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DT DoW and long downtimes

LordJerle
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Why do they do the patching/reboots on Monday morning instead of middle of the week like 90% of other MMO's, and why does it take 7-8 hours, where larger games take 2-4, at most? Given that 50% of the player crowd on the NA server (that I've seen) is in Aus, this makes absolutely no sense. Also, I work nights, and I don't play games on days I work, so this gives me ONE day that I'm able to play per week, anyway.
  • jedtb16_ESO
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    congratulations.... you are first in with the 'why oh why oh why does maintenance have to be now' thread.
  • Ignotus
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    Downtime will always fall into someone's play time. It can't be avoided. They do seem to be down for extended periods a little too frequently though for my taste. Last week lasted 10 hours or something ridiculous for the NA server. The EU server came up much earlier.

    One of my two days off is on patch day as well. I also work evenings in the US, so this falls into my normal play time. I think the 8am maintenance time that we used to have made a lot more sense. They changed it to 4am back in June I think. No idea why; it just happened out of nowhere as far as I know. There was a post I think, but not much info. Amusingly, I think it was in-game in the help area iirc, it still says the maintenance time is 8am.
  • LordJerle
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    Middle of the work week would make much more sense, if the primary intended player crowd is US.
    Edited by LordJerle on August 15, 2016 8:08AM
  • Qyrk
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    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.
  • NovaShadow
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    The new time is based on player feedback. Must be imaginary players because anyone who actually plays the game would've said no to moving it forward by 4 hours.
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  • jedtb16_ESO
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    LordJerle wrote: »
    Middle of the work week would make much more sense, if the primary intended player crowd is US.

    whenever it is someone will be put out by it.
  • Carter_DC
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    In France, Down Time began at 10 am... BTW it's a holiday here so basically no-one's at work.... just sayin'...
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  • LordJerle
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    Qyrk wrote: »
    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.

    That's based on the locations of 50% of the active members of the guild I'm in...
  • Qyrk
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    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.

    That's based on the locations of 50% of the active members of the guild I'm in...

    Then your 'statistic' is skewed and not a good sample size. This number is selection bias and cannot be used to back up an argument. Why? You're basing this at the time that you're on, which means many of us are on when it's quite early morning for many NA players, skewing your numbers in your favour.
  • LordJerle
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    Qyrk wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.

    That's based on the locations of 50% of the active members of the guild I'm in...

    Then your 'statistic' is skewed and not a good sample size. This number is selection bias and cannot be used to back up an argument. Why? You're basing this at the time that you're on, which means many of us are on when it's quite early morning for many NA players, skewing your numbers in your favour.

    Regardless of that, such an early downtime makes no sense, anyway.
  • jedtb16_ESO
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    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.

    That's based on the locations of 50% of the active members of the guild I'm in...

    Then your 'statistic' is skewed and not a good sample size. This number is selection bias and cannot be used to back up an argument. Why? You're basing this at the time that you're on, which means many of us are on when it's quite early morning for many NA players, skewing your numbers in your favour.

    Regardless of that, such an early downtime makes no sense, anyway.

    when should it be then?
  • LordJerle
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    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.

    That's based on the locations of 50% of the active members of the guild I'm in...

    Then your 'statistic' is skewed and not a good sample size. This number is selection bias and cannot be used to back up an argument. Why? You're basing this at the time that you're on, which means many of us are on when it's quite early morning for many NA players, skewing your numbers in your favour.

    Regardless of that, such an early downtime makes no sense, anyway.

    when should it be then?

    Bring it back to 8 AM and shift it to Wednesday morning, which is mid work week for 90% of the world...
  • jedtb16_ESO
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    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.

    That's based on the locations of 50% of the active members of the guild I'm in...

    Then your 'statistic' is skewed and not a good sample size. This number is selection bias and cannot be used to back up an argument. Why? You're basing this at the time that you're on, which means many of us are on when it's quite early morning for many NA players, skewing your numbers in your favour.

    Regardless of that, such an early downtime makes no sense, anyway.

    when should it be then?

    Bring it back to 8 AM and shift it to Wednesday morning, which is mid work week for 90% of the world...

    8am in which time zone?
  • Bigevilpeter
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    The problem is the frequency of maintenance, its insane its like the 4th time in 2 weeks what the heck? and each maintenance is not less that 5 hours
  • Wow
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    Ignotus wrote: »
    Downtime will always fall into someone's play time.

    More like,

    It's always Oceanic timezone players that is always get screwed.

    Either way, no matter what time they put it at, someone gets screwed. <- this is a fact, but why does the Oceanic have to suffer every single time? Why can't we have maintenance hit a little bit on other side of the world for a while?

    Look at this game, it is now being officially supported and advertized in Japan, yet the maintenance hits right on their Prime time. Look at my guild now they are little bit mad http://i.imgur.com/Xw9k5mz.png

    it leaves bad taste among Japanese players. Here if you can understand Japanese, go switch to live tweets https://twitter.com/hashtag/eso_jp?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash They are being disheartened by the maintenance time
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  • LordJerle
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    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.

    That's based on the locations of 50% of the active members of the guild I'm in...

    Then your 'statistic' is skewed and not a good sample size. This number is selection bias and cannot be used to back up an argument. Why? You're basing this at the time that you're on, which means many of us are on when it's quite early morning for many NA players, skewing your numbers in your favour.

    Regardless of that, such an early downtime makes no sense, anyway.

    when should it be then?

    Bring it back to 8 AM and shift it to Wednesday morning, which is mid work week for 90% of the world...

    8am in which time zone?

    EST, which is what they're currently based off of, but if they shifted it to Wednesday, which is the middle of 90% of the workforce's work week, then it wouldn't impact nearly as many players.
  • Darlon
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    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.

    That's based on the locations of 50% of the active members of the guild I'm in...

    Then your 'statistic' is skewed and not a good sample size. This number is selection bias and cannot be used to back up an argument. Why? You're basing this at the time that you're on, which means many of us are on when it's quite early morning for many NA players, skewing your numbers in your favour.

    Regardless of that, such an early downtime makes no sense, anyway.

    when should it be then?

    Bring it back to 8 AM and shift it to Wednesday morning, which is mid work week for 90% of the world...

    8am in which time zone?

    EST, which is what they're currently based off of, but if they shifted it to Wednesday, which is the middle of 90% of the workforce's work week, then it wouldn't impact nearly as many players.

    No thanks, that would set the maintenance at 14:00 CET (Central European Time). That's not a good time to start a maintenance.
  • LordJerle
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    Darlon wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.

    That's based on the locations of 50% of the active members of the guild I'm in...

    Then your 'statistic' is skewed and not a good sample size. This number is selection bias and cannot be used to back up an argument. Why? You're basing this at the time that you're on, which means many of us are on when it's quite early morning for many NA players, skewing your numbers in your favour.

    Regardless of that, such an early downtime makes no sense, anyway.

    when should it be then?

    Bring it back to 8 AM and shift it to Wednesday morning, which is mid work week for 90% of the world...

    8am in which time zone?

    EST, which is what they're currently based off of, but if they shifted it to Wednesday, which is the middle of 90% of the workforce's work week, then it wouldn't impact nearly as many players.

    No thanks, that would set the maintenance at 14:00 CET (Central European Time). That's not a good time to start a maintenance.

    On a wednesday, during the time that 90% of the people are at work? And that's a problem why? Besides, there's the European servers, which has the exact same downtime as the NA server, for some reason.
  • laksikus
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    LordJerle wrote: »
    Darlon wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.

    That's based on the locations of 50% of the active members of the guild I'm in...

    Then your 'statistic' is skewed and not a good sample size. This number is selection bias and cannot be used to back up an argument. Why? You're basing this at the time that you're on, which means many of us are on when it's quite early morning for many NA players, skewing your numbers in your favour.

    Regardless of that, such an early downtime makes no sense, anyway.

    when should it be then?

    Bring it back to 8 AM and shift it to Wednesday morning, which is mid work week for 90% of the world...

    8am in which time zone?

    EST, which is what they're currently based off of, but if they shifted it to Wednesday, which is the middle of 90% of the workforce's work week, then it wouldn't impact nearly as many players.

    No thanks, that would set the maintenance at 14:00 CET (Central European Time). That's not a good time to start a maintenance.

    On a wednesday, during the time that 90% of the people are at work? And that's a problem why? Besides, there's the European servers, which has the exact same downtime as the NA server, for some reason.

    some people only work halfdays, some have school till midday, some are retired.
    Your "work time" isnt a valid argument
  • Darlon
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    LordJerle wrote: »
    Darlon wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.

    That's based on the locations of 50% of the active members of the guild I'm in...

    Then your 'statistic' is skewed and not a good sample size. This number is selection bias and cannot be used to back up an argument. Why? You're basing this at the time that you're on, which means many of us are on when it's quite early morning for many NA players, skewing your numbers in your favour.

    Regardless of that, such an early downtime makes no sense, anyway.

    when should it be then?

    Bring it back to 8 AM and shift it to Wednesday morning, which is mid work week for 90% of the world...

    8am in which time zone?

    EST, which is what they're currently based off of, but if they shifted it to Wednesday, which is the middle of 90% of the workforce's work week, then it wouldn't impact nearly as many players.

    No thanks, that would set the maintenance at 14:00 CET (Central European Time). That's not a good time to start a maintenance.

    On a wednesday, during the time that 90% of the people are at work? And that's a problem why? Besides, there's the European servers, which has the exact same downtime as the NA server, for some reason.

    I am talking about the European servers... Since ZOS has stated they will do maintenance on both servers at the same time, your suggestion would affect the EU server also.. Thats why it'is a problem...

    It's also a problem because maintenance lasts usually for 4+ hours... starting at 2pm it would run into the eraly evening (even longer if it is extended). That's just a bad time.

    The current time is way better, and there's a lot more people at work from 10am-2pm (counting 4 hours) on monday morning than from 2pm - 6pm (4 hours again) on wednesday...
  • RavenRoxie
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    LordJerle wrote: »
    Why do they do the patching/reboots on Monday morning instead of middle of the week like 90% of other MMO's, and why does it take 7-8 hours, where larger games take 2-4, at most? Given that 50% of the player crowd on the NA server (that I've seen) is in Aus, this makes absolutely no sense. Also, I work nights, and I don't play games on days I work, so this gives me ONE day that I'm able to play per week, anyway.

    Clearly, ESO revolves around you and therefore they should most certainly change the patch day to one that you approve of and should probably personally message you to find out an appropriate time for the maintenance to be done at as well.

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  • Orchish
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    European maintenance used to have a good time at 3am/4am. The new times are rubbish. Suppose they have no choice since they probably sacked all the EU staff long ago.
  • Sirvandal
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    Downtime for EU server was at 3-4 in the early morning. For some reason Zeni changed that into an EU daytime downtime.....

    Zeni? Change it back!
  • LordJerle
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    laksikus wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Darlon wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.

    That's based on the locations of 50% of the active members of the guild I'm in...

    Then your 'statistic' is skewed and not a good sample size. This number is selection bias and cannot be used to back up an argument. Why? You're basing this at the time that you're on, which means many of us are on when it's quite early morning for many NA players, skewing your numbers in your favour.

    Regardless of that, such an early downtime makes no sense, anyway.

    when should it be then?

    Bring it back to 8 AM and shift it to Wednesday morning, which is mid work week for 90% of the world...

    8am in which time zone?

    EST, which is what they're currently based off of, but if they shifted it to Wednesday, which is the middle of 90% of the workforce's work week, then it wouldn't impact nearly as many players.

    No thanks, that would set the maintenance at 14:00 CET (Central European Time). That's not a good time to start a maintenance.

    On a wednesday, during the time that 90% of the people are at work? And that's a problem why? Besides, there's the European servers, which has the exact same downtime as the NA server, for some reason.

    some people only work halfdays, some have school till midday, some are retired.
    Your "work time" isnt a valid argument

    Your "I'm in the EU, therefore the NA server downtimes effect me" is invalid.
  • Sirvandal
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    Orchish wrote: »
    European maintenance used to have a good time at 3am/4am. The new times are rubbish. Suppose they have no choice since they probably sacked all the EU staff long ago.

    Rofl! Same moment typing :lol:
  • idk
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    LordJerle wrote: »
    Middle of the work week would make much more sense, if the primary intended player crowd is US.

    Other than it does not work for your schedule you have not explained why Mondays do not make sense. Any day they choose it will not work for someones schedule and hence it will not make sense to them.

    Cannot make everyone happy so there is no reason to change the date for maintenance.
  • laksikus
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    LordJerle wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Darlon wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    LordJerle wrote: »
    Qyrk wrote: »
    Just because you think the statistics of '50% of the player crowd on the NA server' is in Aus doesn't make it true.

    Pure hyperbolic reasoning doesn't bode your argument very well........and this is coming from a player from this side of the world (oz/kiwi)...I can say quite the opposite mate.

    That's based on the locations of 50% of the active members of the guild I'm in...

    Then your 'statistic' is skewed and not a good sample size. This number is selection bias and cannot be used to back up an argument. Why? You're basing this at the time that you're on, which means many of us are on when it's quite early morning for many NA players, skewing your numbers in your favour.

    Regardless of that, such an early downtime makes no sense, anyway.

    when should it be then?

    Bring it back to 8 AM and shift it to Wednesday morning, which is mid work week for 90% of the world...

    8am in which time zone?

    EST, which is what they're currently based off of, but if they shifted it to Wednesday, which is the middle of 90% of the workforce's work week, then it wouldn't impact nearly as many players.

    No thanks, that would set the maintenance at 14:00 CET (Central European Time). That's not a good time to start a maintenance.

    On a wednesday, during the time that 90% of the people are at work? And that's a problem why? Besides, there's the European servers, which has the exact same downtime as the NA server, for some reason.

    some people only work halfdays, some have school till midday, some are retired.
    Your "work time" isnt a valid argument

    Your "I'm in the EU, therefore the NA server downtimes effect me" is invalid.

    no its not. look at the yellow box, european patch time is always on the same time as NA, except if its server and not patch maintenance.
  • LordJerle
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    LordJerle wrote: »
    Middle of the work week would make much more sense, if the primary intended player crowd is US.

    Other than it does not work for your schedule you have not explained why Mondays do not make sense. Any day they choose it will not work for someones schedule and hence it will not make sense to them.

    Cannot make everyone happy so there is no reason to change the date for maintenance.

    There's more people in the US, including overnight workers who are working on wednesdays, than not, so that would be the best day. It would also be better for the increasing player base in Australia and Japan (who use the NA server because they're closer to it, resulting in less lag), because that puts the patch at the middle of the night and early AM for them, resulting in less probems on their end.
  • shadelon
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    Wow wrote: »
    Ignotus wrote: »
    Downtime will always fall into someone's play time.

    More like,

    It's always Oceanic timezone players that is always get screwed.

    Either way, no matter what time they put it at, someone gets screwed. <- this is a fact, but why does the Oceanic have to suffer every single time? Why can't we have maintenance hit a little bit on other side of the world for a while?

    Look at this game, it is now being officially supported and advertized in Japan, yet the maintenance hits right on their Prime time. Look at my guild now they are little bit mad http://i.imgur.com/Xw9k5mz.png

    it leaves bad taste among Japanese players. Here if you can understand Japanese, go switch to live tweets https://twitter.com/hashtag/eso_jp?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash They are being disheartened by the maintenance time

    Dude. . . Are you a tape recorder or something? That is the exact same post you replied to me with not too long ago, word for word. That is just. . . Creepy. And wierd.
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