I wish Velidreth were magicka.

KenaPKK

Magicka DKs and nightblade melee builds would have more kill potential. Heck, templar wouldn't be over the top with it, and it would even through dual wield sorc a bone if they get up close. It's not like stam needed more burst anyway. Just a thought I had while doing the dungeon.

Xsorus

It has the same damage as Valkyn scoria right now if I recall; remember it's got a 10 second cooldown vs 5 on VS

KenaPKK

Xsorus wrote: »

It has the same damage as Valkyn scoria right now if I recall; remember it's got a 10 second cooldown vs 5 on VS

True. Valkyn isn't great on mageblade, though, which is where I was thinking from. Also Vel is super cool looking.

I think I'm just butthurt that stam got another 1pc weapon damage and I still don't get my 1pc max magicka, magicka regen, or spell crit.

Elong

Good

Asmael

SRIBES wrote: »

Ya

good.

__

High potential on this set, got a 12k tooltip on stam DK.

Really want to try Veli x2, Black Rose x5, Viper's Sting x5. When both of these proc... Kaaaaaaabooooom.

Now I just need to get a Maelstrom 2H, a sharpened Viper sword and a decent shield >.> Let the grind begin...

Hashtag_

You have vicious death.

arkansas_ESO

Hashtag_ wrote: »

You have vicious death.

And stam has Heem-Jas' and Reverse Slice now, so zerg-bombing is no longer a magic-only thing.

susmitds

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

You have vicious death.

And stam has Heem-Jas' and Reverse Slice now, so zerg-bombing is no longer a magic-only thing.

Heem-Jas is useless.

Xsorus

KenaPKK wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

It has the same damage as Valkyn scoria right now if I recall; remember it's got a 10 second cooldown vs 5 on VS

True. Valkyn isn't great on mageblade, though, which is where I was thinking from. Also Vel is super cool looking.

I think I'm just butthurt that stam got another 1pc weapon damage and I still don't get my 1pc max magicka, magicka regen, or spell crit.

You can proc it via Crippling Pretty Easily, Personally this set will be used mostly on Medium Armor Melee Stam Builds I think.

Most Stam Heavy Armor Dk's will not drop Malubeth for it, damage is less but the extra survivablity is required for the Heavy Armor Builds.

KenaPKK

Xsorus wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

It has the same damage as Valkyn scoria right now if I recall; remember it's got a 10 second cooldown vs 5 on VS

True. Valkyn isn't great on mageblade, though, which is where I was thinking from. Also Vel is super cool looking.

I think I'm just butthurt that stam got another 1pc weapon damage and I still don't get my 1pc max magicka, magicka regen, or spell crit.

You can proc it via Crippling Pretty Easily, Personally this set will be used mostly on Medium Armor Melee Stam Builds I think.

Most Stam Heavy Armor Dk's will not drop Malubeth for it, damage is less but the extra survivablity is required for the Heavy Armor Builds.

Valkyn never seems to proc for me. T_T Having only one dot to trigger it makes it feel so much slower than it looks when magicka DKs wear it. You're right, though. I should go back and test it again.

On that note, WTB Agony buffs and a meta where Refreshing Path can be useful...

caeliusstarbreaker

@KenaPKK
5 winter born
2valkin
Mael destro resto?

Armitas

This is the first monster set to pick a build type as previous sets were max health, weapon and spell damage, stam recovery, and health recovery. I don't know why they don't just add spell samage to it like we said on pts.

KenaPKK

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

@KenaPKK
5 winter born
2valkin
Mael destro resto?

I don't like Winterborne because it puts me in a position of choosing between the raw stats of Willpower and the survivability of impen. Destro mageblade tanks with hots, so impen is important. But the damage from the Winterborne proc is minimal against well built or mobile players, making it less valuable than Willpower. It's a gimmick set.

That said, you're right that mageblade needs ground AoEs to trigger frequent Valkyn procs, and that an ice staff would provide the lockdown necessary to make use of those in PvP.

I still don't like the immobile play style of ground AoEs in PvP though. This kind of setup would work well in close quarters and perhaps in duels, but not so much open world.

Heck, what mageblade build is good in open world these days, though? The only other mageblades I see around these days cling pretty hard to groups.

Vangy

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

You have vicious death.

And stam has Heem-Jas' and Reverse Slice now, so zerg-bombing is no longer a magic-only thing.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA.

Wait your joking right? In case you werent;

susmitds wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

You have vicious death.

And stam has Heem-Jas' and Reverse Slice now, so zerg-bombing is no longer a magic-only thing.

Heem-Jas is useless.

KisoValley

KenaPKK wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

@KenaPKK
5 winter born
2valkin
Mael destro resto?

I don't like Winterborne because it puts me in a position of choosing between the raw stats of Willpower and the survivability of impen. Destro mageblade tanks with hots, so impen is important. But the damage from the Winterborne proc is minimal against well built or mobile players, making it less valuable than Willpower. It's a gimmick set.

That said, you're right that mageblade needs ground AoEs to trigger frequent Valkyn procs, and that an ice staff would provide the lockdown necessary to make use of those in PvP.

I still don't like the immobile play style of ground AoEs in PvP though. This kind of setup would work well in close quarters and perhaps in duels, but not so much open world.

Heck, what mageblade build is good in open world these days, though? The only other mageblades I see around these days cling pretty hard to groups.

@Blobsky was running a vMA destro + winterborn setup and he was wrecking faces with it on stream and in vids @KenaPKK

Ghostbane

This set hits like a dry fart on stamina, would absolutely tickle on magicka.

Kas

Xsorus wrote: »

It has the same damage as Valkyn scoria right now if I recall; remember it's got a 10 second cooldown vs 5 on VS

and it's possible to not hit at all. however, I really like velidreth (or tbh I don't link it, but i think it's strong), because the bigger a burst, the more likely to get your enemy into trouble.

plus, it seems pretty nice in pve on stambuilds. I don't have trouble hitting more than one orb in pve

KenaPKK

KisoValley wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

@KenaPKK
5 winter born
2valkin
Mael destro resto?

I don't like Winterborne because it puts me in a position of choosing between the raw stats of Willpower and the survivability of impen. Destro mageblade tanks with hots, so impen is important. But the damage from the Winterborne proc is minimal against well built or mobile players, making it less valuable than Willpower. It's a gimmick set.

That said, you're right that mageblade needs ground AoEs to trigger frequent Valkyn procs, and that an ice staff would provide the lockdown necessary to make use of those in PvP.

I still don't like the immobile play style of ground AoEs in PvP though. This kind of setup would work well in close quarters and perhaps in duels, but not so much open world.

Heck, what mageblade build is good in open world these days, though? The only other mageblades I see around these days cling pretty hard to groups.

@Blobsky was running a vMA destro + winterborn setup and he was wrecking faces with it on stream and in vids @KenaPKK

"But da streamer doe."

I'm well aware, and it was not an optimal build. He ran it because it was unordinary and excited his stream, which he was pushing heavily at the time.

arkansas_ESO

Vangy wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

You have vicious death.

And stam has Heem-Jas' and Reverse Slice now, so zerg-bombing is no longer a magic-only thing.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA.

Wait your joking right? In case you werent;

susmitds wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

You have vicious death.

And stam has Heem-Jas' and Reverse Slice now, so zerg-bombing is no longer a magic-only thing.

Heem-Jas is useless.

IMO Heem-Jas' has it's merits, but even if you completely ignore that set's existence, you can't deny the strength of Dawnbreaker+Reverse Slice.

KisoValley

KenaPKK wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

@KenaPKK
5 winter born
2valkin
Mael destro resto?

I don't like Winterborne because it puts me in a position of choosing between the raw stats of Willpower and the survivability of impen. Destro mageblade tanks with hots, so impen is important. But the damage from the Winterborne proc is minimal against well built or mobile players, making it less valuable than Willpower. It's a gimmick set.

That said, you're right that mageblade needs ground AoEs to trigger frequent Valkyn procs, and that an ice staff would provide the lockdown necessary to make use of those in PvP.

I still don't like the immobile play style of ground AoEs in PvP though. This kind of setup would work well in close quarters and perhaps in duels, but not so much open world.

Heck, what mageblade build is good in open world these days, though? The only other mageblades I see around these days cling pretty hard to groups.

@Blobsky was running a vMA destro + winterborn setup and he was wrecking faces with it on stream and in vids @KenaPKK

"But da streamer doe."

I'm well aware, and it was not an optimal build. He ran it because it was unordinary and excited his stream, which he was pushing heavily at the time.

He got to the semis of MP's dueling tournament with that build and probably would have got to the final if he didn't make a mistake.

He's a good player, I've been told you're a good player. Good players can make it work.

Blobsky

KenaPKK wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

@KenaPKK
5 winter born
2valkin
Mael destro resto?

I don't like Winterborne because it puts me in a position of choosing between the raw stats of Willpower and the survivability of impen. Destro mageblade tanks with hots, so impen is important. But the damage from the Winterborne proc is minimal against well built or mobile players, making it less valuable than Willpower. It's a gimmick set.

That said, you're right that mageblade needs ground AoEs to trigger frequent Valkyn procs, and that an ice staff would provide the lockdown necessary to make use of those in PvP.

I still don't like the immobile play style of ground AoEs in PvP though. This kind of setup would work well in close quarters and perhaps in duels, but not so much open world.

Heck, what mageblade build is good in open world these days, though? The only other mageblades I see around these days cling pretty hard to groups.

@Blobsky was running a vMA destro + winterborn setup and he was wrecking faces with it on stream and in vids @KenaPKK

"But da streamer doe."

I'm well aware, and it was not an optimal build. He ran it because it was unordinary and excited his stream, which he was pushing heavily at the time.

It actually was optimal, I beat every player apart from Dusk and thae thor 1 v 1 with that. Malcolm was always close same as a few others. Thae thor was a superb stamplar, if I had played my best I think it would have also been very close there too, but pushed an execute too fast so got rekt

KenaPKK

Blobsky wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

@KenaPKK
5 winter born
2valkin
Mael destro resto?

I don't like Winterborne because it puts me in a position of choosing between the raw stats of Willpower and the survivability of impen. Destro mageblade tanks with hots, so impen is important. But the damage from the Winterborne proc is minimal against well built or mobile players, making it less valuable than Willpower. It's a gimmick set.

That said, you're right that mageblade needs ground AoEs to trigger frequent Valkyn procs, and that an ice staff would provide the lockdown necessary to make use of those in PvP.

I still don't like the immobile play style of ground AoEs in PvP though. This kind of setup would work well in close quarters and perhaps in duels, but not so much open world.

Heck, what mageblade build is good in open world these days, though? The only other mageblades I see around these days cling pretty hard to groups.

@Blobsky was running a vMA destro + winterborn setup and he was wrecking faces with it on stream and in vids @KenaPKK

"But da streamer doe."

I'm well aware, and it was not an optimal build. He ran it because it was unordinary and excited his stream, which he was pushing heavily at the time.

It actually was optimal, I beat every player apart from Dusk and thae thor 1 v 1 with that. Malcolm was always close same as a few others. Thae thor was a superb stamplar, if I had played my best I think it would have also been very close there too, but pushed an execute too fast so got rekt

I wouldn't call that optimal, then. You're plenty capable of winning those fights. Even still, you can make anything work in a duel, and duels go back and forth. Objectively speaking, your stats were lower than they could have been because of the lack of impen and certain crafted sets, you didn't layer hots for defense despite using Malubeth (pre-bugs) and a vma resto, and you didn't use an execute.

Honestly I would like to see you compare playing your Winterborne build to a Kag's + Valkyn + vma ice staff build. You'll lose Malubeth in return for impen and extra health, and you'll gain a bit of damage from Valkyn > Winterborne procs and Kag's greater spell damage.

Or you could go the other direction and make better use of Malubeth. Sub out Winterborne for Twilight's Embrace, slap path and regen on the bars, and you've got all impen, more health, 3 layered hots up all the time ticking for ~1.2k, 2k, and 2.5k crits respectively with the only loss being the Winterborne procs. This build is way more survivable while still retaining kill potential on all but the tankiest of dudes if you use Impale.

Your Winterborne build worked because you are a good player. You played it 1vX against less skilled players in open world, and you played it in controlled duels. I remember watching your videos when you were hyping this thing up just shaking my head, surprised when you died to groups that I had fully expected you to kill. Destro mageblade has way greater potential than Winterborne and your bar setup were capable of.

Blobsky

KenaPKK wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

@KenaPKK
5 winter born
2valkin
Mael destro resto?

I don't like Winterborne because it puts me in a position of choosing between the raw stats of Willpower and the survivability of impen. Destro mageblade tanks with hots, so impen is important. But the damage from the Winterborne proc is minimal against well built or mobile players, making it less valuable than Willpower. It's a gimmick set.

That said, you're right that mageblade needs ground AoEs to trigger frequent Valkyn procs, and that an ice staff would provide the lockdown necessary to make use of those in PvP.

I still don't like the immobile play style of ground AoEs in PvP though. This kind of setup would work well in close quarters and perhaps in duels, but not so much open world.

Heck, what mageblade build is good in open world these days, though? The only other mageblades I see around these days cling pretty hard to groups.

@Blobsky was running a vMA destro + winterborn setup and he was wrecking faces with it on stream and in vids @KenaPKK

"But da streamer doe."

I'm well aware, and it was not an optimal build. He ran it because it was unordinary and excited his stream, which he was pushing heavily at the time.

It actually was optimal, I beat every player apart from Dusk and thae thor 1 v 1 with that. Malcolm was always close same as a few others. Thae thor was a superb stamplar, if I had played my best I think it would have also been very close there too, but pushed an execute too fast so got rekt

I wouldn't call that optimal, then. You're plenty capable of winning those fights. Even still, you can make anything work in a duel, and duels go back and forth. Objectively speaking, your stats were lower than they could have been because of the lack of impen and certain crafted sets, you didn't layer hots for defense despite using Malubeth (pre-bugs) and a vma resto, and you didn't use an execute.

Honestly I would like to see you compare playing your Winterborne build to a Kag's + Valkyn + vma ice staff build. You'll lose Malubeth in return for impen and extra health, and you'll gain a bit of damage from Valkyn > Winterborne procs and Kag's greater spell damage.

Or you could go the other direction and make better use of Malubeth. Sub out Winterborne for Twilight's Embrace, slap path and regen on the bars, and you've got all impen, more health, 3 layered hots up all the time ticking for ~1.2k, 2k, and 2.5k crits respectively with the only loss being the Winterborne procs. This build is way more survivable while still retaining kill potential on all but the tankiest of dudes if you use Impale.

Your Winterborne build worked because you are a good player. You played it 1vX against less skilled players in open world, and you played it in controlled duels. I remember watching your videos when you were hyping this thing up just shaking my head, surprised when you died to groups that I had fully expected you to kill. Destro mageblade has way greater potential than Winterborne and your bar setup were capable of.

Stats isn't everything, the proc is enormous and intense consistent damage, I'd love the opinion of some of my oponents on the pressure I put on people - the dps is incredible, its even 'reasonable' pve dps. Impen didn't matter, I rolldodged to the level of a stambuild, and I wanted scoria not malubeth - even used it at the end, just had *** luck
No need for an execute with merciless hitting 70% health

I fought the same build in kag on some good duelers, winterborne dominated


Malubeth is not the build, winterborne is - many of the best sorcs including @Hexys are using it currently (he made the build completely separate to me by the way, I think neither realised the other farmed) and he dominates as a sorc.

KenaPKK

Blobsky wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

@KenaPKK
5 winter born
2valkin
Mael destro resto?

I don't like Winterborne because it puts me in a position of choosing between the raw stats of Willpower and the survivability of impen. Destro mageblade tanks with hots, so impen is important. But the damage from the Winterborne proc is minimal against well built or mobile players, making it less valuable than Willpower. It's a gimmick set.

That said, you're right that mageblade needs ground AoEs to trigger frequent Valkyn procs, and that an ice staff would provide the lockdown necessary to make use of those in PvP.

I still don't like the immobile play style of ground AoEs in PvP though. This kind of setup would work well in close quarters and perhaps in duels, but not so much open world.

Heck, what mageblade build is good in open world these days, though? The only other mageblades I see around these days cling pretty hard to groups.

@Blobsky was running a vMA destro + winterborn setup and he was wrecking faces with it on stream and in vids @KenaPKK

"But da streamer doe."

I'm well aware, and it was not an optimal build. He ran it because it was unordinary and excited his stream, which he was pushing heavily at the time.

It actually was optimal, I beat every player apart from Dusk and thae thor 1 v 1 with that. Malcolm was always close same as a few others. Thae thor was a superb stamplar, if I had played my best I think it would have also been very close there too, but pushed an execute too fast so got rekt

I wouldn't call that optimal, then. You're plenty capable of winning those fights. Even still, you can make anything work in a duel, and duels go back and forth. Objectively speaking, your stats were lower than they could have been because of the lack of impen and certain crafted sets, you didn't layer hots for defense despite using Malubeth (pre-bugs) and a vma resto, and you didn't use an execute.

Honestly I would like to see you compare playing your Winterborne build to a Kag's + Valkyn + vma ice staff build. You'll lose Malubeth in return for impen and extra health, and you'll gain a bit of damage from Valkyn > Winterborne procs and Kag's greater spell damage.

Or you could go the other direction and make better use of Malubeth. Sub out Winterborne for Twilight's Embrace, slap path and regen on the bars, and you've got all impen, more health, 3 layered hots up all the time ticking for ~1.2k, 2k, and 2.5k crits respectively with the only loss being the Winterborne procs. This build is way more survivable while still retaining kill potential on all but the tankiest of dudes if you use Impale.

Your Winterborne build worked because you are a good player. You played it 1vX against less skilled players in open world, and you played it in controlled duels. I remember watching your videos when you were hyping this thing up just shaking my head, surprised when you died to groups that I had fully expected you to kill. Destro mageblade has way greater potential than Winterborne and your bar setup were capable of.

Stats isn't everything, the proc is enormous and intense consistent damage, I'd love the opinion of some of my oponents on the pressure I put on people - the dps is incredible, its even 'reasonable' pve dps. Impen didn't matter, I rolldodged to the level of a stambuild, and I wanted scoria not malubeth - even used it at the end, just had *** luck
No need for an execute with merciless hitting 70% health

I fought the same build in kag on some good duelers, winterborne dominated


Malubeth is not the build, winterborne is - many of the best sorcs including @Hexys are using it currently (he made the build completely separate to me by the way, I think neither realised the other farmed) and he dominates as a sorc.

Eh, I played with Winterborne shortly after Orsi launched with and without jewelry, trying out different things with Malu and Engine and Valkyn and kena, and I just don't feel it performing the way you describe. The damage was hardly "enormous," and greater pressure can be applied with other methods, such as Valkyn. I've fought the same types of 1vX groups and the same caliber of duelists with it and felt stronger using other sets. Might be user preference. I have also fought against a ton of people using this build since you publicized it, and it's never felt intimidating to me. TLDR in my own experience and in your videos, I just don't see the set shine like you say it has been for you. Oh wells. Still was cool to see you publicizing cloakless staff mageblade. It's been nice seeing more of those around since.

Yoyuyi999

2 piece is fine. The 1 piece is weird though. Why give weapon damage and not spell damage alongside it like Kena. Why give it damage at all, it's not like stamina builds struggled on damage lol

Hashtag_

Set is garbage right now, I don't think it's that good of a set to begin with anyway.

Vaoh

Hashtag_ wrote: »

Set is garbage right now, I don't think it's that good of a set to begin with anyway.

Have you tried it, or did you just read the tooltip? -_-

I've seen it in action. It's a great set for almost anything.

Lucky28

I would prefer a buff to nerien'eth. my favorite monster set by a long shot but the proc rate when not using crushing shock/force pulse is trash.

Ishammael

Hashtag_ wrote: »

Set is garbage right now, I don't think it's that good of a set to begin with anyway.

????
The set is great, both numbers and functionality.

KenaPKK

Lucky28 wrote: »

I would prefer a buff to nerien'eth. my favorite monster set by a long shot but the proc rate when not using crushing shock/force pulse is trash.

This would be cool! It's pretty garbage in PvP. My problem is the length of the delay before the proc detonates, though. It is basically only good for forcing a dodge roll.

Lucky28

KenaPKK wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

I would prefer a buff to nerien'eth. my favorite monster set by a long shot but the proc rate when not using crushing shock/force pulse is trash.

This would be cool! It's pretty garbage in PvP. My problem is the length of the delay before the proc detonates, though. It is basically only good for forcing a dodge roll.

it's a pretty situational set. i love nerien'eth when i'm up against multiple players stacked on top of eachother they don't see the lich crystal pop up in the middle of them and that thing can hit pretty hard.

but in 1v1. you can forget about hitting anyone with it.