Magicka sorcerer, Shadow of the Hist PvP stats

juhasman

For all those who think mag sorc is weak on PvP here are few examples of stats that he'll be able to get in SotH update. I am not running Imperial physique here this are open PvP setups.

Here is defensive setup with nice crit resist



Here is more agressive setup



Classic offensive rotation - curse, crushing shock and crystal fgarment on bar (crystal and curse hits really hard). This build also have high penetration. I am using matriach but only for healing not for offense so i would not call this build a pet build. Matriach heals heal me for 11,5k crit. I have strong shields (15k hardened or 11k empowered ward and 11k harness magicka) but many times I was not even using shields due to fact i have instant strong healing from pet and high crit resist.

juhasman

Both builds present fully buffed stats without emperor and keeps bonuses.

bebynnag

so what sets are you wearing?

juhasman

puffytheslayer wrote: »

so what sets are you wearing?

It can be obtained by few combinations of sets but the core of the setup is necropotence.

JAMESLJNR

Hmm, looks nice. What else are you running? full impen?

DannyLV702

I need dis...

juhasman

JAMESLJNR wrote: »

Hmm, looks nice. What else are you running? full impen?

In 1st picture full impen. But impenetrable necropotence is only availabce on PTS i think. But i have in my head setup that allows to get pretty the same stats and still have 6x impen and it's possible to create on live server.

Dracane

What's the point when you have good stats, but the class has simply terrible abilities ? Having good stats, doesn't mean the class is good at pvp.

But I too am curious how you can have 51k magicka AND 3,3k spell damage AND 2,1k regen.

EDIT: Okay you activated your spell damage glyph to reach this, so it's no base spell damage. But the regen is still too high. I can only think of a lich proc

juhasman

Dracane wrote: »

What's the point when you have good stats, but the class has simply terrible abilities ?

But I too am curious how you can have 51k magicka AND 3,3k spell damage AND 2,1k regen.

EDIT: Okay you activated your spell damage glyph to reach this, so it's no base spell damage. But the regen is still too high. I can only think of a lich proc

I am using empowered ward and seducrer 3 pieces on destro , 4 pieces on 1h+shield bar, and i have 2 mages guild skills on bar. With 51k magicka shield is close to hardened ward on builds that have 40k magicka so additional 4 seconds duration and 10% regen is nice.Also i have 4 divines pieces and 100 points into magicka regen in cp's. In both pictures I was with potions used. On 2nd bar i have 2450 mag regen and I had no problem with magicka when i was testing the setup in 1v3 so i am wondering of changing harness to dampen especially that i dont need shields that much often due to fact that pet heal is very strong (11,7k crit)

jeedrzej

Great...

But people wont stop complain about how "weak" sorc is :P

Dracane

juhasman wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

What's the point when you have good stats, but the class has simply terrible abilities ?

But I too am curious how you can have 51k magicka AND 3,3k spell damage AND 2,1k regen.

EDIT: Okay you activated your spell damage glyph to reach this, so it's no base spell damage. But the regen is still too high. I can only think of a lich proc

I am using empowered ward and seducrer 3 pieces on destro , 4 pieces on 1h+shield bar, and i have 2 mages guild skills on bar. With 51k magicka shield is close to hardened ward on builds that have 40k magicka so additional 4 seconds duration and 10% regen is nice.Also i have 4 divines pieces and 100 points into magicka regen in cp's. In both pictures I was with potions used. On 2nd bar i have 2450 mag regen and I had no problem with magicka when i was testing the setup in 1v3 so i am wondering of changing harness to dampen especially that i dont need shields that much often due to fact that pet heal is very strong (11,7k crit)

So the stats are mostly fake.
Not completely fake, especially since you said it was buffed. I still think, that you simply tried to make it look better than it would be.

I miss my destro/s&b build. But the shield nerf forced me to take my shield on my main bar and I don't want to loose elemental drain, so I had to run double destro since then. My pet build doesn't offer me this freedom sadly

juhasman

Dracane wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

What's the point when you have good stats, but the class has simply terrible abilities ?

But I too am curious how you can have 51k magicka AND 3,3k spell damage AND 2,1k regen.

EDIT: Okay you activated your spell damage glyph to reach this, so it's no base spell damage. But the regen is still too high. I can only think of a lich proc

I am using empowered ward and seducrer 3 pieces on destro , 4 pieces on 1h+shield bar, and i have 2 mages guild skills on bar. With 51k magicka shield is close to hardened ward on builds that have 40k magicka so additional 4 seconds duration and 10% regen is nice.Also i have 4 divines pieces and 100 points into magicka regen in cp's. In both pictures I was with potions used. On 2nd bar i have 2450 mag regen and I had no problem with magicka when i was testing the setup in 1v3 so i am wondering of changing harness to dampen especially that i dont need shields that much often due to fact that pet heal is very strong (11,7k crit)

So the stats are mostly fake.
Not completely fake, especially since you said it was buffed. I still think, that you simply tried to make it look better than it would be.

I miss my destro/s&b build. But the shield nerf forced me to take my shield on my main bar and I don't want to loose elemental drain, so I had to run double destro since then. My pet build doesn't offer me this freedom sadly

I am using pet just for healing , dmg is not the factor i am interested off. I have only 1 double slotted skill not 2. That gives me more flexibility to still have rotation of classic destro/resto sorcerer setup but also gives me profits of having a pet like necropotence and instant healing and daedric summoning passives. In 1st picture i have 2,5k crit resist over 14k stamina and 40/40 points into elemental defender and hardy. That allows me to slot shields on 2nd bar . This build is playable and not fake but it cannot be considered as pet build for sure . About stats i think I could have continous attack still on, I need to check it.

Aedaryl

You should post your stats with just the necropotence and the food buff, it would be more real than fully buffed stats !

juhasman

Aedaryl wrote: »

You should post your stats with just the necropotence and the food buff, it would be more real than fully buffed stats !

I fight fully buffed so i post fully buffed stats

Dracane

juhasman wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

What's the point when you have good stats, but the class has simply terrible abilities ?

But I too am curious how you can have 51k magicka AND 3,3k spell damage AND 2,1k regen.

EDIT: Okay you activated your spell damage glyph to reach this, so it's no base spell damage. But the regen is still too high. I can only think of a lich proc

I am using empowered ward and seducrer 3 pieces on destro , 4 pieces on 1h+shield bar, and i have 2 mages guild skills on bar. With 51k magicka shield is close to hardened ward on builds that have 40k magicka so additional 4 seconds duration and 10% regen is nice.Also i have 4 divines pieces and 100 points into magicka regen in cp's. In both pictures I was with potions used. On 2nd bar i have 2450 mag regen and I had no problem with magicka when i was testing the setup in 1v3 so i am wondering of changing harness to dampen especially that i dont need shields that much often due to fact that pet heal is very strong (11,7k crit)

So the stats are mostly fake.
Not completely fake, especially since you said it was buffed. I still think, that you simply tried to make it look better than it would be.

I miss my destro/s&b build. But the shield nerf forced me to take my shield on my main bar and I don't want to loose elemental drain, so I had to run double destro since then. My pet build doesn't offer me this freedom sadly

I am using pet just for healing , dmg is not the factor i am interested off. I have only 1 double slotted skill not 2. That gives me more flexibility to still have rotation of classic destro/resto sorcerer setup but also gives me profits of having a pet like necropotence and instant healing and daedric summoning passives. In 1st picture i have 2,5k crit resist over 14k stamina and 40/40 points into elemental defender and hardy. That allows me to slot shields on 2nd bar . This build is playable and not fake but it cannot be considered as pet build for sure . About stats i think I could have continous attack still on, I need to check it.

How can you decern, if this is a pet build or not ? You use a pet as a main pillar of your build. So it's a pet build in my book. No matter how you call it.

1 pet builds are more flexible for sure. I prefer 2 pets though, 1 pet alone does not really fullfill the full potential of a pet build.
Luckily, Sorcerer is the class with the biggest amount of useless abilities. As long as you have crystal shard, ward and streak, you can work somehow. I can have all these things even with 2 pets.

That's why pet builds are actually viable: Because Sorcerer offers nothing usefull besides these few abilities. it doesn't matter if you fill your bar with toggles Sure, i would love the freedom to slot magelight or bound armor. But this doesn't work if you want a serious pet build that's working.

Draxys

Possible stats don't make a class/build good.

olsborg

Sorc lost its 1vX potential when they broke streak the way they did.

Dracane

olsborg wrote: »

Sorc lost its 1vX potential when they broke streak the way they did.

Sorc lost more of its potential with every major update.

Waffennacht

So in PvP when they kill your matriarch you lose over 2.2k magicka? SB and Destro?

I mean for PvP, you're slotting a Pet and guild moves?

So because they added a new Necropotence suddenly magicka Sorc's issues are gone?

It's not the stats that are the issue, it's how pigeonholed the class is.

Minalan

Actually this isn't bad, it should make the pet builds even more annoying to deal with, since not only do they have three pets out, they'll also have close to 50K Magicka worth of shields and damage.

The one thing hist brings my build is the master staff, and another 1K max Magicka.

psychotic13

Is necropotence going to be an easy set to require with the DLC? I've also got my eyes on amberplasm.

Although I'm not totally fond of pets in PvP I'd be more incline to use the clannfear cause it stays alive a lot longer but I doubt they've fixed the bug with it.

Dracane

Waffennacht wrote: »

So in PvP when they kill your matriarch you lose over 2.2k magicka? SB and Destro?

I mean for PvP, you're slotting a Pet and guild moves?

So because they added a new Necropotence suddenly magicka Sorc's issues are gone?

It's not the stats that are the issue, it's how pigeonholed the class is.

He looses at least 4000 magicka. But more likely 4800 and even more when he uses magelight (which he does).

juhasman

Dracane wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

What's the point when you have good stats, but the class has simply terrible abilities ?

But I too am curious how you can have 51k magicka AND 3,3k spell damage AND 2,1k regen.

EDIT: Okay you activated your spell damage glyph to reach this, so it's no base spell damage. But the regen is still too high. I can only think of a lich proc

I am using empowered ward and seducrer 3 pieces on destro , 4 pieces on 1h+shield bar, and i have 2 mages guild skills on bar. With 51k magicka shield is close to hardened ward on builds that have 40k magicka so additional 4 seconds duration and 10% regen is nice.Also i have 4 divines pieces and 100 points into magicka regen in cp's. In both pictures I was with potions used. On 2nd bar i have 2450 mag regen and I had no problem with magicka when i was testing the setup in 1v3 so i am wondering of changing harness to dampen especially that i dont need shields that much often due to fact that pet heal is very strong (11,7k crit)

So the stats are mostly fake.
Not completely fake, especially since you said it was buffed. I still think, that you simply tried to make it look better than it would be.

I miss my destro/s&b build. But the shield nerf forced me to take my shield on my main bar and I don't want to loose elemental drain, so I had to run double destro since then. My pet build doesn't offer me this freedom sadly

I am using pet just for healing , dmg is not the factor i am interested off. I have only 1 double slotted skill not 2. That gives me more flexibility to still have rotation of classic destro/resto sorcerer setup but also gives me profits of having a pet like necropotence and instant healing and daedric summoning passives. In 1st picture i have 2,5k crit resist over 14k stamina and 40/40 points into elemental defender and hardy. That allows me to slot shields on 2nd bar . This build is playable and not fake but it cannot be considered as pet build for sure . About stats i think I could have continous attack still on, I need to check it.

How can you decern, if this is a pet build or not ? You use a pet as a main pillar of your build. So it's a pet build in my book. No matter how you call it.

1 pet builds are more flexible for sure. I prefer 2 pets though, 1 pet alone does not really fullfill the full potential of a pet build.
Luckily, Sorcerer is the class with the biggest amount of useless abilities. As long as you have crystal shard, ward and streak, you can work somehow. I can have all these things even with 2 pets.

That's why pet builds are actually viable: Because Sorcerer offers nothing usefull besides these few abilities. it doesn't matter if you fill your bar with toggles Sure, i would love the freedom to slot magelight or bound armor. But this doesn't work if you want a serious pet build that's working.

In my book pet build is build where pets are the pillar of offensive. But that's my book. In my build i dont even send matriach to attack enemie i preffer pet to be near by me.

juhasman

Dracane wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

So in PvP when they kill your matriarch you lose over 2.2k magicka? SB and Destro?

I mean for PvP, you're slotting a Pet and guild moves?

So because they added a new Necropotence suddenly magicka Sorc's issues are gone?

It's not the stats that are the issue, it's how pigeonholed the class is.

He looses at least 4000 magicka. But more likely 4800 and even more when he uses magelight (which he does).

Only on 2nd version on 1st picture i dont use it.On 2nd picture without magelight max magicka is little over 50k.

Xeven

You don't need a pet or even bound armor to hit 50k magicka after the patch. On the rare occasion I encounter a pet sorc, their clannfear sits in my defensive rune as they are promptly decimated.

In no way does 5pc Necropotence make your pet build viable.

4pc Necropotence is what yall should be excited about.

Waffennacht

Also remember pets are not controlled on xbox, there is no way to keep your matriarch from running off to die.

That's a pretty big difference. Necropotence seems far more viable in PvE at least on console.

Minalan

Xeven wrote: »

You don't need a pet or even bound armor to hit 50k magicka after the patch. On the rare occasion I encounter a pet sorc, their clannfear sits in my defensive rune as they are promptly decimated.

In no way does 5pc Necropotence make your pet build viable.

4pc Necropotence is what yall should be excited about.

What's the build you're thinking of in Hist?

Xeven

Minalan wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

You don't need a pet or even bound armor to hit 50k magicka after the patch. On the rare occasion I encounter a pet sorc, their clannfear sits in my defensive rune as they are promptly decimated.

In no way does 5pc Necropotence make your pet build viable.

4pc Necropotence is what yall should be excited about.

What's the build you're thinking of in Hist?

4 Necro 4 Seducer 3 Grace Of The Ancients

Aedaryl

Ahahahha, someone thought about Grace of the Ancients too, it's better than willpower

Xeven

Aedaryl wrote: »

Ahahahha, someone thought about Grace of the Ancients too, it's better than willpower

For straight damage it can be, depending on how much magicka you had to begin with. Grace builds will lose the spellpower from Willpower, but Grace outdoes Willpower for max magicka.

Aedaryl

Of course yeah, but I think in a PvP Idea, it's just better, sorc have already a lot of magicka, this make you have stronger shield, an increase pool of magicka, extra damage