Vigor Changes

Coalter

Just a heads up to everyone out there casting vigor now takes you out of stealth as well as breaks cloak, the sound has been made incredibly high pitched and rather unbearable as well.

Were these two things intentional?
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Solariken

Casting Vigor SHOULD take you out of stealth IMO, it's an AoE heal. I hope it was an intentional change.

Can't comment on the sound yet as the patch is still downloading for me.

leeux

Really? I always found it highly unbalanced that stam builds can pre-buff to their heart content before engaging.
Great change, if it's intentional, that is. I really hope it is.

And yes, I'm highly biased against stam build, like other players in this forum are biased towards them... at least, I recognize and accept it as a fact

Coalter

I'm not against it, Just some acknowledgement would be nice, this wasn't mentioned in any notes I saw.

Paraflex

Im happy with this change.

twistedmonk

just remove Vigor altogether

Tormy

twistedmonk wrote: »

just remove Vigor altogether

Yea remove all heals and shields!

dodgehopper_ESO

Please no obnoxious sounds.

Master_Kas

Vigor healing should be nerfed by 25-50% compared to what it is now. Stamina builds already have the best evasion/defense with shuffle and dodgeroll, while also having the best burst damage on top of healing better than every magicka spec in the game except magicka templar? Balance my ass xD

Before you cry about healingward, I rather have vigor (which would be as strong as it is on stam builds atm) on my magblade than healingward.

Strider_Roshin

Master_Kas wrote: »

Vigor healing should be nerfed by 25-50% compared to what it is now. Stamina builds already have the best evasion/defense with shuffle and dodgeroll, while also having the best burst damage on top of healing better than every magicka spec in the game except magicka templar? Balance my ass xD

Before you cry about healingward, I rather have vigor (which would be as strong as it is on stam builds atm) on my magblade than healingward.

I hope you're never placed in a position where you have to make decisions. Your judgement is terrible.

Master_Kas

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Vigor healing should be nerfed by 25-50% compared to what it is now. Stamina builds already have the best evasion/defense with shuffle and dodgeroll, while also having the best burst damage on top of healing better than every magicka spec in the game except magicka templar? Balance my ass xD

Before you cry about healingward, I rather have vigor (which would be as strong as it is on stam builds atm) on my magblade than healingward.

I hope you're never placed in a position where you have to make decisions. Your judgement is terrible.

Let me guess, you play a shuffeling stam build?

Btw I hope the same for you if you don't think stam builds are overtuned atm.

Ah wait aren't you the one who claimed MagDK and MagNB are better than StamDK/StamNB atm? No need to send you a serious reply then.

Coalter

Master_Kas wrote: »

Vigor healing should be nerfed by 25-50% compared to what it is now. Stamina builds already have the best evasion/defense with shuffle and dodgeroll, while also having the best burst damage on top of healing better than every magicka spec in the game except magicka templar? Balance my ass xD

Before you cry about healingward, I rather have vigor (which would be as strong as it is on stam builds atm) on my magblade than healingward.

While it's great that you have an opinion, unfortunately this is just a thread to ask the devs if the changes outlined above were intended and to let them know the sound bite is now very annoying.

Enjoy your night!

Strider_Roshin

Master_Kas wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Vigor healing should be nerfed by 25-50% compared to what it is now. Stamina builds already have the best evasion/defense with shuffle and dodgeroll, while also having the best burst damage on top of healing better than every magicka spec in the game except magicka templar? Balance my ass xD

Before you cry about healingward, I rather have vigor (which would be as strong as it is on stam builds atm) on my magblade than healingward.

I hope you're never placed in a position where you have to make decisions. Your judgement is terrible.

Let me guess, you play a shuffeling stam build?

Btw I hope the same for you if you don't think stam builds are overtuned atm.

Ah wait aren't you the one who claimed MagDK and MagNB are better than StamDK/StamNB atm? No need to send you a serious reply then.

Ah you're referring to the one comment that I made which mirrored that legendary mage guy's comment for the purpose of pointing out how such statements carry no weight. I can see why that went over your head.

Master_Kas

Coalter wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Vigor healing should be nerfed by 25-50% compared to what it is now. Stamina builds already have the best evasion/defense with shuffle and dodgeroll, while also having the best burst damage on top of healing better than every magicka spec in the game except magicka templar? Balance my ass xD

Before you cry about healingward, I rather have vigor (which would be as strong as it is on stam builds atm) on my magblade than healingward.

While it's great that you have an opinion, unfortunately this is just a thread to ask the devs if the changes outlined above were intended and to let them know the sound bite is now very annoying.

Enjoy your night!

They are intended which they stated some weeks ago. That healing while being invisible/sneaking isn't intended. Don't know why rally still works when invisible tough. To tired to dig the statement up, it's out there somewhere. Enjoy your night too

Strider_Roshin

Solariken wrote: »

Casting Vigor SHOULD take you out of stealth IMO, it's an AoE heal. I hope it was an intentional change.

Can't comment on the sound yet as the patch is still downloading for me.

I can rationalize that. However, spiked armor should also break stealth IMO.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Master_Kas wrote: »

Vigor healing should be nerfed by 25-50% compared to what it is now. Stamina builds already have the best evasion/defense with shuffle and dodgeroll, while also having the best burst damage on top of healing better than every magicka spec in the game except magicka templar? Balance my ass xD

Before you cry about healingward, I rather have vigor (which would be as strong as it is on stam builds atm) on my magblade than healingward.

That is a horrible idea.......

Forestd16b14_ESO

So vigor takes you out of stealth but every other healing spell in the game can still be used stealthed...... well looks like magicka users whining is starting to get to the devs.

Strider_Roshin

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So vigor takes you out of stealth but every other healing spell in the game can still be used stealthed...... well looks like magicka users whining is starting to get to the devs.

I agree, it really should be consistent. Personally I never understood why GDB takes you out of stealth but Spiked armor didn't.

Master_Kas

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So vigor takes you out of stealth but every other healing spell in the game can still be used stealthed...... well looks like magicka users whining is starting to get to the devs.

Which healing spell doesn't break stealth?

Healing ward, blessing of resto, mutagen, healing springs, breath of life, sorcs Dark deal, all breaks stealth. Except rally for some reason.

SleepyTroll

YES. You should not be able t9 cast an are heal while in stealth.

hobicabobjob

Also came here wondering about this. The high pitched tones are unbearable, and vigor taking me out of stealth surprised me, since it wasn't in the notes. Hopefully its a bug.

LegacyDM

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So vigor takes you out of stealth but every other healing spell in the game can still be used stealthed...... well looks like magicka users whining is starting to get to the devs.

Wrong. Healing ward cannot be used in stealth and is the only viable heal for magicka in the game. Unless your a Templar but this thread is about night blades specifically.

LegacyDM

Master_Kas wrote: »

Vigor healing should be nerfed by 25-50% compared to what it is now. Stamina builds already have the best evasion/defense with shuffle and dodgeroll, while also having the best burst damage on top of healing better than every magicka spec in the game except magicka templar? Balance my ass xD

Before you cry about healingward, I rather have vigor (which would be as strong as it is on stam builds atm) on my magblade than healingward.

Amen @Wrobel

Vangy

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Vigor healing should be nerfed by 25-50% compared to what it is now. Stamina builds already have the best evasion/defense with shuffle and dodgeroll, while also having the best burst damage on top of healing better than every magicka spec in the game except magicka templar? Balance my ass xD

Before you cry about healingward, I rather have vigor (which would be as strong as it is on stam builds atm) on my magblade than healingward.

I hope you're never placed in a position where you have to make decisions. Your judgement is terrible.

Yeah he makes wrobel look like a balancing-demigod.....

As for vigor changes, I find that this was much needed. Hate those pesky nbs who fear>cloak>vigor and come back with full hp for a round 2 of ganking......

dashima

I don't mind Vigor breaking stealth now but is change to it breaking cloak intentional? It seems more like an oversight while they were trying to fix all the other things that were breaking cloak, esp because it was not listed in the patch notes. Rally is unaffected, for whatever reason.

Will take some time getting used to. Every patch comes a new version of cloak, lol.

Sythias

@ZOS_GinaBruno Bump for justice. Any news on if this is intended?

Moglijuana

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Casting Vigor SHOULD take you out of stealth IMO, it's an AoE heal. I hope it was an intentional change.

Can't comment on the sound yet as the patch is still downloading for me.

I can rationalize that. However, spiked armor should also break stealth IMO.

Why? Shuffle doesn't break stealth, or immovable, or harness, or double take, which all give similar buffs to spiked armor...

ZOS_GinaBruno

The change to Vigor's functionality is intended, and we apologize for missing the patch note for it. Vigor will now remove you from sneak or invisibility when cast, and we've updated the Live patch notes to reflect this change.

The high-pitched audio sound that you're hearing is not intended, though, and we're currently investigating that issue.

cschwingeb14_ESO

Master_Kas wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So vigor takes you out of stealth but every other healing spell in the game can still be used stealthed...... well looks like magicka users whining is starting to get to the devs.

Which healing spell doesn't break stealth?

Healing ward, blessing of resto, mutagen, healing springs, breath of life, sorcs Dark deal, all breaks stealth. Except rally for some reason.

Beneficial spells that affect someone other than yourself break stealth. Self buffs don't break stealth. Rally, Evasion, Surge, Double Take, etc are all self-only.

Dark Deal is self-only, but it has a cast time, so it breaks stealth at the end of the cast like all cast-time spells.

Hurricane is self only, but pulses AE damage, so casting it breaks stealth. Quick cloak and DK armor probably reveal you for the same reason.

Hardened Ward affects your pets, so it's flagged to break stealth even if you have no pets. Which I had always hated

*disclaimer: Just posting the "rules" as I see them.

Coalter

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The change to Vigor's functionality is intended, and we apologize for missing the patch note for it. Vigor will now remove you from sneak or invisibility when cast, and we've updated the Live patch notes to reflect this change.

The high-pitched audio sound that you're hearing is not intended, though, and we're currently investigating that issue.

Thank you for the informative response

Strider_Roshin

Moglijuana wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Casting Vigor SHOULD take you out of stealth IMO, it's an AoE heal. I hope it was an intentional change.

Can't comment on the sound yet as the patch is still downloading for me.

I can rationalize that. However, spiked armor should also break stealth IMO.

Why? Shuffle doesn't break stealth, or immovable, or harness, or double take, which all give similar buffs to spiked armor...

You burst out spikes, and do AoE damage. That's why.