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Negate(Not a whining-thread).

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Lieblingsjunge
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Heyo!
So, uh. Today - yesterday - the day before - the past weeks, the negates have started to get to me. Not in the way of "omfg it's unbreakable omfgomgomfgomfgom", but in the way of...
IS IT MY NEGATE? Is it AD's Negate? DC's Negate? EP's Negate?

Am I the only around here with a serious problem telling a friendly negate from an enemy negate? :s

A possible solution: Make it purple-yellow-ish for AD, Blue-purple-ish for DC, Red-Purple-ish for EP. Like, add highlights or make a fluffy ball of mixed alliance colour + purple.
I like the effect - I like how it looks, but just make something change?

Or add a flag on the ground inside of it. Like AD-flag for AD-negate etc. (Kinda like the DK-Standard, but with a flag on the ground :neutral:)

I'm just a Tiny Liebs, I need to know my negates apart :'(:'(

Edit: Same goes for Sorc-Mines.
Edited by Lieblingsjunge on August 2, 2016 8:12PM
Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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Lieblingsjunge(AD) - Racechanged Argonian :< | AR 50 - No double AP or Bleakers involved |
Sits-On-Cacti(DC) - Problem?
Fail-With-Tail(AD) - Healing Springs-spammer :<
Tiny Liebs(EP) - Very Tiny. Also heals.
Lieblingsmädchen(DC) - Magplar is love.
The Dominàtrix(AD) - Chains, whip, whip, whip.
Fluffy Furball Kitten(DC) - Kittycat, meow.
Your Face(EP) - People make bad jokes about my name =(
Liebs-With-Trees(AD) - Male argo with a big tail :>

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  • KisoValley
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    Decent.
  • hrothbern
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    Lieblingsjunge wrote: »
    Heyo!
    So, uh. Today - yesterday - the day before - the past weeks, the negates have started to get to me. Not in the way of "omfg it's unbreakable omfgomgomfgomfgom", but in the way of...
    IS IT MY NEGATE? Is it AD's Negate? DC's Negate? EP's Negate?

    Am I the only around here with a serious problem telling a friendly negate from an enemy negate? :s

    A possible solution: Make it purple-yellow-ish for AD, Blue-purple-ish for DC, Red-Purple-ish for EP. Like, add highlights or make a fluffy ball of mixed alliance colour + purple.
    I like the effect - I like how it looks, but just make something change?

    Or add a flag on the ground inside of it. Like AD-flag for AD-negate etc. (Kinda like the DK-Standard, but with a flag on the ground :neutral:)

    I'm just a Tiny Liebs, I need to know my negates apart :'(:'(

    Same issue with the Sorc Mines
    "I still do not understand why I followed the advice of Captain Rana to bring the villagers of Bleakrock into safety. We should have fought for our village and not have backed down, with our tail between our legs. Now my home village is in shambles, the houses burning, the invaders feasting.I swear every day to Shor that after Molag Bal has been defeated, I will hunt down the invaders and restore peace in Bleakrock and drink my mead with my friends at the market place".PC-EU
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Hmm if you color them like that then a AD EP DC Negate would form into

    tumblr_m316bh9Xea1qbc9hgo1_500.jpg
  • Lieblingsjunge
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    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    Hmm if you color them like that then a AD EP DC Negate would form into

    tumblr_m316bh9Xea1qbc9hgo1_500.jpg

    Rainbow-bubbles, I like it.
    Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
    PC - EU.
    Lieblingsjunge(AD) - Racechanged Argonian :< | AR 50 - No double AP or Bleakers involved |
    Sits-On-Cacti(DC) - Problem?
    Fail-With-Tail(AD) - Healing Springs-spammer :<
    Tiny Liebs(EP) - Very Tiny. Also heals.
    Lieblingsmädchen(DC) - Magplar is love.
    The Dominàtrix(AD) - Chains, whip, whip, whip.
    Fluffy Furball Kitten(DC) - Kittycat, meow.
    Your Face(EP) - People make bad jokes about my name =(
    Liebs-With-Trees(AD) - Male argo with a big tail :>

    Officer/Sandwitch of Zerg Squad
    My title: The Maneater, Destroyer of Maneuvers, Bane of Potatoes, she who devours them, The Black Hole, the humorless, first of her name.
  • Omgwtfbbq321
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    WTB Negate stamina....

    But seriously, it would help to know if it is friendly or not. Considering it takes a full second and a half after leaving a Negate to be able to cast again.
    My ping is higher than your resource recovery...
  • Dracane
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    Don't want to spread wrong informations, but wasn't this fixed on the pts together with the moving negate field ?
    Not sure.

    But I agree, the red circle is missing on live and this makes it hard to tell if it's mine or an evil one.
    On the other hand, I feel like pugs in pvp just stay within the field, because they don't see the red circle and believe that it's nothing harmfull :) I would vote for not fixing this.
    Auri-El is my lord,
    Trinimac is my shield,
    Magnus is my mind.
  • psychotic13
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    Dracane wrote: »
    Don't want to spread wrong informations, but wasn't this fixed on the pts together with the moving negate field ?
    Not sure.

    But I agree, the red circle is missing on live and this makes it hard to tell if it's mine or an evil one.
    On the other hand, I feel like pugs in pvp just stay within the field, because they don't see the red circle and believe that it's nothing harmfull :) I would vote for not fixing this.

    Really? I have the exact opposite problem, they think the enemies cast it or something and don't go anywhere near it! (In terms of my allies)
  • Dracane
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    psychotic13 wrote: »
    Dracane wrote: »
    Don't want to spread wrong informations, but wasn't this fixed on the pts together with the moving negate field ?
    Not sure.

    But I agree, the red circle is missing on live and this makes it hard to tell if it's mine or an evil one.
    On the other hand, I feel like pugs in pvp just stay within the field, because they don't see the red circle and believe that it's nothing harmfull :) I would vote for not fixing this.

    Really? I have the exact opposite problem, they think the enemies cast it or something and don't go anywhere near it! (In terms of my allies)

    Awww hahaha people are so cute *-*
    Hm I just find the sound of negate to be scary when it is cast. But one look on my ability bar tells me, if it is a friendly negate or an evil one.
    Auri-El is my lord,
    Trinimac is my shield,
    Magnus is my mind.
  • Draxys
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    Omgwtfbbq321 wrote: »
    WTB Negate stamina....

    But seriously, it would help to know if it is friendly or not. Considering it takes a full second and a half after leaving a Negate to be able to cast again.

    Seriously, this is my main issue with it. I can clearly see that my characters feet are outside the negate, yet I still can't cast anything. Considering the size of negates, this is a real problem for magicka builds who have to dodge twice sometimes just to get far enough away.

    And there are even more visual issues with negate apart from highly inaccurate circles on the ground and not being able to tell who the hell cast it.

    Sometimes, they're completely invisible. Sometimes, they stick to the caster and move around with them. I've heard that this can both make the negate useless and actually make a mobile negate. It's just seriously screwed up like most everything in this game.
    2013

    rip decibel
  • Dracane
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    Draxys wrote: »
    Omgwtfbbq321 wrote: »
    WTB Negate stamina....

    But seriously, it would help to know if it is friendly or not. Considering it takes a full second and a half after leaving a Negate to be able to cast again.

    Seriously, this is my main issue with it. I can clearly see that my characters feet are outside the negate, yet I still can't cast anything. Considering the size of negates, this is a real problem for magicka builds who have to dodge twice sometimes just to get far enough away.

    And there are even more visual issues with negate apart from highly inaccurate circles on the ground and not being able to tell who the hell cast it.

    Sometimes, they're completely invisible. Sometimes, they stick to the caster and move around with them. I've heard that this can both make the negate useless and actually make a mobile negate. It's just seriously screwed up like most everything in this game.

    That's because negate applies a debuff to you that lasts for 1 second.
    This debuff is reapplied frequently when inside the field. So if you leave the field, the debuffs duration has to end first.
    Auri-El is my lord,
    Trinimac is my shield,
    Magnus is my mind.
  • mook-eb16_ESO
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    There are also animation bugs with negate, where the negate moves with you after you or the person you cast it on or is invisible all together, so all you can see is that some enemies are taking damage (if damage type negate): this is why I wouldn't choose the healing type as well in pvp. These bugs need to be sorted before actually seeing if it an enemy negate or not. The problem is that are so many bugs in pvp, that if you cant see the negate you wonder , is this server lag or am I in a negate when you cant use your skills. I didn't have these problems either until the properties of the negate were changed. Just more slap dash programing by the zennimax team. I think the number of bugs is growing not diminishing. grrr
  • VoiDGhOs7
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    The moving negate is still in the game it doesn't happen as often as before but during lag situations it happens almost 100% of times and the effect of negate moves with you.
    And as Op suggested,it's a good idea to change the colors of negate based on alliance color so it would be easier to understand if it's a friendly negate or an enemy one because most of times the red circle of enemy negates are hard to see, and color change should affect negate only in pvp,for pve the color should stay as now.
    Edited by VoiDGhOs7 on August 1, 2016 1:01PM
  • Lieblingsjunge
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    Dracane wrote: »
    Don't want to spread wrong informations, but wasn't this fixed on the pts together with the moving negate field ?
    Not sure.

    But I agree, the red circle is missing on live and this makes it hard to tell if it's mine or an evil one.
    On the other hand, I feel like pugs in pvp just stay within the field, because they don't see the red circle and believe that it's nothing harmfull :) I would vote for not fixing this.

    Well, pugs & players that ain't pugs is a different story. I mean, pugs stand in siege fire, too. The only difference is that on siege fire, you see the red circle(usually). Negate is such a game-changer, fighting solo/duo/in a small group, so it would be nice to have something to tell them apart. There are situations when it's obvious it's an enemy negate, cus you know there's no allies near you, but sometimes it's hard to tell imo :D

    But it's just a design-feature, but it would be nice if they did something to it.
    Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
    PC - EU.
    Lieblingsjunge(AD) - Racechanged Argonian :< | AR 50 - No double AP or Bleakers involved |
    Sits-On-Cacti(DC) - Problem?
    Fail-With-Tail(AD) - Healing Springs-spammer :<
    Tiny Liebs(EP) - Very Tiny. Also heals.
    Lieblingsmädchen(DC) - Magplar is love.
    The Dominàtrix(AD) - Chains, whip, whip, whip.
    Fluffy Furball Kitten(DC) - Kittycat, meow.
    Your Face(EP) - People make bad jokes about my name =(
    Liebs-With-Trees(AD) - Male argo with a big tail :>

    Officer/Sandwitch of Zerg Squad
    My title: The Maneater, Destroyer of Maneuvers, Bane of Potatoes, she who devours them, The Black Hole, the humorless, first of her name.
  • Lieblingsjunge
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    Updated first post. Added Sorc Mines to first-post, thanks to @hrothbern.
    Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
    PC - EU.
    Lieblingsjunge(AD) - Racechanged Argonian :< | AR 50 - No double AP or Bleakers involved |
    Sits-On-Cacti(DC) - Problem?
    Fail-With-Tail(AD) - Healing Springs-spammer :<
    Tiny Liebs(EP) - Very Tiny. Also heals.
    Lieblingsmädchen(DC) - Magplar is love.
    The Dominàtrix(AD) - Chains, whip, whip, whip.
    Fluffy Furball Kitten(DC) - Kittycat, meow.
    Your Face(EP) - People make bad jokes about my name =(
    Liebs-With-Trees(AD) - Male argo with a big tail :>

    Officer/Sandwitch of Zerg Squad
    My title: The Maneater, Destroyer of Maneuvers, Bane of Potatoes, she who devours them, The Black Hole, the humorless, first of her name.
  • Cathexis
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    I think a UI option to colour ground effects in general by alliance colour would be a massive step forward for the game.
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  • Lieblingsjunge
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    Cathexis wrote: »
    I think a UI option to colour ground effects in general by alliance colour would be a massive step forward for the game.

    Yes! That would help things :>
    Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
    PC - EU.
    Lieblingsjunge(AD) - Racechanged Argonian :< | AR 50 - No double AP or Bleakers involved |
    Sits-On-Cacti(DC) - Problem?
    Fail-With-Tail(AD) - Healing Springs-spammer :<
    Tiny Liebs(EP) - Very Tiny. Also heals.
    Lieblingsmädchen(DC) - Magplar is love.
    The Dominàtrix(AD) - Chains, whip, whip, whip.
    Fluffy Furball Kitten(DC) - Kittycat, meow.
    Your Face(EP) - People make bad jokes about my name =(
    Liebs-With-Trees(AD) - Male argo with a big tail :>

    Officer/Sandwitch of Zerg Squad
    My title: The Maneater, Destroyer of Maneuvers, Bane of Potatoes, she who devours them, The Black Hole, the humorless, first of her name.
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