The "real" mag-blade
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Mricci1988
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Good afternoon y’all!!
Matthew here with a new base build! The real “Mag”-blade
The inspiration came from being able to play my nightblade in melee as a DPS using magicka rather than the typical stamina build.
*Notice* this is not a min-max build but is to allow you the ability to have fun while pushing respectable DPS
And so we begin…
Race: Breton preferred (Magicka recovery & cost reduction assists us in a PVE scenario since our primary spammable costs so damn much)
Attributes: 64/0/0
Class: Clearly Nightblade
Mundus: Thief
Gear:
After reviewing this I have decided to forego the need for Kena…I decided that Magicka Recovery might be necessary due to the high cost of our main spammable mixed with our ability to light attack weave and no Heavy Attack recovery.
Best set WOULD be perfect divines Scathing Mage as it would act as a 2-in-1 as a mild kena substitute but that is hard grinding...where Julianos is easier to craft deck out and has 100% uptime.
Head: Julianos Divines
Shoulders: Julianos Divines
Chest: Julianos Divines
Hands: Julianos Divines
Waist: Julianos Divines
Legs: Seducer Divines
Feet: Seducer Divines
Finger 1: Willpower
Finger 2: Willpower
Neck: Willpower
Weapon Slot 1: Seducers Sword
Weapon Slot 2: Seducers Sword
Weapon Slot 3: Torgus Pact Sword
Weapon Slot 4: Torgus Pact Sword
Bar 1 (DPS Bar): Twisting Path, Cripple, Concealed Weapon, Impale, Grim Focus (Dawnbreaker of Smiting)
Bar 2 (AoE / Buff): Twisting Path, Siphoning Strikes, Sap Essence, Dark Shades, Proxy Det (Soul Harvest)
Summary:
5 Julianos for the crit and 100% uptime of the 5 peice bonus is what is most attractive to me. Because of the higher cost and general faster weaving needed by being in melee range magicka recovery even with Siphoning is important...I felt that the 129 spell damage by torgus pact on main bar is not as important as the extra recovery and max magicka needed in order to spam and maintain.
By going Dual Weild both bars I maintain extra twinblade and blunt bonus at all times, I am free to spam concealed weapon and maintain high DPS dots single target…further more by being in melee range I allow myself to light attack leave easily increasing my DPS and being able to proc Grim Focus.
My AoE / Buff bar by starting the fight with S. Entropy moving into Twisting Path and Proxy Det allows me to pressure high burst AoE DPS and maintaining financial costs.
This is more to play a “battlemage”….it incorporates the essence of magicka…while making it feel more warrior like.
In DND / TES games I always liked being the heavy armor wearing badass with a BIG weapon and casting spells or enhancing my melee warrior abilities.
Problem is in MMO’s you cannot have that…this build somewhat gives you the opportunity.
Yes I understand that it is not a min max build…I understand that you cannot achieve massive numbers…but you can with a competent group manage all content currently while having fun.
You can have a few flex spots as needed:
Example on Bar 1 replace Twisting Path with Lotus fan to get in and get back into melee range as needed instead of double baring it….more utility as you see fit.
Enjoy!!
Matthew here with a new base build! The real “Mag”-blade
The inspiration came from being able to play my nightblade in melee as a DPS using magicka rather than the typical stamina build.
*Notice* this is not a min-max build but is to allow you the ability to have fun while pushing respectable DPS
And so we begin…
Race: Breton preferred (Magicka recovery & cost reduction assists us in a PVE scenario since our primary spammable costs so damn much)
Attributes: 64/0/0
Class: Clearly Nightblade
Mundus: Thief
Gear:
After reviewing this I have decided to forego the need for Kena…I decided that Magicka Recovery might be necessary due to the high cost of our main spammable mixed with our ability to light attack weave and no Heavy Attack recovery.
Best set WOULD be perfect divines Scathing Mage as it would act as a 2-in-1 as a mild kena substitute but that is hard grinding...where Julianos is easier to craft deck out and has 100% uptime.
Head: Julianos Divines
Shoulders: Julianos Divines
Chest: Julianos Divines
Hands: Julianos Divines
Waist: Julianos Divines
Legs: Seducer Divines
Feet: Seducer Divines
Finger 1: Willpower
Finger 2: Willpower
Neck: Willpower
Weapon Slot 1: Seducers Sword
Weapon Slot 2: Seducers Sword
Weapon Slot 3: Torgus Pact Sword
Weapon Slot 4: Torgus Pact Sword
Bar 1 (DPS Bar): Twisting Path, Cripple, Concealed Weapon, Impale, Grim Focus (Dawnbreaker of Smiting)
Bar 2 (AoE / Buff): Twisting Path, Siphoning Strikes, Sap Essence, Dark Shades, Proxy Det (Soul Harvest)
Summary:
5 Julianos for the crit and 100% uptime of the 5 peice bonus is what is most attractive to me. Because of the higher cost and general faster weaving needed by being in melee range magicka recovery even with Siphoning is important...I felt that the 129 spell damage by torgus pact on main bar is not as important as the extra recovery and max magicka needed in order to spam and maintain.
By going Dual Weild both bars I maintain extra twinblade and blunt bonus at all times, I am free to spam concealed weapon and maintain high DPS dots single target…further more by being in melee range I allow myself to light attack leave easily increasing my DPS and being able to proc Grim Focus.
My AoE / Buff bar by starting the fight with S. Entropy moving into Twisting Path and Proxy Det allows me to pressure high burst AoE DPS and maintaining financial costs.
This is more to play a “battlemage”….it incorporates the essence of magicka…while making it feel more warrior like.
In DND / TES games I always liked being the heavy armor wearing badass with a BIG weapon and casting spells or enhancing my melee warrior abilities.
Problem is in MMO’s you cannot have that…this build somewhat gives you the opportunity.
Yes I understand that it is not a min max build…I understand that you cannot achieve massive numbers…but you can with a competent group manage all content currently while having fun.
You can have a few flex spots as needed:
Example on Bar 1 replace Twisting Path with Lotus fan to get in and get back into melee range as needed instead of double baring it….more utility as you see fit.
Enjoy!!
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Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't know much about your class but I'm far more afraid of siphoning nightblades than stamina nightblades.0 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Switch out shades for guard or rearming trap,unless your running necropotence set. And proxy det isn't what it used to be unless your doing huge trash pulls.Edited by Mojmir on August 22, 2016 1:19AM0 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mricci1988 wrote: »Also is Proxy Det that bad now even though it stacks with % of mobs around?
That's what I mean,unless it's wayrest or a helra, you need a lot of mobs to really make it worth keeping on your bar.
I run a dunmer nb with this,it's quite effective and sustainable.
Bar 1: rearming trap, sap,path,siphon,inner light. dual wield torugs
Bar 2: blockade,cripple,impale,focus,inner light. Inferno staff.
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Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mricci1988 wrote: »Is Necropotence Set that good?
It's decent for the shades, but the main reason is for the magicka in 50k range if your all golded out.0 -
Stoopid_Nwah✭✭✭✭I second necropotence since you're using shades. And this does sound different/fun to play! Of course, as you mentioned, you may have to deal with people lecturing you on min-max lol.
I didn't see you list it anywhere, but did you plan on going light for armour or perhaps a heavy armour approach to tie it in with the battlemage feel?
One thing I would suggest is putting inner light in place of twisting path on your dps bar just for more magicka, crit, and regen
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IwakuraLain42✭✭✭✭✭Interesting build, but you know that your light attack weaves are doing physical damage (weapon damage) and therefore aren't that effective. The only advantage I see for that is procing Siph.Strikes.1 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Impale ALWAYS with soul harvest, even more if you are not weaving (disease glyph)Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
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Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭*Notice* this is not a min-max build but is to allow you the ability to have fun while pushing respectable DPS
Can you elaborate on this please? I'm interested in seeing your parses, particularly how they bench up against alternative setups. The term "respectable" is too subjective and non-specific.1 -
kaithuzar✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Mricci1988
What faction/server/console/pc do you play? I feel like my mag nb will beat yours in a duel; lets fight.
If you think sap is going to keep you alive due to having no real healing abilities you're completely wrong.
Any typical mag nb is running either duel wield w/ resto or destro w/ resto.
A select rare few are mag running s&b (basically non-existent but would be really cool to see more of!)
Either you have to run bubble, or you have to run blessing of restoration. IF not, the only way to try & make your build work is if you added swallow soul & had almost 100 pts into champion tree for "blessed, the blue tree one" & "whatever the red tree one is".
I use to theory with doing destro w/ duel wield but if you get into a bad situation recovery is almost impossible.
You can try putting either morph of purge, but it only heals if a dot is removed.
You can try s&b with absorb magicka, but it gives a very small shield & the heal is terrible.
Also proxy is basically worthless now unless you're able to hit...what was it... 11 people??? take that off your bar
Good luck.
-KaiEdited by kaithuzar on August 22, 2016 6:59PMMember of:
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Mricci1988✭✭@Mricci1988
What faction/server/console/pc do you play? I feel like my mag nb will beat yours in a duel; lets fight.
If you think sap is going to keep you alive due to having no real healing abilities you're completely wrong.
Any typical mag nb is running either duel wield w/ resto or destro w/ resto.
A select rare few are mag running s&b (basically non-existent but would be really cool to see more of!)
Either you have to run bubble, or you have to run blessing of restoration. IF not, the only way to try & make your build work is if you added swallow soul & had almost 100 pts into champion tree for "blessed, the blue tree one" & "whatever the red tree one is".
I use to theory with doing destro w/ duel wield but if you get into a bad situation recovery is almost impossible.
You can try putting either morph of purge, but it only heals if a dot is removed.
You can try s&b with absorb magicka, but it gives a very small shield & the heal is terrible.
Also proxy is basically worthless now unless you're able to hit...what was it... 11 people??? take that off your bar
Good luck.
-Kai
Cute message but here is where you are 100% wrong and it was such a tiny portion you missed.
This is for PvE.
See this is why I find it cute about kids these days thinking everything is about PVP.
Dueling me is not going to make any sense because you will simply win....a PVP build always wins against a pve build is majority of cases and I am a crappie pvper.
Huge portion to this game is exploration and pve.
Again....your post is invalid to a major degree as it does not apply to the theme of this build.0 -
kaithuzar✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Mricci1988
My fault on the missing the "pve" part, I guess I assumed it was pvp because you stated "this is not a min-max build" & I just didn't see the point in running a pve build, or talking about one, that's not min-max'd.
The tiny little detail you missed is that "my eyes didn't catch everything" which could also mean that I'm older than you.
I know very few "children" which play this game, but that comment of calling people "kids" gets thrown around way more than it should.Member of:
Fantasia - osh kosh b-josh
Just Chill - Crown's house
GoldCloaks - Durruthy test server penga
Small Meme Guild - Mano's house
Former member of:
Legend - Siffer fan boy club
TKO (tamriel knight's order) - free bks
Deviance - Leonard's senche tiger
Purple - hamNchz is my hero
Eight Divines - myrlifax stop playing final fantasy
WKB (we kill bosses) - turd where you go?
Arcance Council - Klytz Kommander
World Boss - Mike & Chewy gone EP
M12 (majestic twelve) - cult of the loli zerg0 -
Mricci1988✭✭@Mricci1988
My fault on the missing the "pve" part, I guess I assumed it was pvp because you stated "this is not a min-max build" & I just didn't see the point in running a pve build, or talking about one, that's not min-max'd.
The tiny little detail you missed is that "my eyes didn't catch everything" which could also mean that I'm older than you.
I know very few "children" which play this game, but that comment of calling people "kids" gets thrown around way more than it should.
I love you to baby0 -
ScruffyWhiskers✭✭✭✭✭@Mricci1988
My fault on the missing the "pve" part, I guess I assumed it was pvp because you stated "this is not a min-max build" & I just didn't see the point in running a pve build, or talking about one, that's not min-max'd.
The tiny little detail you missed is that "my eyes didn't catch everything" which could also mean that I'm older than you.
I know very few "children" which play this game, but that comment of calling people "kids" gets thrown around way more than it should.
Hehe, I'm a pretty old fart too and I thought he was talking about pvp.
DW/DW is something I have tried a bunch of times on my magicka nb and even recently with the change to harness/dampen so that it works for physical damage. Two big problems that I always find is 1) the lack of the "oh ***" healing ward button and 2) no ranged weapon with the restro to generate ulti with light attacks and also recharge magicka with heavy attacks in your typical open world scrimmage situation.
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Mricci1988✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »
Hehe, I'm a pretty old fart too and I thought he was talking about pvp.
DW/DW is something I have tried a bunch of times on my magicka nb and even recently with the change to harness/dampen so that it works for physical damage. Two big problems that I always find is 1) the lack of the "oh ***" healing ward button and 2) no ranged weapon with the restro to generate ulti with light attacks and also recharge magicka with heavy attacks in your typical open world scrimmage situation.
This actually makes sense....and I can see the added sustain utility...my thoughts are though while yes we have added light attacks for ranged and heavy attacks magicka are as follows:
1. Ranged doesn't really have synergy with the second bars aoe scenario..
2. Lost damage on DW on shades
3. Sap essence is a great oh no heal spam
4. I agree this is really bursty and lacking some basics...i will be tweeking this shortly by changing skills up slightly....
For VMSA and major solo content I agree that there is not enough healing.
Will see what I can pull together
Good advice from everyone.
This would be so much easier to build if hybrids were truly viable....0 -
Stoopid_Nwah✭✭✭✭@Mricci1988
What faction/server/console/pc do you play? I feel like my mag nb will beat yours in a duel; lets fight.
If you think sap is going to keep you alive due to having no real healing abilities you're completely wrong.
Any typical mag nb is running either duel wield w/ resto or destro w/ resto.
A select rare few are mag running s&b (basically non-existent but would be really cool to see more of!)
Either you have to run bubble, or you have to run blessing of restoration. IF not, the only way to try & make your build work is if you added swallow soul & had almost 100 pts into champion tree for "blessed, the blue tree one" & "whatever the red tree one is".
I use to theory with doing destro w/ duel wield but if you get into a bad situation recovery is almost impossible.
You can try putting either morph of purge, but it only heals if a dot is removed.
You can try s&b with absorb magicka, but it gives a very small shield & the heal is terrible.
Also proxy is basically worthless now unless you're able to hit...what was it... 11 people??? take that off your bar
Good luck.
-Kai
Lol seriously? Maybe this was meant as a joke/you guys know each other, but if not, it comes off pretty arrogant. The OP just wants a build that performs reasonably well and is fun to play...
And dampen/harness magicka does wonders in pvp. Not everyone needs to run a cookie-cutter, min-max build to be successful or have a good time.1 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »
Lol seriously? Maybe this was meant as a joke/you guys know each other, but if not, it comes off pretty arrogant. The OP just wants a build that performs reasonably well and is fun to play...
And dampen/harness magicka does wonders in pvp. Not everyone needs to run a cookie-cutter, min-max build to be successful or have a good time.
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Stoopid_Nwah✭✭✭✭
But it's not pvp
I know...that is what I am saying. The harness comment (actually the entire comment) was solely directed at @kaithuzar. My specific advice to the OP has already been given above.0 -
Mricci1988✭✭Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »
I know...that is what I am saying. The harness comment (actually the entire comment) was solely directed at @kaithuzar. My specific advice to the OP has already been given above.
Thanks mate appreciate it
Right now I am only pulling out about 18-20K DPS on most parses which is not the greatest however the rotation needs a lot of work as well as general skill load out.
Some things better than others.
If it was possible doing this as a hybrid would be so much easier!!!
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Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mricci1988 wrote: »Right now I am only pulling out about 18-20K DPS on most parses which is not the greatest however the rotation needs a lot of work as well as general skill load out.
As it pertains to pve, a DW-only setup is simply incapable of pulling the parses that are necessary for competitive trials, which is why I requested your parses initially. 18-20k is fine for vet dungeons and open-world content, but DW doesn't afford anywhere near the steady damage potential that a destro does. Working out your rotation and performing it flawlessly will likely raise your parse to around 21k max, given my own testing and experience. Adding in a destro light attack weave with any element will raise your parse by 1-2k by itself. Add in a vMA destro with WoE, and you get about another 4-5k. Add in Scathing Mage to that, and you're looking at about a 30k self-buffed parse, which is where one needs to be to compete in the most challenging content.
You can do pretty much everything without vMA and Scathing on normal versions, and even a couple of them on vet, but the latter assumes that the other dps in your group are pulling some of your weight. I have yet to see a parse reach above 21-22k without obtaining Scathing and/or vMA destro. Scathing added 4k dps alone in my build; Julianos, TBS and Kags come nowhere close (this parse is 4k more than Julianos).
Don't take this the wrong way please. This is the nature of the magblade in pve. We have a singular optimal set locked behind one of the most lengthy and aggravating grinds in the game. It's better now that we can trade dungeon loot, but it doesn't change the nature of the situation. Tbh, I just want to convey the idea that I'm not trying to rain on your parade here; I'm simply trying to save you some of the time and frustration that many of us have done already. Enjoy this build to its fullest and use it whenever it's viable. But know that it is very likely that pursuing competitive 12-man content will force you into the same gear and rotation as the rest of us (because there are not many options atm).2 -
Mricci1988✭✭
As it pertains to pve, a DW-only setup is simply incapable of pulling the parses that are necessary for competitive trials, which is why I requested your parses initially. 18-20k is fine for vet dungeons and open-world content, but DW doesn't afford anywhere near the steady damage potential that a destro does. Working out your rotation and performing it flawlessly will likely raise your parse to around 21k max, given my own testing and experience. Adding in a destro light attack weave with any element will raise your parse by 1-2k by itself. Add in a vMA destro with WoE, and you get about another 4-5k. Add in Scathing Mage to that, and you're looking at about a 30k self-buffed parse, which is where one needs to be to compete in the most challenging content.
You can do pretty much everything without vMA and Scathing on normal versions, and even a couple of them on vet, but the latter assumes that the other dps in your group are pulling some of your weight. I have yet to see a parse reach above 21-22k without obtaining Scathing and/or vMA destro. Scathing added 4k dps alone in my build; Julianos, TBS and Kags come nowhere close (this parse is 4k more than Julianos).
Don't take this the wrong way please. This is the nature of the magblade in pve. We have a singular optimal set locked behind one of the most lengthy and aggravating grinds in the game. It's better now that we can trade dungeon loot, but it doesn't change the nature of the situation. Tbh, I just want to convey the idea that I'm not trying to rain on your parade here; I'm simply trying to save you some of the time and frustration that many of us have done already. Enjoy this build to its fullest and use it whenever it's viable. But know that it is very likely that pursuing competitive 12-man content will force you into the same gear and rotation as the rest of us (because there are not many options atm).
Hey thanks for this feedback I found it quite helpful and insightful.
I think you are right on this and updating my build to incorporate destro staff will be imperative...sadly I have not trained it up
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Wall of elements looks strong however the duration is so short...making the rotation difficult - will need to figure a way to optimize this....
Focusing on concealed weapon as the main spammable does not feel efficent as with a 6 second duration on WoE I can bar swap...get maybe 1or2 concealed weapon attacks + weaves before needing to bar swap again to refresh WoE...
What are your thoughts behind that?
Once I get your feedback I will update or delete the orginal post as the main focus behind the build will be potentially scrapped.
Thanks agian for feedback.0 -
Stoopid_Nwah✭✭✭✭Mricci1988 wrote: »
Hey thanks for this feedback I found it quite helpful and insightful.
I think you are right on this and updating my build to incorporate destro staff will be imperative...sadly I have not trained it up .....
Wall of elements looks strong however the duration is so short...making the rotation difficult - will need to figure a way to optimize this....
Focusing on concealed weapon as the main spammable does not feel efficent as with a 6 second duration on WoE I can bar swap...get maybe 1or2 concealed weapon attacks + weaves before needing to bar swap again to refresh WoE...
What are your thoughts behind that?
Once I get your feedback I will update or delete the orginal post as the main focus behind the build will be potentially scrapped.
Thanks agian for feedback.
I sort of assumed you knew the dw setup wouldn't ever be optimal and that it was just a unique fun thing you enjoyed, but if you're simply looking to pull higher dps then definitely use the destro staff. You'll get used to woe, and when you morph it the duration will increase.
Concealed should be dropped imo. Most have used swallow soul, but new data has shown weaving inferno staff attacks with force pulse may be better dps wise if you use nerieneth.
I personally double bar destro staves, but if you really want dw incorporated I bet you could swap to dw as an execute bar with impale and to keep up twisting path, siphoning strikes, etc...
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Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mricci1988 wrote: »
Hey thanks for this feedback I found it quite helpful and insightful.
I think you are right on this and updating my build to incorporate destro staff will be imperative...sadly I have not trained it up .....
Wall of elements looks strong however the duration is so short...making the rotation difficult - will need to figure a way to optimize this....
Focusing on concealed weapon as the main spammable does not feel efficent as with a 6 second duration on WoE I can bar swap...get maybe 1or2 concealed weapon attacks + weaves before needing to bar swap again to refresh WoE...
What are your thoughts behind that?
Once I get your feedback I will update or delete the orginal post as the main focus behind the build will be potentially scrapped.
Thanks agian for feedback.
The trick to fitting WoE into the rotation is to use the Elemental Blockade morph, which increases its duration to *8s. With an *8s duration, it fits very nicely into the rotation and allows for a few spammable attacks while the DoTs are running. It can be tricky to manage, but *8s makes all the difference when compared to the 6s morphs.
Don't delete your post here. There's no need to do that! The build/concept itself is completely viable for non-competitive content. I'd wager that probably 80-90% of the population could use it at one point or another and it suit their needs. The point I was trying to drive home was for a competitive trials setup, and there is a big difference between doing what is fun and interesting, and doing what is necessary to complete & compete. The latter is fun for many too, but it doesn't make the former irrelevant.Edited by Autolycus on September 7, 2016 5:04PM0 -
Siphoneer✭✭✭Nah Im a dual wield nightblade that can outheal anything other then a templar so, if you need tips let me know0
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The trick to fitting WoE into the rotation is to use the Elemental Blockade morph, which increases its duration to 10s. With a 10s duration, it fits very nicely into the rotation and allows for a few spammable attacks while the DoTs are running. It can be tricky to manage, but 10s makes all the difference when compared to the 6s morphs.
Don't delete your post here. There's no need to do that! The build/concept itself is completely viable for non-competitive content. I'd wager that probably 80-90% of the population could use it at one point or another and it suit their needs. The point I was trying to drive home was for a competitive trials setup, and there is a big difference between doing what is fun and interesting, and doing what is necessary to complete & compete. The latter is fun for many too, but it doesn't make the former irrelevant.
Blockade is 8 sec0
