that instead of all those light attacks.
Apologies if it sounds harsh, but you asked and that's my take on it.
How can I increase my DPS?
What sets are you using and what jewelry? What enchants do you have on your armor/weapons/jewelry? Also what Mundus stone are you using?
The usual basic starter, Dregh King(two weap dmg, 1 stam recov), Huding Rage(all stam), Kena(all stam)...
Hey guys can you skip toredspecter23 wrote: »Just skimming the video. If you want my opinion...
1. Your dps is low. Very low. Having a dps competition with that other guy where the top aoe number was around 10k, is a bit silly. 50 - 60k for those fights is about the point you might want to start bragging. Even then, aoe dps numbers don't mean much. 10k single target is what you should be aiming for as a bare minimum with 15k being a notable goal for newer players. 25k+ single target is where you might consider bragging slightly.
2. The wraith boss has a powerful attack and he's been known to one shot people out of nowhere. He just does that sort of thing.
3. You do an awful lot of standing around. Repositioning, roll dodging, etc. Stand your ground and jab those packs of mobs to death. Your healer will thank you for that instead of all those light attacks.
Apologies if it sounds harsh, but you asked and that's my take on it.
How can I increase my DPS?
What sets are you using and what jewelry? What enchants do you have on your armor/weapons/jewelry? Also what Mundus stone are you using?
The usual basic starter, Dregh King(two weap dmg, 1 stam recov), Huding Rage(all stam), Kena(all stam)...
Sounds like gear isn't a problem unless it's green or blue. If it is upgrade it to purple at least for dungeons.
timidobserver wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »Just skimming the video. If you want my opinion...
1. Your dps is low. Very low. Having a dps competition with that other guy where the top aoe number was around 10k, is a bit silly. 50 - 60k for those fights is about the point you might want to start bragging. Even then, aoe dps numbers don't mean much. 10k single target is what you should be aiming for as a bare minimum with 15k being a notable goal for newer players. 25k+ single target is where you might consider bragging slightly.
2. The wraith boss has a powerful attack and he's been known to one shot people out of nowhere. He just does that sort of thing.
3. You do an awful lot of standing around. Repositioning, roll dodging, etc. Stand your ground and jab those packs of mobs to death. Your healer will thank you for that instead of all those light attacks.
Apologies if it sounds harsh, but you asked and that's my take on it.
How can I increase my DPS?
You have an uphill battle. Of all classes Templar is worst for stamina DPS. Refine your dps rotation. It seems to consist mostly of light attacking and looting(I only watched about 30 seconds of the video.)
Please watch the video and tell me exactly what made the party fail.
I have my ideas on why it did however I want to make sure my biases are checked. Some may claim me being an A-hole in the party was the cause. Although I do think it had a minor role in it, I don't think that was truly the real problem.
Please help me find what the problem was thank you guys and girls!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS_yJ6h5Caw
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