Cyrodiil resource towers.

Michaelus

Please could you do something with these towers? Rework, or rebalance, or fix it somehow that hostile cannot be locked in your tower. Or make it permanently open, or anything.

Thanks

ScruffyWhiskers

Get rid of the door so you can fire siege straight into the bottom level. It would hasten the end of potato farming.

Roechacca

No thanks.

juhasman

Noone forces people to enter the tower full of enemies. Dont go inside so they'll be forced to go outside due to 0 AP gained. If someone goes to the tower with plenty of enemeis inside with siege weapons etc it's his fault he dies not their.

Junipus

Another "ZOS please fix my stupid" thread.

Voxicity

Just walk away. Simple as that.

Roechacca

Something from real warfare I thought would be fun is burning them down. Stacking wood all around covered in oil and anyone inside would take constant fire damage as well as damage to the tower. It never made sense you couldn't destroy your own tower.

Michaelus

Roechacca wrote: »

Something from real warfare I thought would be fun is burning them down. Stacking wood all around covered in oil and anyone inside would take constant fire damage as well as damage to the tower. It never made sense you couldn't destroy your own tower.

This would be really fun and also a good gameplay mechanic Chop down few tress and make a bbq

Cryptical

Walking away isn't an option, because then you've just given the enemy alliance a launch point to that resource flag, to retake it.

And ownership of resources is important, when you consider not being able to transport to a keep because the enemy holds the resources around it.

A team of 3 can hold one of those towers nearly indefinitely. Put a revive camp on the roof, keep dropping multiple AoE on the ground floor, hit any incoming with crowd control and spam execute abilities.

laksikus

Cryptical wrote: »

Walking away isn't an option, because then you've just given the enemy alliance a launch point to that resource flag, to retake it.

And ownership of resources is important, when you consider not being able to transport to a keep because the enemy holds the resources around it.

A team of 3 can hold one of those towers nearly indefinitely. Put a revive camp on the roof, keep dropping multiple AoE on the ground floor, hit any incoming with crowd control and spam execute abilities.

you clearly arent very knowlegded in pvp

1. you cant put a camp on an enemys tower
2. a team of 3 can not hold the tower against a bigger half nonpug group. aoe cap will destroy them.
3. its alot faster to set the keep ua, than take all 3 ressources and hold them

Voxicity

Cryptical wrote: »

Walking away isn't an option, because then you've just given the enemy alliance a launch point to that resource flag, to retake it.

And ownership of resources is important, when you consider not being able to transport to a keep because the enemy holds the resources around it.

A team of 3 can hold one of those towers nearly indefinitely. Put a revive camp on the roof, keep dropping multiple AoE on the ground floor, hit any incoming with crowd control and spam execute abilities.

Just no.

Roechacca

Cryptical wrote: »

Walking away isn't an option, because then you've just given the enemy alliance a launch point to that resource flag, to retake it.

And ownership of resources is important, when you consider not being able to transport to a keep because the enemy holds the resources around it.

A team of 3 can hold one of those towers nearly indefinitely. Put a revive camp on the roof, keep dropping multiple AoE on the ground floor, hit any incoming with crowd control and spam execute abilities.

I enjoy tower defense. It's a great wat to make a lot of AP. I think the frustration with the enemy that has enough to retake the resource but not the people in the tower lies with the tower being indestructible to those that own the resource. I wouldn't mind if a tower could be damaged by anyone. Defenders could still try to troll repair until the attackers got enough siege up to break the repair cap. But like others have said its not something you can't work around now by staying off the flag until the tower is down. So it's not a high priority in my opinion.

Clarkieson

Michaelus wrote: »

Please could you do something with these towers? Rework, or rebalance, or fix it somehow that hostile cannot be locked in your tower. Or make it permanently open, or anything.

Thanks

You do realize this is the only other thing to do PVP?

Imperial city is lame
Zergs are boring
Deulling is broken

Tower defences are the only fun thing to do and you want to get rid of them?

Cryptical

laksikus wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Walking away isn't an option, because then you've just given the enemy alliance a launch point to that resource flag, to retake it.

And ownership of resources is important, when you consider not being able to transport to a keep because the enemy holds the resources around it.

A team of 3 can hold one of those towers nearly indefinitely. Put a revive camp on the roof, keep dropping multiple AoE on the ground floor, hit any incoming with crowd control and spam execute abilities.

you clearly arent very knowlegded in pvp

1. you cant put a camp on an enemys tower
2. a team of 3 can not hold the tower against a bigger half nonpug group. aoe cap will destroy them.
3. its alot faster to set the keep ua, than take all 3 ressources and hold them

You clearly didn't think this through.

1. Your alliance holds farm X. Your group of 3 gets jumped there, you make it into your tower. You set up a camp on YOUR tower.

2. Your buddies rez. The conquerors proceed to work the adds and take the flag. You and your freshly revived buddies prep the ground floor with caltrops and liquid lightning and that arrow ground effect, the name escapes me at this moment. You maintain those while hitting any incomers with poison arrows, fear, ambush, bombard, javelin, impulse, etc - having the multiple AoE and other area instants soften them up so that it only takes one tick of RD or reverse slice or killer blade or some other execute to drop them.

3. Depending on the keep, and the campaign, and time of day, it can be more strategic to take the resources from your alliance before beginning to siege the keep - if the campaign cares about keeps at all (owning resources gives points campaigns for example). You are making assumptions with your third point that are not guaranteed.

arkansas_ESO

There's already a counter to resource farming, just don't flip the flag and siege down the tower. ZOS shouldn't change the game because people don't understand how to counter something.

Dojohoda

No no no. Zos please leave the resource towers alone. The towers are just fine the way they are.

laksikus

Cryptical wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Walking away isn't an option, because then you've just given the enemy alliance a launch point to that resource flag, to retake it.

And ownership of resources is important, when you consider not being able to transport to a keep because the enemy holds the resources around it.

A team of 3 can hold one of those towers nearly indefinitely. Put a revive camp on the roof, keep dropping multiple AoE on the ground floor, hit any incoming with crowd control and spam execute abilities.

you clearly arent very knowlegded in pvp

1. you cant put a camp on an enemys tower
2. a team of 3 can not hold the tower against a bigger half nonpug group. aoe cap will destroy them.
3. its alot faster to set the keep ua, than take all 3 ressources and hold them

You clearly didn't think this through.

1. Your alliance holds farm X. Your group of 3 gets jumped there, you make it into your tower. You set up a camp on YOUR tower.

2. Your buddies rez. The conquerors proceed to work the adds and take the flag. You and your freshly revived buddies prep the ground floor with caltrops and liquid lightning and that arrow ground effect, the name escapes me at this moment. You maintain those while hitting any incomers with poison arrows, fear, ambush, bombard, javelin, impulse, etc - having the multiple AoE and other area instants soften them up so that it only takes one tick of RD or reverse slice or killer blade or some other execute to drop them.

3. Depending on the keep, and the campaign, and time of day, it can be more strategic to take the resources from your alliance before beginning to siege the keep - if the campaign cares about keeps at all (owning resources gives points campaigns for example). You are making assumptions with your third point that are not guaranteed.

haha stop talking, you are embarassing yourself



2. you *** cant kill 6 enemies with 3 if they enter together. they just need to dodgeroll out of your aoe and are alive.
you cant hold a tower wih 3, except if enemies enter one by one and wait 5 sec after the guy before went in...
no cc, ambush, and execute will kill them. I can dodge roll through 20 guys down there, up the stairs, how do you think 3 can hold and kill me?

that brings us to point 1.
the thing you describe is done by zerg groups. that partly wipe outside and rezz inside before flag flips. my group of 3? probably cant farm enough cp for a 20k tent anyway. so why use one, they will die in seconds again.

3. yes thats true, arrius mine for example to siege frorm there. but then you dont take it for the teleport like you said in your first post

Armitas

The counter to enemies in the tower is to stop zerging and develop on a personal level. If they are the ones with the zerg just ignore it. they will get no AP outnumbering their enemy. I go in the towers, but that is because I have 16 people and 40 enemies outside with an additional line of siege. Zerging doesn't need any more help it's already destroying campaigns.

Junipus

Cryptical wrote: »

Walking away isn't an option, because then you've just given the enemy alliance a launch point to that resource flag, to retake it.

There's a difference between walking away and not going into a tower. Assuming that the pugs have been stupid enough to flip the flag you can simply wait, either stealthed or unstealthed, for them to get bored and drop out of the tower where you can chase them and kill them in the open.

OGLezard

Michaelus wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Something from real warfare I thought would be fun is burning them down. Stacking wood all around covered in oil and anyone inside would take constant fire damage as well as damage to the tower. It never made sense you couldn't destroy your own tower.

This would be really fun and also a good gameplay mechanic Chop down few tress and make a bbq

minus the fact that they will just out heal it. since you know you can out heal everything in this game.

Aquanova

Either auto kick the intruder faction of the tower or allow the new owners to destroy it.

This forces factions to defend resources as opposed to defend till it looks hopeless then attempt to farm.

Rohamad_Ali

Working as intended and also my favorite place to play the Farm AP song ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m9SrXRNPRCA

Cazzy

I'm finding most big battles are taking place at resource towers now. It's fun

GreenSoup2HoT

I really hate everyone who just says "you can walk away" / "dont go in the tower" / etc. Resource Farming is not fun mechanically because technically you should be able to siege the tower down. This is then when all the" dont cap the resource" comments come in. You can't prevent PUGS from capping a resource sometimes. Then your left with two choices, ignore them or test your luck and go through the door. Ignoring them isn't always an option because with some resources, you can flag the keep while siegeing from inside them. Resources also contribute to alliance scoring.

Cryodill is better off without Resource Farms. It would at least improve the quality of the game instead of farming a damn door. I'd personally rather see experienced guilds fighting at choke points between keeps or attacking/defending a keep/outpost. Consistently seeing good players/guilds resource farming because its the most optimal way to gain massive amounts of AP really is a shame. I don't blaim them because it is the best way to get AP but like i said, Cryodill is better off without it.

There are a couple solutions.
1:Take away the door.
2: Create a system that can calculate how many people are inside the resource, thus preventing the resource from flipping when you have say 8 or more people inside. Then you can siege it down if necessary.
3: Introduce a second flag on the inside of the Resource that prevents the resource from flipping. The flag outside then unlocks the door. You can then still siege the Resource or go through the door. This second flag would also allow players inside to continue to put forward camps on-top or repair the tower if damaged. You also would be able to repair the tower at 95% or higher like keeps. So perma-repair would be possible then require coordinated siege to break.

You can disagree with me...list off the counters... list off the Do's and Don'ts.. but in the end Resource Farming should be changed imo. I'm advocating to have a better system put in place.. not get bombarded by a bunch of l2p comments etc.

-Soup

Forestd16b14_ESO

1 of 3 options here....

1. Don't go in and make them come out.
2. Siege the tower down first then capture resource.
3. Get a bigger zerg to all charge in at once to wipe them cause of glorious AoE caps stopping the caltrops the siege the and other AoEs.

TequilaFire

I will repeat what was already said - Stop flipping the flag and siege down the tower!
Ruins their fun when there is no place to hide.

antihero727

Michaelus wrote: »

Please could you do something with these towers? Rework, or rebalance, or fix it somehow that hostile cannot be locked in your tower. Or make it permanently open, or anything.

Thanks

Step 1. Don't flip the flag
Step 2. Siege down tower
Step 3. Kill all enemies in tower

How hard is it really?

Michaelus

antihero727 wrote: »

Michaelus wrote: »

Please could you do something with these towers? Rework, or rebalance, or fix it somehow that hostile cannot be locked in your tower. Or make it permanently open, or anything.

Thanks

Step 1. Don't flip the flag
Step 2. Siege down tower
Step 3. Kill all enemies in tower

How hard is it really?

Maybe try to explain it to other players running arround? Even if you yell at them in chat they just do not listen

themdogesbite

Dont go inside the tower, profit.

juhasman

Roechacca wrote: »

Something from real warfare I thought would be fun is burning them down. Stacking wood all around covered in oil and anyone inside would take constant fire damage as well as damage to the tower. It never made sense you couldn't destroy your own tower.

Or send rats infected with plague through window holes , block the doors and windows and wait.

Orlacc

If you don';t own the tower, no rezzing inside