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Playing both sides in the alliance war
Sweetpea704
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So, right now, in Azura, the number one in line for emp for AD is a guy who is really EP and uses that yellow toon to go in AD keeps and take their scrolls and give them to red. The guy boasts about doing this in zone chat. I, and several others in my guild, have reported him for this exploit of aquiring scrolls without sieging the keep as intended. I got an email telling me how to ignore the cheater's boasting...
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 27, 2016 2:59AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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stojekarcub18_ESO✭✭✭✭The evidence in all campaigns is blatant, and in some cases, even bragged about, as you said....you're gonna get those that say this is how war works...this isn't actually war, though...it is a video game that we're all trying to enjoy, and some of us would like to have a bit of fairness involved.4 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sweetpea704 wrote: »It is nothing like real war. In real war, you capture and kill spies.
Sadly friendly fire or trying to brand someone a spy is far too abusable.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Sweetpea704✭✭✭✭Allowing a player to have characters from two factions in the same campaign is a mistake.14
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✭✭✭✭✭This ship is slowly sinking I am afraid, all the players in the alliances that aren't doing so well are abandoning ship for the "winning" alliances making the game so unbalanced faction wise.
Needs to be dynamic server population balance put in place being outnumbered 10 to 1 with the lag making it impossible to fight back effectively is getting harder for even me a hard core PvP player to put up with.
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✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »This ship is slowly sinking I am afraid, all the players in the alliances that aren't doing so well are abandoning ship for the "winning" alliances making the game so unbalanced faction wise.
Needs to be dynamic server population balance put in place being outnumbered 10 to 1 with the lag making it impossible to fight back effectively is getting harder for even me a hard core PvP player to put up with.
Yep. This is 1 of the key reasons why PVP died to me. Of course there were other key elements involved, but that was a very big factor to me.1 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 27, 2016 4:24AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 27, 2016 4:42AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 27, 2016 4:52AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 27, 2016 4:59AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Basically you're confusing cheapness for cheating.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
So is you refusing to accept logic over personal conflict. I'm not saying this should not happen but it isn't something punishable by Zenimax either.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 27, 2016 5:02AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
So is you refusing to accept logic over personal conflict. I'm not saying this should not happen but it isn't something punishable by Zenimax either.
Very little is punishable by Zenimax. That doesn't make it okay to cheat.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
So is you refusing to accept logic over personal conflict. I'm not saying this should not happen but it isn't something punishable by Zenimax either.
Very little is punishable by Zenimax. That doesn't make it okay to cheat.
Your lack of faith in how they handle things aside, what this DOES mean is you cannot rely on Zenimax to handle this for you. Unless they come right out and say they should not be doing that and it is punishable then it isn't and you will just have to find a way to stop them yourself.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 27, 2016 5:08AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy0 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
So is you refusing to accept logic over personal conflict. I'm not saying this should not happen but it isn't something punishable by Zenimax either.
Very little is punishable by Zenimax. That doesn't make it okay to cheat.
Your lack of faith in how they handle things aside, what this DOES mean you cannot rely on Zenimax to handle this for you. Unless they come right out and say they should not be doing that and it is punishable then it isn't and you will just have to find a way to stop them yourself.
Like a said, cheaters always find a way to justify cheating.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
So is you refusing to accept logic over personal conflict. I'm not saying this should not happen but it isn't something punishable by Zenimax either.
Very little is punishable by Zenimax. That doesn't make it okay to cheat.
Your lack of faith in how they handle things aside, what this DOES mean you cannot rely on Zenimax to handle this for you. Unless they come right out and say they should not be doing that and it is punishable then it isn't and you will just have to find a way to stop them yourself.
Like a said, cheaters always find a way to justify cheating.
You know you only make yourself look foolish by still calling me a cheater. Seriously I cleared that up 8 posts ago.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy0 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
So is you refusing to accept logic over personal conflict. I'm not saying this should not happen but it isn't something punishable by Zenimax either.
Very little is punishable by Zenimax. That doesn't make it okay to cheat.
Your lack of faith in how they handle things aside, what this DOES mean you cannot rely on Zenimax to handle this for you. Unless they come right out and say they should not be doing that and it is punishable then it isn't and you will just have to find a way to stop them yourself.
Like a said, cheaters always find a way to justify cheating.
You know you only make yourself look foolish by still calling me a cheater. Seriously I cleared that up 8 posts ago.
I gave several examples of how cheaters act, if you find yourself acting like that, then that is your problem.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
So is you refusing to accept logic over personal conflict. I'm not saying this should not happen but it isn't something punishable by Zenimax either.
Very little is punishable by Zenimax. That doesn't make it okay to cheat.
Your lack of faith in how they handle things aside, what this DOES mean you cannot rely on Zenimax to handle this for you. Unless they come right out and say they should not be doing that and it is punishable then it isn't and you will just have to find a way to stop them yourself.
Like a said, cheaters always find a way to justify cheating.
You know you only make yourself look foolish by still calling me a cheater. Seriously I cleared that up 8 posts ago.
I gave several examples of how cheaters act, if you find yourself acting like that, then that is your problem.
Perhaps you should lie down... You're mind is clearly spiraling so fast confusion has set in.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy0 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
So is you refusing to accept logic over personal conflict. I'm not saying this should not happen but it isn't something punishable by Zenimax either.
Very little is punishable by Zenimax. That doesn't make it okay to cheat.
Your lack of faith in how they handle things aside, what this DOES mean you cannot rely on Zenimax to handle this for you. Unless they come right out and say they should not be doing that and it is punishable then it isn't and you will just have to find a way to stop them yourself.
Like a said, cheaters always find a way to justify cheating.
You know you only make yourself look foolish by still calling me a cheater. Seriously I cleared that up 8 posts ago.
I gave several examples of how cheaters act, if you find yourself acting like that, then that is your problem.
Perhaps you should lie down... You're mind is clearly spiraling so fast confusion has set in.
Perhaps people should stop looking for ways to cheat. The health of the game would be much better.
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
So is you refusing to accept logic over personal conflict. I'm not saying this should not happen but it isn't something punishable by Zenimax either.
Very little is punishable by Zenimax. That doesn't make it okay to cheat.
Your lack of faith in how they handle things aside, what this DOES mean you cannot rely on Zenimax to handle this for you. Unless they come right out and say they should not be doing that and it is punishable then it isn't and you will just have to find a way to stop them yourself.
Like a said, cheaters always find a way to justify cheating.
You know you only make yourself look foolish by still calling me a cheater. Seriously I cleared that up 8 posts ago.
I gave several examples of how cheaters act, if you find yourself acting like that, then that is your problem.
Perhaps you should lie down... You're mind is clearly spiraling so fast confusion has set in.
Perhaps people should stop looking for ways to cheat. The health of the game would be much better.
Yes the world would indeed be better without cheaters.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
So is you refusing to accept logic over personal conflict. I'm not saying this should not happen but it isn't something punishable by Zenimax either.
Very little is punishable by Zenimax. That doesn't make it okay to cheat.
Your lack of faith in how they handle things aside, what this DOES mean you cannot rely on Zenimax to handle this for you. Unless they come right out and say they should not be doing that and it is punishable then it isn't and you will just have to find a way to stop them yourself.
Like a said, cheaters always find a way to justify cheating.
You know you only make yourself look foolish by still calling me a cheater. Seriously I cleared that up 8 posts ago.
I gave several examples of how cheaters act, if you find yourself acting like that, then that is your problem.
Perhaps you should lie down... You're mind is clearly spiraling so fast confusion has set in.
Perhaps people should stop looking for ways to cheat. The health of the game would be much better.
Yes the world would indeed be better without cheaters.
Having an agreed upon set of rules that apply to all is best. Unfortunately, there are always those that do their worse to find a way to cheat, and they always makes excuse like, 'the rules don't say I can't do it".
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
So is you refusing to accept logic over personal conflict. I'm not saying this should not happen but it isn't something punishable by Zenimax either.
Very little is punishable by Zenimax. That doesn't make it okay to cheat.
Your lack of faith in how they handle things aside, what this DOES mean you cannot rely on Zenimax to handle this for you. Unless they come right out and say they should not be doing that and it is punishable then it isn't and you will just have to find a way to stop them yourself.
Like a said, cheaters always find a way to justify cheating.
You know you only make yourself look foolish by still calling me a cheater. Seriously I cleared that up 8 posts ago.
I gave several examples of how cheaters act, if you find yourself acting like that, then that is your problem.
Perhaps you should lie down... You're mind is clearly spiraling so fast confusion has set in.
Perhaps people should stop looking for ways to cheat. The health of the game would be much better.
Yes the world would indeed be better without cheaters.
Having an agreed upon set of rules that apply to all is best. Unfortunately, there are always those that do their worse to find a way to cheat, and they always makes excuse like, 'the rules don't say I can't do it".
And that is the difference between cheating and exploiting. Of course there is also 2 types of cheating in this game: cheating by using cheap tactics to get something easier than it should be to get and then there is actual cheating with things like Cheat Engine. Exploiting on the other hand is abusing something that is supposed to be impossible to do due to in-game mechanics stopping it, such as jumping keep walls or having more than 2 Sorcerer pets active at a time. Cheating is bad for sure, but the cheating mentioned in this thread is not a violation of ToS and that is why people do it. If it was they might think twice... Trust me we all know this playerbase is full of people that jump at any exploit they think they can get away with.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 27, 2016 5:28AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
So is you refusing to accept logic over personal conflict. I'm not saying this should not happen but it isn't something punishable by Zenimax either.
Very little is punishable by Zenimax. That doesn't make it okay to cheat.
Your lack of faith in how they handle things aside, what this DOES mean you cannot rely on Zenimax to handle this for you. Unless they come right out and say they should not be doing that and it is punishable then it isn't and you will just have to find a way to stop them yourself.
Like a said, cheaters always find a way to justify cheating.
You know you only make yourself look foolish by still calling me a cheater. Seriously I cleared that up 8 posts ago.
I gave several examples of how cheaters act, if you find yourself acting like that, then that is your problem.
Perhaps you should lie down... You're mind is clearly spiraling so fast confusion has set in.
Perhaps people should stop looking for ways to cheat. The health of the game would be much better.
Yes the world would indeed be better without cheaters.
Having an agreed upon set of rules that apply to all is best. Unfortunately, there are always those that do their worse to find a way to cheat, and they always makes excuse like, 'the rules don't say I can't do it".
And that is the difference between cheating and exploiting. Of course there is also 2 types of cheating in this game: cheating by using cheap tactics to get something easier than it should be to get and then there is actual cheating with things like Cheat Engine. Exploiting on the other hand is abusing something that is supposed to be impossible to do due to in-game mechanics stopping it, such as jumping keep walls or having more than 2 Sorcerer pets active at a time. Cheating is bad for sure, but the cheating mentioned in this thread is not a violation of ToS and that is why people do it. If it was they might think twice... Trust me we all know this playerbase is full of people that jump at any exploit they think they can get away with.
Using an alt to deliver a scroll so you can gain AP on your main, is cheating. Try to make excuse for doing is just low.
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Well unless he is jumping keep walls with a gap closer he isn't doing anything that violates ToS. If he is exploiting that then get some proof and report him with that for exploiting.
Delivering a scroll to another alliance, is an exploit.
Show me where Zenimax says they are not supposed to do this due to mechanics in place to prevent it and then it's an exploit. Until then, it's not.
Look it up yourself.
Do I look like your lawyer? Doesn't help your case if you yourself cannot provide sufficient evidence.
No, you don't look like a lawyer. You look like someone that is always looking for a way to cheat.
How typical. Someone doesn't agree with you so you automatically assume they are one of them. FYI: I've only held an Elder Scroll ONCE in all the time I've played and it was a brief period. In fact I could not take it anywhere because I got trapped behind enemy gates while at their Temple.
Also, I don't need to cheat. I can actually get what I need by playing legit, even if it takes awhile.
To play the game in an unintended manner is cheating. Taking a scroll and delivering it to an opposing alliance, is not being creative, it is cheating. Making excuses for cheating is what cheaters do.
It's only unintended if there are mechanics in there to stop it from happening. Nothing dictates what a player does with a scroll once they have it in their possession. If they hold it for too long though it returns to the last place it stood.
Yes what they do can be seen as cheating but it still does not violate ToS and therefore Zenimax will not do anything.
You making an excuse was not surprising.
So is you refusing to accept logic over personal conflict. I'm not saying this should not happen but it isn't something punishable by Zenimax either.
Very little is punishable by Zenimax. That doesn't make it okay to cheat.
Your lack of faith in how they handle things aside, what this DOES mean you cannot rely on Zenimax to handle this for you. Unless they come right out and say they should not be doing that and it is punishable then it isn't and you will just have to find a way to stop them yourself.
Like a said, cheaters always find a way to justify cheating.
You know you only make yourself look foolish by still calling me a cheater. Seriously I cleared that up 8 posts ago.
I gave several examples of how cheaters act, if you find yourself acting like that, then that is your problem.
Perhaps you should lie down... You're mind is clearly spiraling so fast confusion has set in.
Perhaps people should stop looking for ways to cheat. The health of the game would be much better.
Yes the world would indeed be better without cheaters.
Having an agreed upon set of rules that apply to all is best. Unfortunately, there are always those that do their worse to find a way to cheat, and they always makes excuse like, 'the rules don't say I can't do it".
And that is the difference between cheating and exploiting. Of course there is also 2 types of cheating in this game: cheating by using cheap tactics to get something easier than it should be to get and then there is actual cheating with things like Cheat Engine. Exploiting on the other hand is abusing something that is supposed to be impossible to do due to in-game mechanics stopping it, such as jumping keep walls or having more than 2 Sorcerer pets active at a time. Cheating is bad for sure, but the cheating mentioned in this thread is not a violation of ToS and that is why people do it. If it was they might think twice... Trust me we all know this playerbase is full of people that jump at any exploit they think they can get away with.
Using an alt to deliver a scroll so you can gain AP on your main, is cheating. Try to make excuse for doing is just low.
IF this were a multiboxing case then yes it would be a punishable offense, but after reviewing the thread from OP on downward it does not sound like multiboxing. Someone from an enemy faction would have to get into the keep and take the scroll just to remove it from the pedestal and unless this guy IS multiboxing, and capable of taking on the NPCs alone, he is obviously getting help from friends. Now if said friends are keep jumping to get in and he is their target then yeah he is guilty of exploitation by that alone but otherwise there is no "illegal" activity here.
Should people do this? No, it's just cheap and unaccomplishing. Will Zenimax punish them when no exploits are involved? Nope.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 27, 2016 5:51AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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