Allow your game to be immersive. (regarding player housing)

CherryCake

Zos, while we understand that each company has its struggles, I would like to touch a sensitive topic in the hopes that you will listen.
Everything in game lately feels, kind of empty... I dont feel like I am earning anything, I dont feel as if it is that immersive for a rpg (appearance change for example).

Someone has stated how unfair it would be if player housing becomes something only purchasable by crowns and I couldnt agree more. It is a GAME in the end. Its not an online shop, I want to EARN my characters house, I want to be able to speak with a NPC and pay him in gold.
I have NO hope whatsoever that player housing will be purchasable with in game gold besides crowns but at least try to listen to your community. Add a little hut with a hairdresser! Allow us to talk to a NPC and tell him to work his magic in transforming us in a different race, anything that your creative minds can come up with.


Talk to us as well, explain your struggles and the reasoning behind making everything so expensive lately while not giving much in return. I think the people that stuck by you, supporting the company besides all the bugs, deserve at least an answer. Tell us why did you completely ignore most of the ideas from @Gidorick `s thread , why dont you listen to your community? Is it even WORTH for us to stick here on the forum? For what? To be completely ignored? What is the reason behind this?

Smasherx74

tl;dr no.

I want DCUO housing method, have home instances so you can have multiple people staying at the same place.

ESO has too much of a wealth gap, all the millionaires would just buy out the housing easily. If they were limited to like a 10k cap bid or something then maybe it would work, but I just don't see ZoS doing that.

Elsonso

Well, you will be able to earn your house. You go to work every day, which lets you bring a paycheck home. Sign that paycheck over to ZOS and they give you Crowns for it, which you take to the Crown Store and go crazy!

Who says you won't earn your house?

CherryCake

@Smasherx74 I dont know what DCUO even is to be honest so I dont really understand what you are trying to tell me xD. And you mean in game millionaires? Making around lets say 40.000 to buy a house is expensive? Go grind for 3 hours, get some legendary items sell them and you are done.

Milvan

Concerning housing, I'm expecting something like instanced house system for players and non-instanced guild halls similar to guild traders both purchaseable with gold and crowns. But most likely will get only instanced housing for ESO+ only.

CherryCake

@lordrichter I was expecting for a troll like you xDDD... that completely ignores everything else I talked about which is allowing the game to feel like a game and more immersive instead of an online shop xDDD

CherryCake

Milvan wrote: »

Concerning housing, I'm expecting something like instanced house system for players and non-instanced guild halls similar to guild traders both purchaseable with gold and crowns. But most likely will get only instanced housing for ESO+ only.

I doubt they will do that they will probably not even give it to subs, they will just charge like 10.000 crowns for it and done ...

Lysette

Smasherx74 wrote: »

tl;dr no.

I want DCUO housing method, have home instances so you can have multiple people staying at the same place.

ESO has too much of a wealth gap, all the millionaires would just buy out the housing easily. If they were limited to like a 10k cap bid or something then maybe it would work, but I just don't see ZoS doing that.

Exactly - I have seen the drama with housing in ArcheAge, where bots grabbed the spots and resold that spot then with or without a house at a horrendous price. Instancing houses is the way to go, but please pay as well attention to that the decoration in the garden area is instanced as well (not sure, how you will handle the visibility from the outside with it though), but people will want to decorate their own gardens and make it really their personal home. Think of the success of building tools in Fallout 4 - this made an extremely good game an awesome one - try to be awesome as well, ZOS, please.

CherryCake

Lysette wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

tl;dr no.

I want DCUO housing method, have home instances so you can have multiple people staying at the same place.

ESO has too much of a wealth gap, all the millionaires would just buy out the housing easily. If they were limited to like a 10k cap bid or something then maybe it would work, but I just don't see ZoS doing that.

Exactly - I have seen the drama with housing in ArcheAge, where bots grabbed the spots and resold that spot then with or without a house at a horrendous price. Instancing houses is the way to go, but please pay as well attention to that the decoration in the garden area is instanced as well (not sure, how you will handle the visibility from the outside with it though), but people will want to decorate their own gardens and make it really their personal home. Think of the success of building tools in Fallout 4 - this made an extremely good game an awesome one - try to be awesome as well, ZOS, please.

I really dont know how that works to be honest since I never played any of those games but what I think ZOS will do is, they put a house in each major city, where everybody enters but it goes in the same system as taking a "solo quest"... I dont see ZOS constructing houses around or even a new city in the way FF14 did it. Its too much work for ZOS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BOuIMMDKgQ

Milvan

Lysette wrote: »

Exactly - I have seen the drama with housing in ArcheAge(...)

LOL

On my first comment I was going to talk about the AA experience but I deleted it.

Elsonso

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

@lordrichter I was expecting for a troll like you xDDD... that completely ignores everything else I talked about which is allowing the game to feel like a game and more immersive instead of an online shop xDDD

I would much rather have something in the game world where stuff could be earned, or paid for with gold, and not a Crown Store interface. The reality of the game is that Crown Store will be central and integral to any housing solution.

Like @Gidorick, I am starting to get weary of how ZOS is using the Crown Store to nerf the overall game design and toss game design in the trash to better feature the Crown Store.

It's not even fun anymore to speculate on different cool things that ZOS could do with the game. When the Crown Store is the answer to everything, it does not leave a lot of room for anything else. We already have a pretty good idea what ZOS is gonna do.

CherryCake

lordrichter wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

@lordrichter I was expecting for a troll like you xDDD... that completely ignores everything else I talked about which is allowing the game to feel like a game and more immersive instead of an online shop xDDD

I would much rather have something in the game world where stuff could be earned, or paid for with gold, and not a Crown Store interface. The reality of the game is that Crown Store will be central and integral to any housing solution.

Like @Gidorick, I am starting to get weary of how ZOS is using the Crown Store to nerf the overall game design and toss game design in the trash to better feature the Crown Store.

It's not even fun anymore to speculate on different cool things that ZOS could do with the game. When the Crown Store is the answer to everything, it does not leave a lot of room for anything else. We already have a pretty good idea what ZOS is gonna do.

THATS WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IN MY BROKEN ENGRISH

Robbmrp

I as well would like to be able to earn my house with in game gold but if that's not possible I doubt I will get one. I only use Crowns for DLC's and nothing else. If I can't buy a house with in game gold then nothing about the game will change really from how it is now. There's nothing that a house in ESO will be able to give me that I currently can't do without.

maboleth

Wait... who said it will be crown-only item? Any proof?

Milvan

maboleth wrote: »

Wait... who said it will be crown-only item? Any proof?

No official information yet.

DenMoria

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Zos, while we understand that each company has its struggles, I would like to touch a sensitive topic in the hopes that you will listen.
Everything in game lately feels, kind of empty... I dont feel like I am earning anything, I dont feel as if it is that immersive for a rpg (appearance change for example).

Someone has stated how unfair it would be if player housing becomes something only purchasable by crowns and I couldnt agree more. It is a GAME in the end. Its not an online shop, I want to EARN my characters house, I want to be able to speak with a NPC and pay him in gold.
I have NO hope whatsoever that player housing will be purchasable with in game gold besides crowns but at least try to listen to your community. Add a little hut with a hairdresser! Allow us to talk to a NPC and tell him to work his magic in transforming us in a different race, anything that your creative minds can come up with.


Talk to us as well, explain your struggles and the reasoning behind making everything so expensive lately while not giving much in return. I think the people that stuck by you, supporting the company besides all the bugs, deserve at least an answer. Tell us why did you completely ignore most of the ideas from @Gidorick `s thread , why dont you listen to your community? Is it even WORTH for us to stick here on the forum? For what? To be completely ignored? What is the reason behind this?

You expect an MMO to be immersive? I've played ESO since it's release and, if this is any example, MMOs are about the furthest thing you can get from immersive.

Elsonso

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

@lordrichter I was expecting for a troll like you xDDD... that completely ignores everything else I talked about which is allowing the game to feel like a game and more immersive instead of an online shop xDDD

I would much rather have something in the game world where stuff could be earned, or paid for with gold, and not a Crown Store interface. The reality of the game is that Crown Store will be central and integral to any housing solution.

Like @Gidorick, I am starting to get weary of how ZOS is using the Crown Store to nerf the overall game design and toss game design in the trash to better feature the Crown Store.

It's not even fun anymore to speculate on different cool things that ZOS could do with the game. When the Crown Store is the answer to everything, it does not leave a lot of room for anything else. We already have a pretty good idea what ZOS is gonna do.

THATS WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IN MY BROKEN ENGRISH

I know.

Smasherx74

Lysette wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

tl;dr no.

I want DCUO housing method, have home instances so you can have multiple people staying at the same place.

ESO has too much of a wealth gap, all the millionaires would just buy out the housing easily. If they were limited to like a 10k cap bid or something then maybe it would work, but I just don't see ZoS doing that.

Exactly - I have seen the drama with housing in ArcheAge, where bots grabbed the spots and resold that spot then with or without a house at a horrendous price. Instancing houses is the way to go, but please pay as well attention to that the decoration in the garden area is instanced as well (not sure, how you will handle the visibility from the outside with it though), but people will want to decorate their own gardens and make it really their personal home. Think of the success of building tools in Fallout 4 - this made an extremely good game an awesome one - try to be awesome as well, ZOS, please.

Cyrodill should have housing as well but make the expensive houses closer to the Faction wayshrines, and cheaper ones closer to the imperial city you get. The cheap ones would be less safe/less protection, maybe even make it so different factions can claim these houses near the Imperial City.

ZoS could do both easily.

randolphbenoit

Houses in Skyrim addon Hearthfire was great where u could build the house. I like see housing open to all and have to be built, if not a crafter you can hire via gold an contractor to build for you (npc or crafter player). Crown option for those want an instant house (pre-built)

either way houses should look same for all, how you decorate up to you. Items like window curtains and rugs could be same as the current costume dye system

point I want make is ZOS needs money but must not fail the community as it has with over pricing

Elsonso

randolphbenoit wrote: »

Houses in Skyrim addon Hearthfire was great where u could build the house. I like see housing open to all and have to be built, if not a crafter you can hire via gold an contractor to build for you (npc or crafter player). Crown option for those want an instant house (pre-built)

either way houses should look same for all, how you decorate up to you. Items like window curtains and rugs could be same as the current costume dye system

point I want make is ZOS needs money but must not fail the community as it has with over pricing

I would love to see a variety of in-game immersion options, gold options, and Crown options for Housing, too. Given how they have done mounts, costumes, costumes, costume recolor, styles parlor, and hair, I certainly think that anything about Housing that does not require Crowns or ESO Plus is definitely outside the likelyhood of happening.

As Housing is at least as popular as the barbershop, I expect that nothing about a house will drop below 1000 Crowns, and for that you will probably get a "rug pack" of a few rugs that already appear in the game. If my priority was to bring the Crown Store into the game design, it is what I would do.

maboleth

Actually there's no point speculating if we don't know a thing. ESO is full of tiny little details already, so immersion is right there.

CherryCake

maboleth wrote: »

Actually there's no point speculating if we don't know a thing. ESO is full of tiny little details already, so immersion is right there.

There is a point to it, the crown store is getting more and more expensive, so I am asking them IN ADVANCE to not do that for the housing, but I can assure you they will listen to me in the same way they listened to anyone elses opinion. If they ask around 3000 for a race change, how much will they charge for a house? 10.000? And charging that amount of money to change the appearance without even adding something like an npc somewhere you can talk with?

For me, even if it is another company, this is still an elder scrolls game. If Zos cant meet the expectations then they shouldnt have made it in the first place, and created their own little fantasy story, and leave another company capable enough to meet the expectations of a TES game. Including capes. Heck even skyrim had better capes than this.

I_killed_Vivec

Buy a house for crowns, purchase furniture with in game gold.

Let's face it, while we'd all prefer to have every DLC for free, developers need to be paid, servers need to be maintained and greedy capitalist shareholders will demand a share of the profit..

If you want new stuff you have to pay for it with cash.

maboleth

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

maboleth wrote: »

Actually there's no point speculating if we don't know a thing. ESO is full of tiny little details already, so immersion is right there.

If they ask around 3000 for a race change, how much will they charge for a house? 10.000?

There's a reason for 3k. Imagine if it was free or cheap. I can see bunch of people (and trolls) changing races on daily basis. Character changing probably effects the server as well. Because I remember ZOS saying that char changing wasn't that easy to implement, even though it seemed so effortless.
Personally, I was against race changing, as it's a non-RP element. If you are born as an orc, well, you're an orc. You can change your name, even your face or sex, but you're still an orc. Live with your choice. If not, create another char for free. That's why I think it costs 3k. To prevent everyone from changing it for fun.

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

For me, even if it is another company, this is still an elder scrolls game. If Zos cant meet the expectations then they shouldnt have made it in the first place, and created their own little fantasy story, and leave another company capable enough to meet the expectations of a TES game. Including capes. Heck even skyrim had better capes than this.

Probably your personal taste, because I do see lots of effort and love that Zenimax/Bethesda put into ESO. That being said, I understand your concern over houses. I too wish they will be awarded, not crown store items. OR make them available for store as well, but also as a in-game prize (similar to horses, wolf bites and so on).

CherryCake

@maboleth I know, but for example the appearance change token(s)? Are not even tokens you pay to change your character ONCE for 1000 crowns? And most of the time when we go in world our characters look a ton different than in the character creation. Why is that bad?
I am not saying I dont like the game, I do like it, but it truly does concern me on the path that it is going... I have no hope that they implement anything regarding RP that can be achievable in game, but if they do that, then probably not many people would buy them with crowns so they choose money over what their customers want.

CherryCake

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Buy a house for crowns, purchase furniture with in game gold.

Let's face it, while we'd all prefer to have every DLC for free, developers need to be paid, servers need to be maintained and greedy capitalist shareholders will demand a share of the profit..

If you want new stuff you have to pay for it with cash.

Dont get me wrong, I am all for supporting the game otherwise I wouldnt sub while I play, and I am not expecting dlcs for free, thats obvious, but I do expect to have things that I can get IN GAME instead of everything in the crown store like visiting an online shop.

Daemons_Bane

It IS possible to chance race in the game, usually through magic and rituals.. so it's not that lore breaking