Breton Racial Passive Change

Ch4mpTW

Could we by a chance have the whole spell resistance thing be shifted to giving magicka regen? I mean, don't get me wrong. Spell resistance is nice and all, but lore-wise — Bretons are 2nd only to High Elves when it comes to mastery of magicka. So logically they should have increased regeneration of magicka. Or at least give them a magicka-based version of Redguard's adrenaline rush. Because no one really cares too much about the added spell resistance. @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel

SahrotRein

I'm glad you mentioned the part about them being close to High Elves. The way they are now makes sense to me as they are actually more of a defensive mages compared to the Altmer who are rather aggressive due to their elemental expertise - one is man, one is mer. One is defensive, one is aggresive. They are like South and North to each other

Ch4mpTW

Runaan wrote: »

I'm glad you mentioned the part about them being close to High Elves. The way they are now makes sense to me as they are actually more of a defensive mages compared to the Altmer who are rather aggressive due to their elemental expertise - one is man, one is mer. One is defensive, one is aggresive. They are like South and North to each other

True, but Bretons are technically still mer. They're "manmer", because of them being the mutts per say. They have elf blood in their veins, but it's really diluted and all scrambled up. Hence why they have natural skills in magicka still, even if not to the high levels of a High Elf.

Minalan

I don't mind the spell resist and max Magicka bonus.

What I do mind is the very laughable 3% Magicka cost reduction.

That's about 10CP of reduction, while Altmer get almost 40CP worth of regeneration.

Raise that to 5-6% please!

FrostFallFox

I would prefer an increase in the cost reduction also.

Ch4mpTW

Minalan wrote: »

I don't mind the spell resist and max Magicka bonus.

What I do mind is the very laughable 3% Magicka cost reduction.

That's about 10CP of reduction, while Altmer get almost 40CP worth of regeneration.

Raise that to 5-6% please!

Very true. I didn't even consider that, but you bring up a very important and valid point. The cost reduction is hilarious. 3% is almost nothing. Especially with the costs of skills being raised. Maybe the developers are trying to turn ESO into The Elder Stamina Online. As the majority of high damage and high sustain builds are based around stamina. Both in PVE and PVP. Meanwhile magicka builds are steadily getting shafted right and left. In fact, I saw a thread about the uneven balance in regards to magicka vs. stamina sustain. And stamina builds clearly have more an advantage.

UltimaJoe777

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Runaan wrote: »

I'm glad you mentioned the part about them being close to High Elves. The way they are now makes sense to me as they are actually more of a defensive mages compared to the Altmer who are rather aggressive due to their elemental expertise - one is man, one is mer. One is defensive, one is aggresive. They are like South and North to each other

True, but Bretons are technically still mer. They're "manmer", because of them being the mutts per say. They have elf blood in their veins, but it's really diluted and all scrambled up. Hence why they have natural skills in magicka still, even if not to the high levels of a High Elf.

So if a Breton gets bitten by a Slaughterfish and part of the fish's cell structure transfers to the Breton does said Breton become a merman?

mistermutiny89

Well I'd much prefer a 4-5% magicka damage buff but apparently lorewise Bretons are ment to be about controlling magicka (or summin-erather) so why not give them 3k spell pen?

Vaoh

Minalan wrote: »

I don't mind the spell resist and max Magicka bonus.

What I do mind is the very laughable 3% Magicka cost reduction.

That's about 10CP of reduction, while Altmer get almost 40CP worth of regeneration.

Raise that to 5-6% please!

Would be perfect if this change happened imo. Altmer just seems superior atm from the giant Magicka Regen/Max Magicka bonuses.

I feel Magicka Sorc is restricted to Altmer as well because Breton doesn't provide as much bonuses, and this is before considering the High Elf's elemental damage.

Ch4mpTW

Doncellius wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

I don't mind the spell resist and max Magicka bonus.

What I do mind is the very laughable 3% Magicka cost reduction.

That's about 10CP of reduction, while Altmer get almost 40CP worth of regeneration.

Raise that to 5-6% please!

Would be perfect if this change happened imo. Altmer just seems superior atm from the giant Magicka Regen/Max Magicka bonuses.

I feel Magicka Sorc is restricted to Altmer as well because Breton doesn't provide as much bonuses, and this is before considering the High Elf's elemental damage.

Very true, bro. This is why my magicka Sorcerer is a Altmer, and my magicka Templar is a Breton. For this exact reason.

Verbalinkontinenz

i wouldnt mind a little spell power buff instead of magic resistance as passive. no tank needs bonus in magical resistance, so breton isn't so good or "best" in anything, as msot of other races are. spell power could increase the attractivity as healer and dd.

starkerealm

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I mean, don't get me wrong. Spell resistance is nice and all, but lore-wise —

Lore wise, Bretons have increased resistance to magic, similar to Orcs. It's one of the unusual things about them. You're right, Bretons probably should have a Redguard/Imperial like ability for Magicka, but spell resist should stay.

Dracane

If we stick true to the lore, then Altmer have more magicka than bretons. Altmer used to have 12% magicka in beta, but they reduced it to 10%. So where is the lore here ?

Bretons are naturally resistant to magic, they don't really have regen. The lore is perfectly fine here, just like the breton passives in general.

Psyonico

Bretons have always been the magical defense race. They are adept at magic but excel in protecting themselves from it, hence the resist in ESO.

So lore wise, it doesn't make sense to get rid of it. I wouldn't complain if they were to just buff the cost reduction, but seeing as Bretons are considered one of the best races in the game for magic min/maxing I don't see that happening

luen79rwb17_ESO

They can simply adapt lore to playability or ignore it entirely. After all other racials are not based on any lore at all. ESO is not a single player RPG.

Back on topic, I believe that a buff to magicka mastery or increasing Breton sustain through a magicka-return ability is the best solution. 3% per se is negligible.

Reykice

Psyonico wrote: »

Bretons have always been the magical defense race. They are adept at magic but excel in protecting themselves from it, hence the resist in ESO.

So lore wise, it doesn't make sense to get rid of it. I wouldn't complain if they were to just buff the cost reduction, but seeing as Bretons are considered one of the best races in the game for magic min/maxing I don't see that happening

They are 3rd out of 3 races with 10% magicka bonus... mostlu because the 3% cost reduction is worthless, in Dark Brotherhood costs went up by 10% so the 3% is not even noticed...

Bigevilpeter

how about them having magika cost reduction, substituting magika regen?

they are a much better healing class than high evles but worse as a dps class

Firerock2

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Runaan wrote: »

I'm glad you mentioned the part about them being close to High Elves. The way they are now makes sense to me as they are actually more of a defensive mages compared to the Altmer who are rather aggressive due to their elemental expertise - one is man, one is mer. One is defensive, one is aggresive. They are like South and North to each other

True, but Bretons are technically still mer. They're "manmer", because of them being the mutts per say. They have elf blood in their veins, but it's really diluted and all scrambled up. Hence why they have natural skills in magicka still, even if not to the high levels of a High Elf.

I'm sorry but this is simply not true. The "manmer" idea is simply elven propaganda that seeks to discourage humans from taking back their land and exterminating the wild packs of rats that infest it.

starkerealm

Firerock2 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Runaan wrote: »

I'm glad you mentioned the part about them being close to High Elves. The way they are now makes sense to me as they are actually more of a defensive mages compared to the Altmer who are rather aggressive due to their elemental expertise - one is man, one is mer. One is defensive, one is aggresive. They are like South and North to each other

True, but Bretons are technically still mer. They're "manmer", because of them being the mutts per say. They have elf blood in their veins, but it's really diluted and all scrambled up. Hence why they have natural skills in magicka still, even if not to the high levels of a High Elf.

I'm sorry but this is simply not true. The "manmer" idea is simply elven propaganda that seeks to discourage humans from taking back their land and exterminating the wild packs of rats that infest it.

Bretons being a hybrid of ancient elves and Nedes is pretty well documented.

Firerock2

starkerealm wrote: »

Firerock2 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Runaan wrote: »

I'm glad you mentioned the part about them being close to High Elves. The way they are now makes sense to me as they are actually more of a defensive mages compared to the Altmer who are rather aggressive due to their elemental expertise - one is man, one is mer. One is defensive, one is aggresive. They are like South and North to each other

True, but Bretons are technically still mer. They're "manmer", because of them being the mutts per say. They have elf blood in their veins, but it's really diluted and all scrambled up. Hence why they have natural skills in magicka still, even if not to the high levels of a High Elf.

I'm sorry but this is simply not true. The "manmer" idea is simply elven propaganda that seeks to discourage humans from taking back their land and exterminating the wild packs of rats that infest it.

Bretons being a hybrid of ancient elves and Nedes is pretty well documented.

Those documents were falsified all in a pathetic attempt to stop Bretons from finishing off the Elves. It will fail and this war will come to an end, just like the elves.

That being said I do agree that Bretons should have increased magicka regen. They are superior in all aspects to any of the elves and their passives should reflect this.

Katinas

Just give Bretons the passive that was intended (then adjusted) for Argonians for the upcoming patch: Increase Healing Done by 9%. A great number of Bretons are healers and they would benefit from this; it would alsop be lore-friendly.

Skyrim: Restoration +5
Oblivion: Restoration +10
Morrowind: Restoration +10
Battlespire: Restoration +10

AugustoCP

The cost reduction passive could really be buffed... or maybe change spell resistance into spell penetration? Well, this one wouldn't really make a lot of sense lore-wise, but it'd be nice.

starkerealm

Firerock2 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Firerock2 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Runaan wrote: »

I'm glad you mentioned the part about them being close to High Elves. The way they are now makes sense to me as they are actually more of a defensive mages compared to the Altmer who are rather aggressive due to their elemental expertise - one is man, one is mer. One is defensive, one is aggresive. They are like South and North to each other

True, but Bretons are technically still mer. They're "manmer", because of them being the mutts per say. They have elf blood in their veins, but it's really diluted and all scrambled up. Hence why they have natural skills in magicka still, even if not to the high levels of a High Elf.

I'm sorry but this is simply not true. The "manmer" idea is simply elven propaganda that seeks to discourage humans from taking back their land and exterminating the wild packs of rats that infest it.

Bretons being a hybrid of ancient elves and Nedes is pretty well documented.

Those documents were falsified all in a pathetic attempt to stop Bretons from finishing off the Elves. It will fail and this war will come to an end, just like the elves.

*rolls eyes*

You seem to have wandered onto the wrong board. You want this one.