The Issue With Wanting Only Experienced People/Specific Classes/Builds for Vet Dungeons

WuffyCerulei

The issue with only wanting either experienced players is that there are only so many players who are that bloody experienced. Let's take veteran White-Gold Tower. I'm not the most experienced with the dungeon, but I'm willing to learn. A lot of people want to do that dungeon, but most people advertising in zone chat only want experienced players. Take a couple people new to the dungeon and teach the ropes. Who knows, you may end up in a reall good group.
Now with wanting only certain classes and builds for certain roles in groups is a major setback. Some roles, more so the healer, are much better to be a certain class than other. A templar healer is possibly the most potent healer of them all, but that doesn't mean the other classes can't be good healers. As for tanks and DPS, the combinations are endless. Any class can tank with the proper build, and for DPS, there are numerous builds. You could end up in a group with just one class or all classes. Each person's role effectiveness is based on how they play the class, not the class itself.

Panth141

With the nerfs to vICP/vWGT there is no excuse for this elitism. The only remaining reason is that they want to speed run it. Still a crap excuse and unnecessarily exclusionary IMO.

I ran vWGT with a 3 man group finder PUG yesterday, after GF refused to let us requeue. One of the guys was <<501 CP. It is no longer the particularly hard dungeon it was.

Tonnopesce

This is so wrong, Require specific class/role is a rule only for a pug group and only to do an easymode run.
Templars with BOL for heal
DK's with talons for tanking
NB as dps
Sorcerers left home.

Willing to learn btw is something that one can do in his guild, probably the ones asking for experience are farming groups for the monster helm or sets, you don't want to do a noob 2h run when in the same time with a good group you can do 4 runs.

Wollust

If you want to learn, just join a PvE guild and don't expect random strangers to have the willingness to teach others.

alkodav

So, it's understood, that most of exp players don't want to waste their time for explaining something to newbies and wipe a lot of times in gold pledge dungeons. And this is their own game, they have no any duty or something like that to teach you

Actually you can watch some video guides to understant some mechanics

And the best way i could advise - find newbies-friendly guild, with voice chat. There also a lot of people who want to explain and teach, believe me

WuffyCerulei

And before anyone says sorcs can't be good DPS, on both magicka and stamina builds, my sorc hits pretty darn hard. Either lightning staff for magicka or dw/bow for stam.

Ep1kMalware

Wollust wrote: »

If you want to learn, just join a PvE guild and don't expect random strangers to have the willingness to teach others.

I agree with this completely. ALL kinds of people play this game, sometimes you just want to run something quickly a few times. have you tried doing the opposite? Asking for a group to teaxh you the ropes?

I see it now amd then and don't mind helping. other times I just want to dk it quickly. Don't lije it? oh well, too bad. I'm completing it and tou're crying about it.

lolo_01b16_ESO

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

The issue with only wanting either experienced players is that there are only so many players who are that bloody experienced. Let's take veteran White-Gold Tower. I'm not the most experienced with the dungeon, but I'm willing to learn. A lot of people want to do that dungeon, but most people advertising in zone chat only want experienced players. Take a couple people new to the dungeon and teach the ropes. Who knows, you may end up in a reall good group.
Now with wanting only certain classes and builds for certain roles in groups is a major setback. Some roles, more so the healer, are much better to be a certain class than other. A templar healer is possibly the most potent healer of them all, but that doesn't mean the other classes can't be good healers. As for tanks and DPS, the combinations are endless. Any class can tank with the proper build, and for DPS, there are numerous builds. You could end up in a group with just one class or all classes. Each person's role effectiveness is based on how they play the class, not the class itself.

Those people who require you to have a certain class for vet dungeons are not experienced players. These players usually look for what they think are perfect players because they can't do the dungeons without someone experienced helping them.
When I run dailies with guild mates it's usually like:
Oh, we are 4 dps, who can slot taunt and who will slot some heals? - Ok, let's go.

Also when doing it with randoms I don't care about classes. There are people who killed all bosses in vWGT using nothing but light and heavy attacks to damage them, so every class is capable of doing enough damage.

redspecter23

As mentioned above, if you're looking to get the best experience out of these dungeons, join a good pve guild and/or run it with friends. Expecting total strangers to go out of their way for a complete unknown isn't a realistic expectation. Some will do it from time to time, but most in zone are just looking for a clean fast run. If they wanted to do a training run, they would advertise as such. Also, nothing is stopping you from advertising a run for inexperienced players to all go in and run together and learn it together.

Zerok

No way I'm taking an unexperienced PUG into vWGT or vICP. In fact, for these dungeons I prefer to run it with guildmates on TS, and you should probably do the same.

For all the other vet dungeons, I don't mind taking an unexperienced PUG in the group as long as he listens when I explain the mechanics.

On your comment about players wanting class-specific roles, you're perfectly right. Players who ask for templar healers have probably never seen a good nightblade healer in action

Voxicity

Honestly not sure why you're having such a bad response here. Me and my partner took a couple of pugs into vICP for their first time (130cp and 150cp) and we did fine. I think sometimes people are just *** at explaining mechanics.

Waseem

i have no problem running any vet dungeon with random group, vwgt or icp i would do if only 1 dude max didnt visit the place before, however.. if im hosting a helmet farm run i just ask for exp players and kick non-exp players who joined only because they lied to join the group.

jkolb2030

I've actually never completed vICP with a PUG group before... We always get to the atronarch before people give up and start leaving..Now, i'm no pro at this game and I sure as hell dont pull max DPS with my CP 335 DK, but i put up good numbers.. It was fun to run it with the PUG, learning more as we went - but we were in there for nearly 3 hrs..

However, my slightly above average DPS is not enough to hold a group together of really low CP players who do not know the mechanics of the dungeon fights. I myself know the mechanics up until Lord Warden (who I've never gotten to fight yet, unfortunately) so I didnt mind explaining it to them, but explaining the mechanics and having them able to follow through are 2 separate things - whether its their stats lacking or their overall play style. Wiping so many times in those specifically long dungeons can really drain someone mentally.

With that said, I agree that the elitism is pretty much wrong - but some players are trying to speed run or farm sets and they just don't want to deal with the back end of teaching new players; It's just something that you're always going to run into with vICP and vWGT.

I highly recommend you joining a PvE guild to run with them. You'll have an overall better experience your first time through, guaranteed. If you are on XB1 I can invite you to my guild - I cant help with PC or PS4 unfortunately.

xilfxlegion

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

The issue with only wanting either experienced players is that there are only so many players who are that bloody experienced. Let's take veteran White-Gold Tower. I'm not the most experienced with the dungeon, but I'm willing to learn. A lot of people want to do that dungeon, but most people advertising in zone chat only want experienced players. Take a couple people new to the dungeon and teach the ropes. Who knows, you may end up in a reall good group.
Now with wanting only certain classes and builds for certain roles in groups is a major setback. Some roles, more so the healer, are much better to be a certain class than other. A templar healer is possibly the most potent healer of them all, but that doesn't mean the other classes can't be good healers. As for tanks and DPS, the combinations are endless. Any class can tank with the proper build, and for DPS, there are numerous builds. You could end up in a group with just one class or all classes. Each person's role effectiveness is based on how they play the class, not the class itself.

i joined a guild about two weeks ago, called old man meta --- before that i couldnt finish any dungeons, not i have a couple of speed run achievements under my belt. if youre on xbl message me and i will get you an invite. the people there are awesome and have no problem teaching the mechanics of the dungeons and trials.

Ep1kMalware

Zerok wrote: »

No way I'm taking an unexperienced PUG into vWGT or vICP. In fact, for these dungeons I prefer to run it with guildmates on TS, and you should probably do the same.

For all the other vet dungeons, I don't mind taking an unexperienced PUG in the group as long as he listens when I explain the mechanics.

On your comment about players wanting class-specific roles, you're perfectly right. Players who ask for templar healers have probably never seen a good nightblade healer in action

nah, I que for whatever. I can confidant;t say at least half of the pug groups I'm in can finish wgt, probably about 25% can finish [rison.

mainly see troubles on inhibitor/last phade of kena.

for prison it's often the first boss that fails most of the groups I've seen. not many seem to understand the 'take it slow' approah you need. last boss isn't that bad, if you can heal through the warden's gatling crap you can solo this boss, or at least get it to the shades, kill off a couple, amd get some rezses in. my resources are a bit tight at that point. >.<

Ep1kMalware

I actually see groups of 2-3 join amd que for extras. for many new to wgt/prison I'd actually recomend queojg for them. there's some diamonds im the rough, amd if you bump into them you can ,ake some new friends/farming buddies.

Rainteal

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

The issue with only wanting either experienced players is that there are only so many players who are that bloody experienced. Let's take veteran White-Gold Tower. I'm not the most experienced with the dungeon, but I'm willing to learn. A lot of people want to do that dungeon, but most people advertising in zone chat only want experienced players. Take a couple people new to the dungeon and teach the ropes. Who knows, you may end up in a reall good group.
Now with wanting only certain classes and builds for certain roles in groups is a major setback. Some roles, more so the healer, are much better to be a certain class than other. A templar healer is possibly the most potent healer of them all, but that doesn't mean the other classes can't be good healers. As for tanks and DPS, the combinations are endless. Any class can tank with the proper build, and for DPS, there are numerous builds. You could end up in a group with just one class or all classes. Each person's role effectiveness is based on how they play the class, not the class itself.

I understand your frustration here, but there is another solution if you are willing to learn.

Put a group together for it yourself where you set the invite rules. Done. There are loads of folks out there that want to run that content but are not members of guilds that run it nor meet zone chat "requirements."

It may take a little time to get it down if you run with folks that are less/not experienced with it, but there is a great deal of fun and sense of accomplishment to be had there. Heck, that is how I came up in this game. I remember beating my head against the wall leading groups trying to kill Grobell in vet Darkshade. That IS the fun of clearing content.

With the current state of vICP and vWGT (as examples), you should do very well leading a group through.

You can do it!

bertenburnyb16_ESO

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

And before anyone says sorcs can't be good DPS, on both magicka and stamina builds, my sorc hits pretty darn hard. Either lightning staff for magicka or dw/bow for stam.

I do miss that LOL button