In the spirit of nerfs

Magus

Since everyone posts the same thing here every day asking for nerfs rather than buffing things that are underperforming, I would like to highlight some of the abilities that are performing well and talk about how to nerf them since they aren't normally mentioned by the cool kid streamers who complain about being unable to two shot a tank.

Shuffle - this should only give the snare immunity, give major evasion to the other morph.

Dawnbreaker of smiting - the DoT from this should be removed, the stun removed unless lower HP than target.

Cloak - this should get the streak treatment and have a cost increase if cast again within 6 seconds

Roll dodge - this should only dodge one attack, all other attacks after the first miss, will land.

Incap strike - remove the stun unless lower HP than target, remove the heal debuff and leave the increased damage against target

Surprise attack - half the base damage of this attack to make it more in line with other spammable attacks

Bombard - double the cost of this ability

Poison injection - lower the execute function to 20%

Reverse slash and morphs - lower the execute function to 20%

Reverse slice - lower the splash damage to 20%

Healing ward - remove the heal on cast from the shield

Radiant destruction - lower the execute function to 20%

Snipe - Increase channel time by 1 sec

Clever alchemist - lower the buff time for this set to 5 seconds

Stealth damage - remove stealth damage bonus modifier, leave in the stun from out of stealth


There, I think I just called out 90% of people's builds for nerfs. How did it you like it? I don't think any of these changes should be made but just sick of seeing QQ, if you think something is underperforming then call for a buff to make more build diversity. If you dislike something that is overperforming, then try to build to counter it but understand you will never be able to counter everything.

Ghost-Shot

You also just came up with a creative way to point out how OP stamina is right now!

Magus

Dang, troll bait fail. Guess I shouldn't had stated I didn't support those changes but hope the message got across that a lot of overperforming stam DD builds are upset that many magicka builds aren't squishy light armor users anymore and aren't getting 2-shot.

Nevermind, ghost joins the arena.

PrinceFabious

I like all these changes!

Magus

And yes, I mained a stamina DK where I did a lot of 1vX and 2vX situations but can't anymore because of the radiant change to making it undodgeable. Once you get 3 of those beams on you only takes one stam DD to land a dizzying swing on you to end your fun. If you don't realize that dodge rolling is the best damage mitigation in the game, then you are being disingenuous. Yes, there's a hard counter now and it sucks. I still miss being able to flame lash all the nightblades rolly-pollys during 1.6, that was the most fun I've ever had in this game raining on their parades.

Magus

PrinceFabious wrote: »

I like all these changes!

See, now that's a proper troll I will learn from you, senpai.

Magus

To make it a more serious post, doing these few things will balance a lot of the game out.

Make shuffle snare immunity of 5 seconds (without having to wear medium armor) and take away major evasion. This way magicka builds can have some snare immunity too without having to run forward momentum. Elder Snares Online is real with the amount of snares associated with so many abilities.

Reduce the stealth damage bonus modifier - a lot of the crazy damage is done from out of stealth. Either do that or remove the stun from stealth mechanic unless it's an ability that has a CC. Damage is so high, if you are wearing light armor that you would die in a second while the snipe + ambush + silver shards + whatever all hit at the same time - there is no counter play to this, even slotting radiant magelight wouldn't necessarily prevent you from dying without having a chance to react to the delayed cc breaks in this game.

Give dodge roll the reflective scales treatment, it can dodge all abilities while in the rolling animation and then 1-4 attacks once standing upright.

Seriously, dawnbreaker of smiting needs a nerf. There's a reason stamDKs run this over take flight - can cast while rooted, high DoT damage. Sorry FOTM stamplar rerolls, I know you are enjoying this ultimate powered by the CP system to make it unbalanced.

Reverse slice splash damage is a bit out of control, lower the amount of the splash damage. No other splash damage does this kind of damage, if it did then maybe more sorcs would choose crystal blast.

The executes could be looked at, 40% is a bit high for starting executes but I know this would screw over PVErs so this would be a lower tier priority than the above.

Side note, being unable to kill a tank that can't kill you sounds like balance to me.

Zheg

Magus wrote: »

Dang, troll bait fail. Guess I shouldn't had stated I didn't support those changes but hope the message got across that a lot of overperforming stam DD builds are upset that many magicka builds aren't squishy light armor users anymore and aren't getting 2-shot.

Nevermind, ghost joins the arena.

My soul gem is ready ghost.

AfkNinja

Magus wrote: »

Give dodge roll the reflective scales treatment, it can dodge all abilities while in the rolling animation and then 1-4 attacks once standing upright.

HAHAHAHA, oh god no!

Potenza

Really good changes, I think ZOS should consider them.

Magus

AfkNinja wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

Give dodge roll the reflective scales treatment, it can dodge all abilities while in the rolling animation and then 1-4 attacks once standing upright.

HAHAHAHA, oh god no!

How about dodge all attacks while in dodge roll animation, then the first and only one attack once out of the animation but in return, dodge roll will break channels of radiant. Sorc's curse and inevitable det and soul assault remain undodgeable.

This mechanic is really why people cry against shuffle stacks not realizing it's actually the dodge roll mechanic dodge still active after a dodge roll.

Magus

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Really good changes, I think ZOS should consider them.

I don't think the changes are really needed but wanted to counter stam build's crying about radiant ruining their outnumbered experience.

Because hitting a pot proc clever alchemist and then using dawnbreaker of smiting and then reverse slice and killing multiple people with 2 buttons is more skilled gameplay than pressing 1 button to cast a weak single-target channel that doesn't do any considerable damage until execute range.

Yes, it was cool to 1vX but those days are over unless you do it to noobs from oceanic at 4am with 400 ping that don't understand game mechanics.

There's a reason why you see so much less highlight reels on youtube. People play 30 hours a week but only end up with like 20 minutes of highlight reel for youtube.

It's a sad state of affairs but the game is moving towards alliance vs alliance battles where the whole pop stacks on the same keep - it can be epic fights sure but you can't pull off the things you used to be able to in regards to outnumbered fights. Battlegrounds are needed now. I would really love to see a king of the hill map, no siege, no forward camps, just a small arena. No NPCs. 15 second rez cooldown unless an ally rezzes you. Each person inside of the circle scores points for your team. Each team can score points at the same time. 10 minute match of endless slaughter. Ideal would be 12v12v12.

Ghost-Shot

Zheg wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

Dang, troll bait fail. Guess I shouldn't had stated I didn't support those changes but hope the message got across that a lot of overperforming stam DD builds are upset that many magicka builds aren't squishy light armor users anymore and aren't getting 2-shot.

Nevermind, ghost joins the arena.

My soul gem is ready ghost.

Better bring a few!

Forestd16b14_ESO

Funny how the list is mostly stamina base skills...... So this is a nerf stamina thread ? Got it... how about a nerf to Meteor and damage shields ? Maybe nerf healing instead or how about a nerf to crystal frags and flame lash ? I know nerf magicak in general no magicka regen while a damage shield is active after all stamina users don't have stamina regen when blocking.

DHale

I like the post. That said, even if all this was done baddies will still be baddies. Before a nerf after the nerf and all day every day.

Magus

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Funny how the list is mostly stamina base skills...... So this is a nerf stamina thread ? Got it... how about a nerf to Meteor and damage shields ? Maybe nerf healing instead or how about a nerf to crystal frags and flame lash ? I know nerf magicak in general no magicka regen while a damage shield is active after all stamina users don't have stamina regen when blocking.

Ooo we have a taker.

Meteor is easily countered, you should never die to this. Block it, mist out of it, roll dodge out of the AOE. Only time you may die to this is against a MDK well timing it with a fossilize when you are already low on health. It's a waste of an ultimate unless you are fighting a ballgroup because it will lag them out and rubberband them back to the impact point so they get separated from their group.

Yes, breath of life has been nerfed the last 2-3 patches. Check. I mention nerfing healing ward in the OP. Rapid regen/mutagen is broken right now and doesn't even cast to new targets. Healing springs is easy to burst through. What else? Oh vigor... wait isn't that stam? Funny how you can hit vigor with major mending and be back to 100% after going through a roll dodge - I know, I do this all the time.

Damage shields were indeed nerfed to 6 seconds, check. Wait, what is shield breaker? Or what's the shattering blows in the CP system?

Crystal frags indeed has not been nerfed, I will notify ZOS of this oversight.

Let's not even start with how they have nerfed magicka DK

Magus

This hasn't yielded nearly enough salt. I basically called out of every 1vXer stam build on how overperforming stam builds are and how they constantly complain about things on the forums asking for nerfs to things that prevent them from being able to 1vX but haven't pulled any aggro.

Zheg

Magus wrote: »

This hasn't yielded nearly enough salt. I basically called out of every 1vXer stam build on how overperforming stam builds are and how they constantly complain about things on the forums asking for nerfs to things that prevent them from being able to 1vX but haven't pulled any aggro.

Youll trigger them better if you get the herd to start agreeing on something so they all start posting, then say something they disagree with and watch the magic.

Its difficult to get the first one to join the thread with a disagreement, they arent sure if the others will follow and dont want to be the only one in here.

Magus

Zheg wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

This hasn't yielded nearly enough salt. I basically called out of every 1vXer stam build on how overperforming stam builds are and how they constantly complain about things on the forums asking for nerfs to things that prevent them from being able to 1vX but haven't pulled any aggro.

Youll trigger them better if you get the herd to start agreeing on something so they all start posting, then say something they disagree with and watch the magic.

Its difficult to get the first one to join the thread with a disagreement, they arent sure if the others will follow and dont want to be the only one in here.

Thanks for the tip! I don't usually participate in forum PVP but after the 14th day in a row about radiant destruction and malubeth but no similar threat about dawnbreaker of smiting or roll dodge, I figured I'd bring some "balance" to the discussion.

Chori

We get it we get it.... Another "I've been killed by a nightblade so much tonight plz halph" thread.

Sorry for your pain

Magus

Chori wrote: »

We get it we get it.... Another "I've been killed by a nightblade so much tonight plz halph" thread.

LOL. No right now I'm enjoying playing a cancerplar, nightblades have no chance of ganking me unless it's a pack of them. And no, nightblades aren't the ones complaining about radiant, they can just cloak it off.

Zheg

Magus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

This hasn't yielded nearly enough salt. I basically called out of every 1vXer stam build on how overperforming stam builds are and how they constantly complain about things on the forums asking for nerfs to things that prevent them from being able to 1vX but haven't pulled any aggro.

Youll trigger them better if you get the herd to start agreeing on something so they all start posting, then say something they disagree with and watch the magic.

Its difficult to get the first one to join the thread with a disagreement, they arent sure if the others will follow and dont want to be the only one in here.

Thanks for the tip! I don't usually participate in forum PVP but after the 14th day in a row about radiant destruction and malubeth but no similar threat about dawnbreaker of smiting or roll dodge, I figured I'd bring some "balance" to the discussion.

14 days? Try 6 months young'un. I never spent so much time defending a skill i barely used until the knee jerk nerf calls under a banner of misguided balance. Do it for another few weeks and you'll get a button saying 'forumplar' to stick on your jacket

Magus

Zheg wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

This hasn't yielded nearly enough salt. I basically called out of every 1vXer stam build on how overperforming stam builds are and how they constantly complain about things on the forums asking for nerfs to things that prevent them from being able to 1vX but haven't pulled any aggro.

Youll trigger them better if you get the herd to start agreeing on something so they all start posting, then say something they disagree with and watch the magic.

Its difficult to get the first one to join the thread with a disagreement, they arent sure if the others will follow and dont want to be the only one in here.

Thanks for the tip! I don't usually participate in forum PVP but after the 14th day in a row about radiant destruction and malubeth but no similar threat about dawnbreaker of smiting or roll dodge, I figured I'd bring some "balance" to the discussion.

14 days? Try 6 months young'un. I never spent so much time defending a skill i barely used until the knee jerk nerf calls under a banner of misguided balance. Do it for another few weeks and you'll get a button saying 'forumplar' to stick on your jacket

I will admit my rage was real when it became undodgeable on my stamDK and I couldn't just run in and mow everything down without a worry in the world but I play every class, so switched to magsorc and magplar where I could counter it. That's the only real reason anyone rages about it because it counters their specific builds and they don't want to make any adjustments. It's just worse because it was dodgeable for so long, so people got used to it being an ineffective skill that nobody used. I still play stamDK and still swear anytime I see a beamer, remember their name, and target them mercilessly and pick them out of the crowd.

CyrusArya

I don't care wether there are nerfs or buffs, but as far as I'm concerned I see a line with Magplar and all stam builds on one side, and every other magicka class on the other. And id like to see that gap closed. That and nerfing malubeth would be my personal priorities balance wise right now.

Magus

CyrusArya wrote: »

I don't care wether there are nerfs or buffs, but as far as I'm concerned I see a line with Magplar and all stam builds on one side, and every other magicka class on the other. And id like to see that gap closed. That and nerfing malubeth would be my personal priorities balance wise right now.

By that logic then you would need to nerf all stam builds and magplar, OR buff magsorc, magdk, and magblade. The latter group actually has more group utility than stam builds for raids but the former group shines more in a smaller scale engagements.

KenaPKK

Magus wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

I don't care wether there are nerfs or buffs, but as far as I'm concerned I see a line with Magplar and all stam builds on one side, and every other magicka class on the other. And id like to see that gap closed. That and nerfing malubeth would be my personal priorities balance wise right now.

By that logic then you would need to nerf all stam builds and magplar, OR buff magsorc, magdk, and magblade. The latter group actually has more group utility than stam builds for raids but the former group shines more in a smaller scale engagements.

A 24 man organized raid of stam things and magplars versus a 24 man raid of magicka sorcs and DKs and mageblades. Skill held equal, my money is on the former. Stam means greater damage, magplars mean...magplars, and all classes present means identical utility.

KenaPKK

Whoops double post.

Zheg

KenaPKK wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

I don't care wether there are nerfs or buffs, but as far as I'm concerned I see a line with Magplar and all stam builds on one side, and every other magicka class on the other. And id like to see that gap closed. That and nerfing malubeth would be my personal priorities balance wise right now.

By that logic then you would need to nerf all stam builds and magplar, OR buff magsorc, magdk, and magblade. The latter group actually has more group utility than stam builds for raids but the former group shines more in a smaller scale engagements.

A 24 man organized raid of stam things and magplars versus a 24 man raid of magicka sorcs and DKs and mageblades. Skill held equal, my money is on the former. Stam means greater damage, magplars mean...magplars, and all classes present means identical utility.

Give me one survivable templar to hit repentence and I'll demolish your stam group with sorcs, DKs, and NBs. Let me fight you at a gate and you can even bring more bodies

CyrusArya

Just for the record, in group play it's fairly obvious that magicka brings way more to the table. I'm speaking strictly on a one to one basis, stamina and Magplar are so much easier to play and forgiving compared to magicka DK, Sorc, and NB. I think it's cus stam is just plain op, and heavy armor synergies really well with Templar. Light armor Templar is really not much better than sorc or NB when compared to stamina. Maybe buff light armor to be on par with medium? Cus idk how you can argue that the two are on par right now.

Vangy

DANGNAMMIT NO YOU (!@(#!@*((@$*(!#))!@_$)_!@_#+!@_+#!@_($!@!@_$!@....

Oh wait.... its a troll post.. oops

mildlylucid

Hmmm... I don't use any of those. So I guess I'll agree with you.

NERF NERF NERF!