So what is actually BIS trait for Maelstrom Bow PVE Stam DK?

Minute_Waltz

Infused - buffing endless hail damage but I heard mixed messages on whethet it works or not when switched to DW. Can anyone please confirm?

Sharpened - For the small time period where we are on bow, sharpened would help the dots to tick at full penetration at their full damage.

Precise - For the small time period where we are on bow, dots are more likely to tick with crit thus maximizing their damage? Since there are no spammable on bow bar, this might out dps sharpenend bows?

Assuming 5 VO 5 TBS as the gear with fully optimized cp and rotation etc.

MaxwellC

I'd say precise as sharpened only applies to bosses or enemies that have that boss like bracket on their HP. Precise would keep giving 75% more damage depending on your crit modifiers + you can also cri health more often since the bow passives increase your crit.
Endless hail is consistent damage and applies individually which means they each have a chance to crit.

Minute_Waltz

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I'd say precise as sharpened only applies to bosses or enemies that have that boss like bracket on their HP. Precise would keep giving 75% more damage depending on your crit modifiers + you can also cri health more often since the bow passives increase your crit.
Endless hail is consistent damage and applies individually which means they each have a chance to crit.

Sorry yeah I was thinking about it purely from trials boss fight perspective where you only need to focus on boss and maximizing the dps.

In general game play, or even VMA I agree Precise would be BIS as it helps with vigor healing etc.

MaxwellC

If it's for solo boss encounters I'd say sharp is slightly better than precise.

susmitds

Precise is BiS in trials, as with Minor and Major Force and other significant crit. damage modifier, it deals a good deal of new damage more than Sharpened. And also, with Major Fracture, Crushing Enchant and Night Mother's Gaze debuffs on the Boss, as well as a few other similar debuff, the resistance left is usually lesser than the Sharpened reduction, so Sharpened won't work at its full capacity.

Minute_Waltz

susmitds wrote: »

Precise is BiS in trials, as with Minor and Major Force and other significant crit. damage modifier, it deals a good deal of new damage more than Sharpened. And also, with Major Fracture, Crushing Enchant and Night Mother's Gaze debuffs on the Boss, as well as a few other similar debuff, the resistance left is usually lesser than the Sharpened reduction, so Sharpened won't work at its full capacity.

Yeah makes sense, thanks! I use 1 precise 1 sharpen for dual wield so I guess that would be BIS for dual wield, similar to reasons stated above.

Does anyone know how infused bows work though? Do you receive endless hail damage bonus after you switch the bow out?

susmitds

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Precise is BiS in trials, as with Minor and Major Force and other significant crit. damage modifier, it deals a good deal of new damage more than Sharpened. And also, with Major Fracture, Crushing Enchant and Night Mother's Gaze debuffs on the Boss, as well as a few other similar debuff, the resistance left is usually lesser than the Sharpened reduction, so Sharpened won't work at its full capacity.

Yeah makes sense, thanks! I use 1 precise 1 sharpen for dual wield so I guess that would be BIS for dual wield, similar to reasons stated above.

Does anyone know how infused bows work though? Do you receive endless hail damage bonus after you switch the bow out?

Infused works, but only if you also have at least another Infused weapon on your main bar. Other wise, you lose the extra damage on switching.

Minute_Waltz

susmitds wrote: »

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Precise is BiS in trials, as with Minor and Major Force and other significant crit. damage modifier, it deals a good deal of new damage more than Sharpened. And also, with Major Fracture, Crushing Enchant and Night Mother's Gaze debuffs on the Boss, as well as a few other similar debuff, the resistance left is usually lesser than the Sharpened reduction, so Sharpened won't work at its full capacity.

Yeah makes sense, thanks! I use 1 precise 1 sharpen for dual wield so I guess that would be BIS for dual wield, similar to reasons stated above.

Does anyone know how infused bows work though? Do you receive endless hail damage bonus after you switch the bow out?

Infused works, but only if you also have at least another Infused weapon on your main bar. Other wise, you lose the extra damage on switching.

Hmm interesting.. so having 1 infused and 1 sharpen on dual wield with infused bow may be pretty good then since infused main hand increases a little bit of wep damage too and 60%-70% damage is related to either cruel flurry or endless hail buffs on a stam dk.

DRXHarbinger

If you only use it for a back bar to pop hail and execute then any trait. Soon as you swap bars the current active trait is what's going on anyway so doesn't matter too much. Only the 1st tick will be affected and isn't worth worrying about. If you want to spam snipe at some point then sharp obviously. If you keep vigor on your back bar only then precise as you'll want that first tick to crit.

rootimus

What's BIS? Butchers In Spandex?

susmitds

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Precise is BiS in trials, as with Minor and Major Force and other significant crit. damage modifier, it deals a good deal of new damage more than Sharpened. And also, with Major Fracture, Crushing Enchant and Night Mother's Gaze debuffs on the Boss, as well as a few other similar debuff, the resistance left is usually lesser than the Sharpened reduction, so Sharpened won't work at its full capacity.

Yeah makes sense, thanks! I use 1 precise 1 sharpen for dual wield so I guess that would be BIS for dual wield, similar to reasons stated above.

Does anyone know how infused bows work though? Do you receive endless hail damage bonus after you switch the bow out?

Infused works, but only if you also have at least another Infused weapon on your main bar. Other wise, you lose the extra damage on switching.

Hmm interesting.. so having 1 infused and 1 sharpen on dual wield with infused bow may be pretty good then since infused main hand increases a little bit of wep damage too and 60%-70% damage is related to either cruel flurry or endless hail buffs on a stam dk.

Technically, though the extra Endless Hail damage from infused is not worth losing out on the overall damage gained from precise.

logosloki

rootimus wrote: »

What's BIS? Butchers In Spandex?

Best In Slot. Usually the I isn't capitalised (BiS). It means that the item is considered by the playerbase to be the best possible item to have in the applicable slot.

Alcast

IF infused works on Dualwieldbar then infused. if it does not then either Precise or Sharpened.

Asmael

Don't have the parses right now, but I did multiple bloodspawn tests for someone who had both an Infused and a Sharpened bow.

Sharpened is definitely the winner, as Endless Hail, while having stronger base numbers thanks to Infused, loses the precious penetration, and on top of that, you lose some extra damage on other abilities while on your back bar (usually Flames of Oblivion and Poison Injection, Arrow spray if you're using it). Plus the bow light attacks of course.

Don't underestimate the time spent on your back bar, using Poison injection, refreshing Hail and FoO, or popping Vigor (or even Molten Armaments) starts taking quite some time.

So either Precise or Sharpened will be my pick (Sharp, because CBA farming a Precise bow right now... screw vMA RNG).

Minute_Waltz

Asmael wrote: »

Don't have the parses right now, but I did multiple bloodspawn tests for someone who had both an Infused and a Sharpened bow.

Sharpened is definitely the winner, as Endless Hail, while having stronger base numbers thanks to Infused, loses the precious penetration, and on top of that, you lose some extra damage on other abilities while on your back bar (usually Flames of Oblivion and Poison Injection, Arrow spray if you're using it). Plus the bow light attacks of course.

Don't underestimate the time spent on your back bar, using Poison injection, refreshing Hail and FoO, or popping Vigor (or even Molten Armaments) starts taking quite some time.

So either Precise or Sharpened will be my pick (Sharp, because CBA farming a Precise bow right now... screw vMA RNG).

Thanks for your post that is great information! Yes I would assume all the existing dots (trap, claw, rending slashes) would be affected by the trait of bow bar as well, so I guess I won't need to farm an infused bow and stick with my precise

rootimus

logosloki wrote: »

rootimus wrote: »

What's BIS? Butchers In Spandex?

Best In Slot. Usually the I isn't capitalised (BiS). It means that the item is considered by the playerbase to be the best possible item to have in the applicable slot.

Thank-you! Have an awesome for a helpful reply. I think it should mean Bacon In Sammich, though.