Undocumented negate change?

Magus

Maybe I missed it in the patch notes somewhere, but I noticed a few weeks ago that the negate ultimate no longer removes enemy ground effects. Enemy standard there, negate it, it's still there. Enemy negate, counter negate it, still there. You can even cast healing springs inside of a negate if you are standing outside of the negate.

Was this intended or something I missed in a patch notes somewhere?

It definitely makes negate less OP than it was, but just curious. It definitely took some tools away from smaller groups and promotes less thoughtful play and usage of ultimates, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was intended.

Lyrander

huh...what?

anyone can confirm this?

KenaPKK

Magus wrote: »

Maybe I missed it in the patch notes somewhere, but I noticed a few weeks ago that the negate ultimate no longer removes enemy ground effects. Enemy standard there, negate it, it's still there. Enemy negate, counter negate it, still there. You can even cast healing springs inside of a negate if you are standing outside of the negate.

Was this intended or something I missed in a patch notes somewhere?

It definitely makes negate less OP than it was, but just curious. It definitely took some tools away from smaller groups and promotes less thoughtful play and usage of ultimates, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was intended.

Sounds like something ZOS would do. They don't like people to have to think to be successful in this game anymore.

Also what is the point of Negate if it doesn't clear ground effects? I'd consider that a more core purpose than its silence.

For how long have you noticed this change? Negating an enemy Negate hasn't cleared them for a while, but I did notice Elemental Blockades being cleared this past week. Haven't played but for a minute since the maintenance patch this morning, though.

Hektik_V

Magus wrote: »

Maybe I missed it in the patch notes somewhere, but I noticed a few weeks ago that the negate ultimate no longer removes enemy ground effects. Enemy standard there, negate it, it's still there. Enemy negate, counter negate it, still there. You can even cast healing springs inside of a negate if you are standing outside of the negate.

Was this intended or something I missed in a patch notes somewhere?

It definitely makes negate less OP than it was, but just curious. It definitely took some tools away from smaller groups and promotes less thoughtful play and usage of ultimates, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was intended.

Negate only removes ground effects that were cast prior to the negate. Any new effects can be place in the negate if you're outside of it. Or if you're stamina you can just freely go about your day.

DKsUnite

Hektik_V wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

Maybe I missed it in the patch notes somewhere, but I noticed a few weeks ago that the negate ultimate no longer removes enemy ground effects. Enemy standard there, negate it, it's still there. Enemy negate, counter negate it, still there. You can even cast healing springs inside of a negate if you are standing outside of the negate.

Was this intended or something I missed in a patch notes somewhere?

It definitely makes negate less OP than it was, but just curious. It definitely took some tools away from smaller groups and promotes less thoughtful play and usage of ultimates, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was intended.

Negate only removes ground effects that were cast prior to the negate. Any new effects can be place in the negate if you're outside of it. Or if you're stamina you can just freely go about your day.

Which is so ***. I prefer the old negates where you were doomed inside them and couldn't cast anything

Anazasi

Negates have a few undocumented changes and has a few broken mechanics including graphics still. I would like to see this get cleaned up and corrected. Although i doubt ZOS will spend any real time working on.

I said this when it was announced that negate was returning to its original form, (or close to it) that it was going to be the number 1 ulti in pvp. If you are not running 3 sorcs in your groups you are doing it wrong.

Sanct16

Negate removes all ground effects except banners.

Valencer

Does it actually still remove enemy negates? Had some issues with that in group play a while ago.

Anazasi

the old mechanic was you can negate a negate but you can only have 2 negates overlapping. Hence the call double negate.

Its a serious practice that use to be very deadly to manage.

Magus

Hektik_V wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

Maybe I missed it in the patch notes somewhere, but I noticed a few weeks ago that the negate ultimate no longer removes enemy ground effects. Enemy standard there, negate it, it's still there. Enemy negate, counter negate it, still there. You can even cast healing springs inside of a negate if you are standing outside of the negate.

Was this intended or something I missed in a patch notes somewhere?

It definitely makes negate less OP than it was, but just curious. It definitely took some tools away from smaller groups and promotes less thoughtful play and usage of ultimates, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was intended.

Negate only removes ground effects that were cast prior to the negate. Any new effects can be place in the negate if you're outside of it. Or if you're stamina you can just freely go about your day.

Ah interesting, hard to keep track of the changes. You used to be able to not cast any ground effects in negates but that was a long time ago. It used to clear ground effects and prevent new ground effects from being cast in it. That's a separate thing though.

It used to remove enemy negates, novas, standards but it doesn't seem to anymore. I noticed this when VE was still running, so had to have been over a month ago. Raid lead would say negate the standard, and then it would not get removed. It might have been a Thieve's Guild change but with how hard negates are to see in lag, I can see how there is confusion. Counter negates had also been less effective, not removing the enemy negate, so both sides were just dispelled aside from stamina users.

Magus

Sanct16 wrote: »

Negate removes all ground effects except banners.

It used to, so that's why I wonder when the change happened.

Magus

Valencer wrote: »

Does it actually still remove enemy negates? Had some issues with that in group play a while ago.

From my experience, no. Negates do not remove enemy negates anymore. Again, think this happened sometime between TG patch and DB patch in an incremental patch.

OtarTheMad

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

Maybe I missed it in the patch notes somewhere, but I noticed a few weeks ago that the negate ultimate no longer removes enemy ground effects. Enemy standard there, negate it, it's still there. Enemy negate, counter negate it, still there. You can even cast healing springs inside of a negate if you are standing outside of the negate.

Was this intended or something I missed in a patch notes somewhere?

It definitely makes negate less OP than it was, but just curious. It definitely took some tools away from smaller groups and promotes less thoughtful play and usage of ultimates, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was intended.

Negate only removes ground effects that were cast prior to the negate. Any new effects can be place in the negate if you're outside of it. Or if you're stamina you can just freely go about your day.

Which is so ***. I prefer the old negates where you were doomed inside them and couldn't cast anything

Agreed. I like the damage morph and all but would be nice to also have the old negate.