About those 4 new motifs...

imnotanother

Is anyone else disappointed to hear that 2 of them are attached to a daily quest and they will only, occasionally drop?

Also, @ZOS_GinaBruno could you help me with an answer, will the Dro-m'artha motif drop from Normal mode's quest or only Veteran?

Chapters of the dro-m'Athra style motif - or, rarely, the full Motif Book - can be obtained by completing the quest to clear the Maw of Lorkhaj.
Defiled Whiskers, the Style Item for the dro-m’Athra style, can be obtained from the quest to clear the Maw of Lorkhaj, or from defeating the bosses of the Maw of Lorkhaj - rarely on Normal mode, guaranteed from every boss on Veteran mode, and with multiples from Rakkhat on Veteran Hard mode.

Cinbri

Wonder that too. Achieve in game say that it obtainable from weekly reward container.

Vaoh

Should be from the quest. As far as we know, difficultly will not affect page drops. They will, however, affect how many style materials you get.

....Unless they forgot and need to clarify it better for us.

Taleof2Cities

imnotanother wrote: »

Is anyone else disappointed to hear that 2 of them are attached to a daily quest and they will only, occasionally drop?

Having the motif chance tied with the Daily Quest coffer (similar to Trinimac) puts an end to the rampant boss camping that was the bane of the first month of the Dark Brotherhood.

If you're disappointed, then you have those players to thank. I would list some of the worst offenders on PC NA ... but that goes against naming and shaming in the forums.

A good change to make it fair for all players.

imnotanother

Doncellius wrote: »

Should be from the quest. As far as we know, difficultly will not affect page drops. They will, however, affect how many style materials you get.

....Unless they forgot and need to clarify it better for us.

I am assuming it from both because no one will have that motif and chapters would go for a cool million.

Nifty2g

I am going to be rich

GarnetFire17

DB motifs are going to be tied to the DB dailies right?

imnotanother

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

DB motifs are going to be tied to the DB dailies right?

DB pages are rewarded when you complete a Black Sacrament.

RavenRoxie

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Is anyone else disappointed to hear that 2 of them are attached to a daily quest and they will only, occasionally drop?

Having the motif chance tied with the Daily Quest coffer (similar to Trinimac) puts an end to the rampant boss camping that was the bane of the first month of the Dark Brotherhood.

If you're disappointed, then you have those players to thank. I would list some of the worst offenders on PC NA ... but that goes against naming and shaming in the forums.

A good change to make it fair for all players.

I am a proud offender. I spent many many hours farming those sweet coast bosses to get Assassain motif's for my boyfriend and would happily do it again. lol

On the real though, the daily quest for motifs is pretty lame to me but I see why some are happy about it too.

Taleof2Cities

RavenRoxie wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Is anyone else disappointed to hear that 2 of them are attached to a daily quest and they will only, occasionally drop?

Having the motif chance tied with the Daily Quest coffer (similar to Trinimac) puts an end to the rampant boss camping that was the bane of the first month of the Dark Brotherhood.

If you're disappointed, then you have those players to thank. I would list some of the worst offenders on PC NA ... but that goes against naming and shaming in the forums.

A good change to make it fair for all players.

I am a proud offender. I spent many many hours farming those sweet coast bosses to get Assassain motif's for my boyfriend and would happily do it again. lol

On the real though, the daily quest for motifs is pretty lame to me but I see why some are happy about it too.

You inspired a change to make the game better ... hats off to you!

imnotanother

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Is anyone else disappointed to hear that 2 of them are attached to a daily quest and they will only, occasionally drop?

Having the motif chance tied with the Daily Quest coffer (similar to Trinimac) puts an end to the rampant boss camping that was the bane of the first month of the Dark Brotherhood.

If you're disappointed, then you have those players to thank. I would list some of the worst offenders on PC NA ... but that goes against naming and shaming in the forums.

A good change to make it fair for all players.

I see where you are coming from but these quest are only a "once a day" quest. I play 1 character so I get one chance a day to possibly get a page.

Wrothgar, you could do multiple quest a day. It wasn't bad at all.

Look at the drop rate of Abah's Watch pages. I average a page about every 10
Laundered Shipments I open. But I can do an infinite amount of those a day.

Hopefully the drop rate is a lot better for these motifs.

No one wants to do the Gold Coast daily bounty quest 100 + times.

Taleof2Cities

imnotanother wrote: »

I see where you are coming from but these quest are only a "once a day" quest. I play 1 character so I get one chance a day to possibly get a page.

Wrothgar, you could do multiple quest a day. It wasn't bad at all.

Look at the drop rate of Abah's Watch pages. I average a page about every 10
Laundered Shipments I open. But I can do an infinite amount of those a day.

Hopefully the drop rate is a lot better for these motifs.

No one wants to do the Gold Coast daily bounty quest 100 + times.

There's a difference between the most convenient way for some players and the fairest way for all players ...

These are crafting motifs and shouldn't be handed out like candy.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

imnotanother wrote: »

Wrothgar, you could do multiple quest a day. It wasn't bad at all.

Not for Trinimac. Though the drop rate was still good enough that I got the entire thing myself, without having to buy a chapter and only running two characters, so no, not bad.

imnotanother

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

I see where you are coming from but these quest are only a "once a day" quest. I play 1 character so I get one chance a day to possibly get a page.

Wrothgar, you could do multiple quest a day. It wasn't bad at all.

Look at the drop rate of Abah's Watch pages. I average a page about every 10
Laundered Shipments I open. But I can do an infinite amount of those a day.

Hopefully the drop rate is a lot better for these motifs.

No one wants to do the Gold Coast daily bounty quest 100 + times.

There's a difference between the most convenient way for some players and the fairest way for all players ...

These are crafting motifs and shouldn't be handed out like candy.

Who said they should be handed out?
How is this more "fair" than the previous model? Ex: 1 account may have 8 characters do it. Another account may only play 1.

2 of the styles share the same Quest board as a source. So you have an occasional chance to get Minotaur/order of the hour to drop, every other day. Lets just say it drops as often as Abah's watch motifs, it would take around 140 quest to get 14 pages(you know duplicates will happen) x 2. So it could take up to 280 days to get both of these books.

That is insane.

imnotanother

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno

Still looking for clarification about Dro-m"artha motif. Does it drop every time we complete the trial or is it only rewarded in the weekly coffer?

Cinbri

Ye, it drop form weekly reward container from talking with npc after killing last boss. However it bugged for me and no container.

ZoM_Head

imnotanother wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno

Still looking for clarification about Dro-m"artha motif. Does it drop every time we complete the trial or is it only rewarded in the weekly coffer?

PTS notes suggested normal or vet MOL quest hand in. So farmable.....

Brrrofski

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Wrothgar, you could do multiple quest a day. It wasn't bad at all.

Not for Trinimac. Though the drop rate was still good enough that I got the entire thing myself, without having to buy a chapter and only running two characters, so no, not bad.

If trinimac is the world boss one, you can do 4 a day per character. Just group up and share the quests.

Carbonised

I am somewhat ambivalent about the drops on the new motifs.

On one hand, I don't really like farming behaviour. The motifs from the Gold Coast world bosses were already being farmed extensively to the point of having 10+ players camping there for hours and days on end.
Same thing happened in Hew's Bane, which prevents anyone else from getting a shot at the bosses, and seems like a very aggressive form of behaviour.

On the other hand, having motifs tied to daily quests, like Wrothgar delves, and now Gold Coast dailies, creates a somewhat unfair advantage for those who play a large amount of alts, versus those of us that play only a single character.
And perhaps even worse, it creates an economy where motif pages are scarce, and thus prices skyrocket.

What I would like to see was something like motifs from bosses having a cooldown of 1-2 hours at least. Meaning after you had gotten a motif page from a boss drop, the chance of getting another would be 0 % for 1-2 hours or more. Preventing excessive farming of bosses.

Daily quests could also have their drop increased, I'd say at least 70-80 %, to ensure that you got a motif from them most of the time, since these are one use only per day. RNG would still make sure that it would take several days to obtain the full motif, since you don't get a motif every day, and since you can get duplicates.

E-Zekiel

Drop rates are too uncommon given the daily barrier, imo. I did perfect black sacraments on three characters, didn't get one motif. For the TG motifs, perfect heists would reward them about 80% of the time, and I only farmed them on one character and got the pieces I wanted in the span of about a week.

With 0/3 on my first day and really only wanting two particular pieces, I really hope this isn't indicative of the general drop rate. Given that perfect Black Sacraments are waaaaay easier than perfect heists, I can understand TG motifs having a high drop rate, but I think the drop rate for a BS motif should be at least 50%. At LEAST.

imnotanother

E-Zekiel wrote: »

Drop rates are too uncommon given the daily barrier, imo. I did perfect black sacraments on three characters, didn't get one motif. For the TG motifs, perfect heists would reward them about 80% of the time, and I only farmed them on one character and got the pieces I wanted in the span of about a week.

With 0/3 on my first day and really only wanting two particular pieces, I really hope this isn't indicative of the general drop rate. Given that perfect Black Sacraments are waaaaay easier than perfect heists, I can understand TG motifs having a high drop rate, but I think the drop rate for a BS motif should be at least 50%. At LEAST.

I am saddened to hear this news. I thought it would be a guaranteed drop for the Black Sacraments (like the heist).

Adding 4 motifs with this system is going to make every page be sold for 100k + gold (ps4).

Plus, put new pages in the new content. I hate having to go back and farm dailies in an old zone that has nothing much to offer.

Cinbri

@ZOS_GinaBruno there is some unknown bug when some people don't receiving weekly container from nMoL with new style from npc. For people like me, without twinks, it making painfull to get motif that drop once per weak for char, especially if it bugged and not drops.

daemonios

E-Zekiel wrote: »

For the TG motifs, perfect heists would reward them about 80% of the time

In my experience, perfect heists had 100% motif drop rate. I did them every day for 2 weeks on 3 characters, motif always dropped. I don't mind lower drop rates, but I have to say I absolutely hate daily quests. The only dailies that make sense to me are PvP ones and writs. Motif should be found by exploring the world, as they used to be in the beginning before the whole "pages" nonsense.

daemonios

imnotanother wrote: »

put new pages in the new content. I hate having to go back and farm dailies in an old zone that has nothing much to offer.

Not a coincidence. They did the same with DB, putting motifs in the Thieves Guild zone to sell a few more DLC to non-subscribers who hadn't already bought it for some reason but still wanted the motifs.

imnotanother

@daemonios
I know, just complaining. I thought maybe 1 motif would drop from these dungeons but that will probably start happening in the fall lol

Carbonised

Actually I like putting new content in older zones. It makes them not die out too fast, and frankly, it made sense to put Trinimac and Malacath in Wrothgar, and Dark Brotherhood, Order of the Hour and Minotaur in Gold Coast. Why would they put those motifs in Black Marsh dungeons? Would make no sense.

On the other hand, I already wrote that hiding the motifs behind daily quests would make prices skyrocket. Well I was right. 10k for a single style stone, and 100k to 500k for a single motif page is now the reality on PC EU server. Sure prices will drop a bit later on when they are more abundant, but it's still fustrating that you have to farm your dailies for like half a year real life to be able to get them all due to RNG, or pay in the vicinity of several millions to finish off a motif style. And for those of us who are not loaded with gold to just throw away on anything, that is quite a lot of gold.

daemonios

Carbonised wrote: »

Actually I like putting new content in older zones. It makes them not die out too fast, and frankly, it made sense to put Trinimac and Malacath in Wrothgar, and Dark Brotherhood, Order of the Hour and Minotaur in Gold Coast. Why would they put those motifs in Black Marsh dungeons? Would make no sense.

On the other hand, I already wrote that hiding the motifs behind daily quests would make prices skyrocket. Well I was right. 10k for a single style stone, and 100k to 500k for a single motif page is now the reality on PC EU server. Sure prices will drop a bit later on when they are more abundant, but it's still fustrating that you have to farm your dailies for like half a year real life to be able to get them all due to RNG, or pay in the vicinity of several millions to finish off a motif style. And for those of us who are not loaded with gold to just throw away on anything, that is quite a lot of gold.

You should be farming them now and selling them to fill your pockets, then farm or buy them for yourself when the hype is over

imnotanother

Motifs have made me into a multimillionaire. That is why I like earning/learning them as fast as possible.

Carbonised

daemonios wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Actually I like putting new content in older zones. It makes them not die out too fast, and frankly, it made sense to put Trinimac and Malacath in Wrothgar, and Dark Brotherhood, Order of the Hour and Minotaur in Gold Coast. Why would they put those motifs in Black Marsh dungeons? Would make no sense.

On the other hand, I already wrote that hiding the motifs behind daily quests would make prices skyrocket. Well I was right. 10k for a single style stone, and 100k to 500k for a single motif page is now the reality on PC EU server. Sure prices will drop a bit later on when they are more abundant, but it's still fustrating that you have to farm your dailies for like half a year real life to be able to get them all due to RNG, or pay in the vicinity of several millions to finish off a motif style. And for those of us who are not loaded with gold to just throw away on anything, that is quite a lot of gold.

You should be farming them now and selling them to fill your pockets, then farm or buy them for yourself when the hype is over

You know, that's exactly the kind of trollish behavious that I will never be a part of. I have gotten pages of all new motifs now, and I have used them all myself instead of selling them for exorbitant prices, same with the style mats.

If everyone would just not buy stuff at these rediculous prices, people would be forced to sell them much lower, and loose their gold for putting them up in guild stores.

But this is just one rational person speaking against a sea of people who 'just want to be first with everything' and flaunt it in other's faces. Well good riddance, I've used my own motifs myself, and I will just not bother buying any until the hype is over. Human behaviour at its lowest.

daemonios

Carbonised wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Actually I like putting new content in older zones. It makes them not die out too fast, and frankly, it made sense to put Trinimac and Malacath in Wrothgar, and Dark Brotherhood, Order of the Hour and Minotaur in Gold Coast. Why would they put those motifs in Black Marsh dungeons? Would make no sense.

On the other hand, I already wrote that hiding the motifs behind daily quests would make prices skyrocket. Well I was right. 10k for a single style stone, and 100k to 500k for a single motif page is now the reality on PC EU server. Sure prices will drop a bit later on when they are more abundant, but it's still fustrating that you have to farm your dailies for like half a year real life to be able to get them all due to RNG, or pay in the vicinity of several millions to finish off a motif style. And for those of us who are not loaded with gold to just throw away on anything, that is quite a lot of gold.

You should be farming them now and selling them to fill your pockets, then farm or buy them for yourself when the hype is over

You know, that's exactly the kind of trollish behavious that I will never be a part of. I have gotten pages of all new motifs now, and I have used them all myself instead of selling them for exorbitant prices, same with the style mats.

If everyone would just not buy stuff at these rediculous prices, people would be forced to sell them much lower, and loose their gold for putting them up in guild stores.

But this is just one rational person speaking against a sea of people who 'just want to be first with everything' and flaunt it in other's faces. Well good riddance, I've used my own motifs myself, and I will just not bother buying any until the hype is over. Human behaviour at its lowest.

How is this trolling? Some people are sitting on unimaginable piles of gold and don't mind paying a premium to get the motifs on the first few days. After a while demand goes down and supply goes up, bringing down prices to some sort of equilibrium. You do know it takes effort and luck to farm these motifs in the first place, right?

Epona222

imnotanother wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Is anyone else disappointed to hear that 2 of them are attached to a daily quest and they will only, occasionally drop?

Having the motif chance tied with the Daily Quest coffer (similar to Trinimac) puts an end to the rampant boss camping that was the bane of the first month of the Dark Brotherhood.

If you're disappointed, then you have those players to thank. I would list some of the worst offenders on PC NA ... but that goes against naming and shaming in the forums.

A good change to make it fair for all players.

I see where you are coming from but these quest are only a "once a day" quest. I play 1 character so I get one chance a day to possibly get a page.

Wrothgar, you could do multiple quest a day. It wasn't bad at all.

Look at the drop rate of Abah's Watch pages. I average a page about every 10
Laundered Shipments I open. But I can do an infinite amount of those a day.

Hopefully the drop rate is a lot better for these motifs.

No one wants to do the Gold Coast daily bounty quest 100 + times.

It's no different in that regard than the Trinimac motif pages from Wrothgar - you can't even share those daily delve quests, so the only way of getting the Trinimac motif quickly was either to run the max number of characters through the daily, or buy the pages from guild stores. Malacath motif came from the world boss quests, which were shareable, so you could do all of them in 1 day on the same character if you were grouped and sharing the quest.