ZOS, PLEASE don't "fix" costumes hiding vampirism!

Phinix1

We have waited two years for you to add glamours to allow vampires to properly RP as illusionists. Now that you have finally added a way to do so, word has come to this one that you plan to "fix" this as a bug?

This hurts no one, takes away from no one's play. Costumes and armor can already completely hide vampirism in PVP, and addons for PC can still show it even when it is hidden. There is no reason to take this away other than to be mean!

PLEASE, consider leaving the world drop costume effect of hiding vampirism, and simply allow Crown store costumes and actual armor to show it.

Phinix1

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno do you gals know if they really intend to "fix" this?

CaptainVenom

No, remove it. But I will explain SOME reason for saying this other than just to troll the poll and take something from someone else to be mean or not be taken seriously in my vote!

I think if you want to be a vampire, you may need to look like one. They are ugly as hell, but well, that's the price for vampirism.

Phinix1

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

CaptainVenom wrote: »

I think if you want to be a vampire, you may need to look like one. They are ugly as hell, but well, that's the price for vampirism.

Yet people can choose to be a werewolf with absolutely no visual signs whatsoever unless they transform?

I understand what you are saying but in the interest of balance and RP I don't really think it is right.

They talked about adding a toggle and I support that. However this is here now.

I don't think they should "fix" it until the toggle is available.

CaptainVenom

No, remove it. But I will explain SOME reason for saying this other than just to troll the poll and take something from someone else to be mean or not be taken seriously in my vote!

Phinix1 wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

I think if you want to be a vampire, you may need to look like one. They are ugly as hell, but well, that's the price for vampirism.

Yet people can choose to be a werewolf with absolutely no visual signs whatsoever unless they transform?

I understand what you are saying but in the interest of balance and RP I don't really think it is right.

They talked about adding a toggle and I support that. However this is here now.

I don't think they should "fix" it until the toggle is available.

According to the folklore in which werewolves were based of for the game, the werewolf, while not in beast form during full moon, is a common individual, with no signs of being cursed. Vampires, however, have red glowing eyes, pale hair and skin. As we see in fables, they are, after all, undead creatures, and werewolves are living ones.

People could ask for a visual revamp, somewhat like those vampire characters from Castlevania games, though...

notimetocare

No, remove it. But I will explain SOME reason for saying this other than just to troll the poll and take something from someone else to be mean or not be taken seriously in my vote!

I don't like bugs altering the game, regardless of what it is.

Smasherx74

No, remove it. But I will explain SOME reason for saying this other than just to troll the poll and take something from someone else to be mean or not be taken seriously in my vote!

I suppose to be fair the Vampires in Skyrim no one seemed to notice were actually vampires despite their eyes obviously being.

Maybe if there was a passive for vampires to look normal beisdes their eyes? zos?

nine9six

No, remove it. But I will explain SOME reason for saying this other than just to troll the poll and take something from someone else to be mean or not be taken seriously in my vote!

Vampires should look like vampires.

Wreuntzylla

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

Illusionist. A person who performs tricks to deceive the eye.

Vampirism doesn't affect quests at all. In Rivenspire, you are not aware that certain NPCs are vamps for a period of time. There is no lore reason to be visibly vampiric.

Even outside of Tamriel, vampire lore speaks to land owners (castles), travelers and human daytime representatives.

Im ok with transparency in pvp. But the detriment is 20% greater fire damage, etc.

Rohamad_Ali

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

Even with stage 4 showing it doesn't change the way NPCs react to you . Making vampires show there vampirism as some form of punishment is forced RP . No one should be forced to RP .

Vaoh

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

Would be better to have a hide option altogether. People will know I'm a Vampire if I use Vampire skills.

They don't figure it out by zooming in to first person, CCing me, and then trying to get a good look lol.

Tryxus

Take pride in being a hunter of the night, and do not disguise your true form

Draxys

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

I'm definitely in favor of leaving it the way it is. I seriously thought it was an actually implemented feature. My DK is forced to be a vamp to elusive mist through the hordes of bombards in pvp, it would be a nice "quality of life" thing to be able to wear a costume and not look like a white walker with red eyes.

Vaoh

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

Tryxus wrote: »

Take pride in being a hunter of the night, and do not disguise your true form

No thank you.

FleetwoodSmack

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

Doncellius wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Take pride in being a hunter of the night, and do not disguise your true form

No thank you.

I am horrified right now. Ooooooh my god. Why is he smiling like that?!

Tryxus

Doncellius wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Take pride in being a hunter of the night, and do not disguise your true form

No thank you.

Are you sure you're a vampire?

MrDreadful

Doncellius wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Take pride in being a hunter of the night, and do not disguise your true form

No thank you.

Uncle Jim?! I thought you died in that meth lab explosion!

Vaoh

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Take pride in being a hunter of the night, and do not disguise your true form

No thank you.

I am horrified right now. Ooooooh my god. Why is he smiling like that?!

Looked for you for a long time....

Finally found you O_o

Vaoh

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

@Tryxus
Vampire, skooma dealer, father..., whatever you want him to be...

@MrDreadful
Uncle is only one way he's related to your family.

ntheogenic

No, remove it. But I will explain SOME reason for saying this other than just to troll the poll and take something from someone else to be mean or not be taken seriously in my vote!

Right now it's just bugged and inconsistent and I would like to see this fixed.

BUT: Since the vampire look is just another skin that can be overridden by other skins in the collection, I would like to have this added to the collection. Then people could choose whether they want the pale look or not. You could unlock it when you first finish the vampire quest. And it could be disabled for non-vampire characters.

I don't want something taken from someone, but I would prefer to see ZOS go for a proper implementation of a feature that people have requested a few times, rather than them just stumbling into an accidental-semi-working-fix-by-bug-let's-call-it-a-feature thingy.

starkerealm

No, remove it. But I will explain SOME reason for saying this other than just to troll the poll and take something from someone else to be mean or not be taken seriously in my vote!

The disguises hiding vampirism? Yeah, I'm fine with that going, but please give us the ability, somehow, to suppress our vampirism visuals. Even if it's just that at stage 1 with now vampirism abilities slotted, your vampirism skin is suppressed. Or failing that, a "mortal skin" unlock for reaching Master Vampire. Please guys.

Tryxus

starkerealm wrote: »

The disguises hiding vampirism? Yeah, I'm fine with that going, but please give us the ability, somehow, to suppress our vampirism visuals. Even if it's just that at stage 1 with now vampirism abilities slotted, your vampirism skin is suppressed. Or failing that, a "mortal skin" unlock for reaching Master Vampire. Please guys.

A shrine to Clavicus Vile, 2nd patron of the Cyrodiilic Bloodline. Whose Vampires can pass through for regular mortals, as long as they're fed...

LadyNalcarya

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

starkerealm wrote: »

The disguises hiding vampirism? Yeah, I'm fine with that going, but please give us the ability, somehow, to suppress our vampirism visuals. Even if it's just that at stage 1 with now vampirism abilities slotted, your vampirism skin is suppressed. Or failing that, a "mortal skin" unlock for reaching Master Vampire. Please guys.

This.
Vampires in TES games have never been pretty, but I dont understand why my khajiit should become white when her fur is actually black. And why tattoos/makeup fade so drastically...

Cryptical

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

It's a matter of unequal treatment.

Costumes already hide your entire class identity from plain sight, preparing the way for a possible nasty surprise. Got a sorc with all the stuff you want on one bar? Duplicate most of the abilities, stick a greatsword in your hands, and put on that orsimer regalia costume that looks like a mix of medium and heavy armor... Someone who starts tossing spells is going to be surprised to see you shrug them off, since you appear to be some sort of stamina build.

Or take your all-heavy armored dragon knight and put on the formal robes costume, and when your health bar doesn't twitch while you have no trouble breaking free of 8 CC effects in a row, someone is going to be upset with the results.

Because character class has active abilities, while race is just a handful of passives, what class you are is the most fundamental aspect of your character. Yet, that most fundamental element is completely obscured by costumes. While vampirism is a temporary element, able to be undertaken and then cast aside as many times as the player desires - yet vampirism is given more prevalence in the character depiction than the class itself?!?!

That smells like unequal treatment of vampires. To allow the complete concealment of the most basic character trait while forcing the lesser trait of vampirism to show through results in a form of grief that falls solely on the vampire community's shoulders.

For consistency's sake, either allow vampirism to be concealed like the more-fundamental trait of Class can currently be concealed; or if character appearance is so important then follow through and disable costumes in cyrodiil.

ParaNostram

No, remove it. But I will explain SOME reason for saying this other than just to troll the poll and take something from someone else to be mean or not be taken seriously in my vote!

How about instead we have a toggle for it? That sounds good to me personally.

Draxys

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

Cryptical wrote: »

It's a matter of unequal treatment.

Costumes already hide your entire class identity from plain sight, preparing the way for a possible nasty surprise. Got a sorc with all the stuff you want on one bar? Duplicate most of the abilities, stick a greatsword in your hands, and put on that orsimer regalia costume that looks like a mix of medium and heavy armor... Someone who starts tossing spells is going to be surprised to see you shrug them off, since you appear to be some sort of stamina build.

Or take your all-heavy armored dragon knight and put on the formal robes costume, and when your health bar doesn't twitch while you have no trouble breaking free of 8 CC effects in a row, someone is going to be upset with the results.

Because character class has active abilities, while race is just a handful of passives, what class you are is the most fundamental aspect of your character. Yet, that most fundamental element is completely obscured by costumes. While vampirism is a temporary element, able to be undertaken and then cast aside as many times as the player desires - yet vampirism is given more prevalence in the character depiction than the class itself?!?!

That smells like unequal treatment of vampires. To allow the complete concealment of the most basic character trait while forcing the lesser trait of vampirism to show through results in a form of grief that falls solely on the vampire community's shoulders.

For consistency's sake, either allow vampirism to be concealed like the more-fundamental trait of Class can currently be concealed; or if character appearance is so important then follow through and disable costumes in cyrodiil.

I voted same as you, but your point doesn't make much sense. Without add ons, you already have a tough time telling what class someone is, costumes don't help that in any way. If a person has blood spawn and medium armor, is a tiny female, you can maybe guess that they're a bosmer stamina build, but that's it. And if you do run combat add ons, they tell you what class someone is.

Runs

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

NPC vampires are not so "ugly as hell" I don't know why we have to be.

But, I wouldn't mind a compromise. What if other people see me for the vampire that I am, but I see myself as I was before the change.

Korah_Eaglecry

No, remove it. But I will explain SOME reason for saying this other than just to troll the poll and take something from someone else to be mean or not be taken seriously in my vote!

Phinix1 wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

I think if you want to be a vampire, you may need to look like one. They are ugly as hell, but well, that's the price for vampirism.

Yet people can choose to be a werewolf with absolutely no visual signs whatsoever unless they transform?

I understand what you are saying but in the interest of balance and RP I don't really think it is right.

They talked about adding a toggle and I support that. However this is here now.

I don't think they should "fix" it until the toggle is available.

Balance.........come on kid. You just tried to use werewolves as your counter argument.

Also OP. If you cant make a poll without throwing around shade for anyone that might disagree with you. You shouldnt be making polls.

ListerJMC

Since we don't have a toggle for skin and eye effects, I'd like for them not to fix this bug so we have a way to look good.

HOWEVER if they do add a toggle as I think they should, I'd like it to be fixed for those who like the vampiric appearance.

Personally, I'd love to toggle the skin effect off since it for some silly reason the disease turned my Redguard purple and set the eyes to stage 1 or 2 if I could. I took a lot of time making my character and it annoys me how much vampirism changed him it wasn't subtle at all. It's in the lore that they can hide their appearance, and it makes no effect on game play since you can cover yourself up 100% with armor anyway (and I mean have to seen stage 4 vampires? Why wouldn't you want to cover yourself up!).

ShadowHvo

No, remove it. But I will explain SOME reason for saying this other than just to troll the poll and take something from someone else to be mean or not be taken seriously in my vote!

Because I -love- the look of vampires and I want it to be maintained whilst wearing costumes?

What they should add is just another skin that is called "Mortal" or something, removing the vampire skin, whilst allowing you to wear any costume/hat/hair/facial you desire.

Then we all get exactly what we want, no harms done.

LegacyDM

Yes, please allow world-drop costumes to hide vampirism.

Dawn breaker of smiling is already op. Giving players in pvp access to knowing who is a vamp and whose not will be completely op.