Tips for returning magicka dragonknight dd (PvE) ?

X3ina

Looking for some help with the build, answers will be highly appreciated^^

Questions:
1)Which set is BiS atm (silks of the sun/moondancer/scathing/julianos/twice born star) in trial environment ?
2)Is it viable to use dual weild as a back bar (if yes what to use 2swords/sword & dagger/2daggers) ?
3)Which mundus stone to choose with ~62% crit (thief or shadow) ?
4)With highest uptime of major & minor berserk, precise > sharpened or not ? ---> shadow > thief or not ?
5)With vMA inferno staff equiped, which deals more damage unstable wall or elemental blockade ?
6)What is the undebuffed spell resistance of trial bosses ?

Questions about PTS:
a)Can i find all these listed sets in my templates' inventory/mail ?
b)Is there a dps testing dummies (if not where to test) ?
c)Any info about gear cap increase (is it worth to grind stuff or not, just don't want to regrind it in 2 months) ?

I was a bit out of endgame PvE, and i don't have all these sets to do the tests by myself so its really costy for me and downloading PTS from thieves guild is another pain lol. Any detailed answer giver will receive a cookie

Wycks

Magicka DK's are the worst class in the game, wait until they fix the class, if ever.

caperon

Hi,

1.- haven't tested sun, looks decent. In good trial groups tbs should be better. Julianos is close, better in bad trial groups (low horn uptime). Haven't tested scathing, but it doesn't propc from dots, so the uptime woulb be lower than other classes (mostly nighblades). Haven't tested moondancer, probably good but a bit clunky to manage the synergies.

If i had to choose, id go 5 aether + 5 tbs/julianos + maelstrom weapons (sharpened frontbar, precise or sharpened backbar). 2 skoria, 5 julianos/tbs + 3 willpower is still decent.

2.- Its not as efective as other classes, generally not worth. Many DKs are using mlighting staff on the backbar for very high free aoe dps with lighting staff fully charged atacks. They get buffed by molten weapons, wall of elements (maelstrom inferno staff) and infalible aether 5 piece bonus. Really high dmg and restores magicka.

3.- Thief

4.- Usually you use thief unless your crit chance is 10% higher than your crit modifier. You really want sharpened on your front bar. Now its a lot better than precise (8-9% dmg)

5.- Damage is the same, but elemental blockade last longer so you have the maelstrom enchant buf longer without recast. Everyone uses elemental blocade.

6.- Word around is 18k.

a.- Usually you get the tipical old patch set (julianos) and the new sets (sun). You have a lot of mats, so you can do the crafted. You get the monsters sets too.

b.- No. Maybe in a future dlc with housing. We don't know.

c.- There is no gear cap increase planned as far players know.

ryanborror

1. Julianos/tbs are dependable. Sun is no go. Infallible aether is pulling crazy aoe numbers with lightning staff and molten armaments. Scathing is good if you have it. Kena is good if you can sustain. Valkyn and nerieneth are decent if you have them.
2. Yes you can use two swords with deep breath/talons spam but destro weaving prep ably pulls better numbers overall. Only swords on magic build.,
3. thief. Add shadow for tbs
4. Major berserk only achievable for nightblades. With major/minor force in optimal groups, thief will still win out for magic builds. Only use precise if you are running scathing Mage or for pure trash fights.
5. Elemental blockade
6. I'll agree with 18k

X3ina

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

Magicka DK's are the worst class in the game, wait until they fix the class, if ever.

Details plz, why do u think they are worst?
Is it because of vMA ?

I've done vMA on all my magicka dk its not hard + he has the best sustain among other classes magicka dds.

Or they are boring to play with?

I remember in 1,5/1,6 it was boring to play mdk, because of super easy rotation. Or when they had 2 toggles, it was very limiting, but now i have like only 1 toggle (inner light) and its only in 1 bar. So alot of place for theorycrafting and improvement.

@caperon and @ryanborror thanks for the answers, but i disagree with some opinions

About scathing proc: nightblades proc it from twisting path (which is dot), and all i need is at least about ~40% uptime to beat julianos (so is about ~45% uptime needed to beat tbs with high upime of major force* (its a typo about berserk sry xD))
Infellible Aether set (heavy attack build) i think its silly, you can't use fully charged channeled attack in heavy aoe fights (you'll end up dead from aoe or heavy attack), and i don't have any spot for molten in my bars xD
Willpower is simply outplayed by aether/moondancer 3 piece bonus so its not an option for me aswell.
About dual back bar, i want to fill fifth bonus of moondancer with duals + jewelry (so i can synergise once in 30+ seconds to get the buff) and mdk is mostly melee, so i'll have alot of free "x" as liquid lightning and blazing spear near the boss. And i remember twin blade and blunt passive was broken and didn't add damage, did Zeni fix that ? I had more dps on a templar and sorc with precise daggers than with sharpened swords (have to test this more precisely^^)
And the reason behing precise is: i want to put more points in elfborn (or whatever it is called, which increases crit damage) and less points in spell penetration (like sorcs do).
About vMA enchant (crushing) - it used to be 6 second buff to light and heavy attacks or am i missing something. And blockade last 8 seconds so 2 seconds of less dps each cast.

Overall: now my mind is really out of control xD So many ideas .... like yeah... i guess i'll head to nwayrest or vspindle to test dps. Like it was so hard to create a dummy to check dps....

P.S.: English is not my main/native language so feel free to show me the mistakes that i've done (grammar only xD)

pretzl

X3ina wrote: »

Looking for some help with the build, answers will be highly appreciated^^

Questions:
1)Which set is BiS atm (silks of the sun/moondancer/scathing/julianos/twice born star) in trial environment ?
2)Is it viable to use dual weild as a back bar (if yes what to use 2swords/sword & dagger/2daggers) ?
3)Which mundus stone to choose with ~62% crit (thief or shadow) ?
4)With highest uptime of major & minor berserk, precise > sharpened or not ? ---> shadow > thief or not ?
5)With vMA inferno staff equiped, which deals more damage unstable wall or elemental blockade ?
6)What is the undebuffed spell resistance of trial bosses ?

Questions about PTS:
a)Can i find all these listed sets in my templates' inventory/mail ?
b)Is there a dps testing dummies (if not where to test) ?
c)Any info about gear cap increase (is it worth to grind stuff or not, just don't want to regrind it in 2 months) ?

I was a bit out of endgame PvE, and i don't have all these sets to do the tests by myself so its really costy for me and downloading PTS from thieves guild is another pain lol. Any detailed answer giver will receive a cookie

1) Absolute BiS for PvE DPS atm is 5 TBS, 3 Moondancer(1 Jewel, 2 armor), 3 Willpower (2 Jewels, Sharp Staff mainbar) vMA staff offbar.
2) No. It's really bad. Weaving > extra damage
3) Thief. If TBS, Thief + Shadow
4) Sharpened BiS unless using Scathing. Still thief.
5) Unstable =/= Blockade. I use blockade because it fits better in a rotation. 6s is just too short
6) 18k for spell and phys for most bosses.

a) Most of them, yes. Some would need to be crafted but PTS chars has 9/9 traits etc.
b) Not atm. RIP Ninglenel. Grab a tank and a healer and go to vet Spindle (Bloodspawn) for the best DPS test.
c) No info yet. Save some mats just incase, but don't hold back on your gear

If you need help with mDK endgame PvE, there are a few guides on TamrielFoundry - one of them being mine. There are 2 "main" guides where they both have a very distinct playstyle to fit it. In the end, it's your choice how you play.

In terms of Silks of the Sun set, it's a flat value now. 400 Spelldamage to fire attacks. This means you need a specific playstyle, but even then Kena (512 Spell Dmg) + Willpower (1400 Max Mag + 186 Spell Dmg) at an avg uptime of 70% = 512 Spell Dmg. Kena + Willpower is better than Sun if you can keep a decent uptime.
When it comes to Scathing, it doesn't proc properly off DoTs. Twisting seems weird for Scathing, but it doesn't help us as mDKs. You need a 45% uptime to beat Julianos (not hard), but you need a 70% uptime to beat TBS with full raidbuffs (very hard). Therefore, TBS is better.

ryanborror

X3ina wrote: »

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

Magicka DK's are the worst class in the game, wait until they fix the class, if ever.

Details plz, why do u think they are worst?
Is it because of vMA ?

I've done vMA on all my magicka dk its not hard + he has the best sustain among other classes magicka dds.

Or they are boring to play with?

I remember in 1,5/1,6 it was boring to play mdk, because of super easy rotation. Or when they had 2 toggles, it was very limiting, but now i have like only 1 toggle (inner light) and its only in 1 bar. So alot of place for theorycrafting and improvement.

@caperon and @ryanborror thanks for the answers, but i disagree with some opinions

About scathing proc: nightblades proc it from twisting path (which is dot), and all i need is at least about ~40% uptime to beat julianos (so is about ~45% uptime needed to beat tbs with high upime of major force* (its a typo about berserk sry xD))
Infellible Aether set (heavy attack build) i think its silly, you can't use fully charged channeled attack in heavy aoe fights (you'll end up dead from aoe or heavy attack), and i don't have any spot for molten in my bars xD
Willpower is simply outplayed by aether/moondancer 3 piece bonus so its not an option for me aswell.
About dual back bar, i want to fill fifth bonus of moondancer with duals + jewelry (so i can synergise once in 30+ seconds to get the buff) and mdk is mostly melee, so i'll have alot of free "x" as liquid lightning and blazing spear near the boss. And i remember twin blade and blunt passive was broken and didn't add damage, did Zeni fix that ? I had more dps on a templar and sorc with precise daggers than with sharpened swords (have to test this more precisely^^)
And the reason behing precise is: i want to put more points in elfborn (or whatever it is called, which increases crit damage) and less points in spell penetration (like sorcs do).
About vMA enchant (crushing) - it used to be 6 second buff to light and heavy attacks or am i missing something. And blockade last 8 seconds so 2 seconds of less dps each cast.

Overall: now my mind is really out of control xD So many ideas .... like yeah... i guess i'll head to nwayrest or vspindle to test dps. Like it was so hard to create a dummy to check dps....

P.S.: English is not my main/native language so feel free to show me the mistakes that i've done (grammar only xD)

Precise daggers will do nothing for a magic build. Only swords work. Moon dancer swords will take forever to get when you could just use Kena. I agree with the infallible heavy attack thing and lightning staff but it works, I just don't like it. As for scathing, I don't use it because it seems risky and I don't have the pieces. If you used scathing, force pulse would give more chances to proc. And you should put more points into elfborn and use sharpened as to not really need spell pen cp. don't put more than 10 in spell erosion especially if running with good group with proper debuffs