Nightblades and RD / Re-Introduce Soft Caps?

Paarthurnax · July 2016

Hello. I believe Stamina Nightblades' Ultimate, Incapacitating Strike, can hit too hard when players stack a lot of weapon damage because they can deal too much damage with it and its ultimate cost is very low. I also believe Templar's Radiant Oppression (morph) does too much damage in PvP. I tried to block the incoming damage but I got stunned into an Ambush and killed instantly before I could break free. Is 26,000 health too low? is 2100+ critical resistance too low? because I take a lot of damage with these statistics. Thank you!

OGLezard · July 2016

lol

LBxFinalDeath · July 2016

Nerf Talons, Fear, and Petrify and I'd fully support nerfing of NBs and Templars. (Soft-caps technically would be a nerf)

All are cheese skills that can be too easily abused, the three previously mentioned can lead to the fabled "unbreakable stunlocks"...which can be amplified if the opponent is a reverb spammer too.

Crit resist only helps if you're fighting a crit build and it seems to be the thing nowadays to try and hit as hard as possible without having crit...in order to counter high crit resist players.

26K is actually a lot higher than most players, I'm pretty sure.

P.S: lol.

Voxicity · July 2016

Incap strike is dodge rollable, radiant can be broken with line of sight

next please!

LBxFinalDeath · July 2016

If only that were true @KaiVox22

Run behind a keep wall/tree/formation of rocks or any other cover?

85% chance of the beam going through it cuz lol wynaut.

99.9% chance of the Jesus Beam going through every tree in Cyrodiil too if we're just talkin' trying to use the most common cover, I'd say.

Incap strike is infamous for locking people in place (reportedly feels like you'd need to CC break but you can't) in order for it to hit as well, Soul Harvest does not do this.

Tryxus · July 2016

Also consider: Ambush grants Empower on the next attack. So that Incap is 20% stronger than normal

Father_X_Zombie · July 2016

Paarthurnax wrote: »

Hello. I believe Stamina Nightblades' Ultimate, Incapacitating Strike, can hit too hard when players stack a lot of weapon damage because they can deal too much damage with it and its ultimate cost is very low. I also believe Templar's Radiant Oppression (morph) does too much damage in PvP. I tried to block the incoming damage but I got stunned into an Ambush and killed instantly before I could break free. Is 26,000 health too low? is 2100+ critical resistance too low? because I take a lot of damage with these statistics. Thank you!

Paarthurnax, I agree with you, but prepare your self for a storm of hate.

You used the "Radiant" and "incap" words in a negative way

Voxicity · July 2016

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

If only that were true @KaiVox22

Run behind a keep wall/tree/formation of rocks or any other cover?

85% chance of the beam going through it cuz lol wynaut.

Incap strike is infamous for locking people in place (reportedly feels like you'd need to CC break but you can't) in order for it to hit as well, Soul Harvest does not do this.

Run behind a church, pray to the gods

and use lockpicks to break incap strikes lock

LBxFinalDeath · July 2016

That would explain why it freezes you in place, I never would have guessed I was meant to lockpick the Incap strikes lock.

The Gods can't save you from Tamriel Destruction, don't give false hope.

The only hope you have is if its a sole Templar doing it without any friendlies nearby, easy kill then...otherwise 24/7 Beam on you that procs instakill if you get hit by...Idk the previously mentioned Incap strike?

Mind was blown.

Molag_Crow · July 2016

Yeah! at one point, I could tank Nightblades, now I can't really tank them so well because ZOS obviously love giving them more and more weapon damage and tons of stuns

Molag_Crow · July 2016

Cyrodiil has literally turned into a Stamina Nightblade-fest

all's they do is YouTube Sypher and boom! good to go.

Phinix1 · July 2016

They just need to bump the debuff from Battle Spirit up another notch.

The whole point of Battle Spirit was to counter the constant meta chase to avoid combat by stacking tons of damage and animation cancelling your way to unchallenged victory.

Winning without an actual fight might seem like victory to some, but it is weak, unsportsmanlike, and defeats the spirit of PVP.

Battle Spirit was supposed to make fights last longer, and give players a chance to actually engage in combat as opposed to playing horse simulator for 5 minutes just to be insta-ganked by some meta-chasing weirdo with a FoTM burst build.

It clearly isn't working.

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Incap strike is dodge rollable, radiant can be broken with line of sight

next please!

kadar · July 2016

@Paarthurnax +1 for name

1) First and most important, you should be wearing at least 5 pieces of Impenetrable gear. EDIT: I just noticed you claim to have 2100 crit resist. I have no idea how you could possibly take that much damage from incap. Maybe a 5k wpn dmg gank build? I wear 5 or 6 pieces of medium impen and never have never taken an incap crit higher than 7-8k. And I've eaten incaps from some very high quality players on PC NA.

2) Dawnbreaker of Smiting does twice the damage of Incap, knocks down, and is an AOE (thereby un-dodgeable).

3) We've been over this already. ZOS agreed that with the changes to Incap it would hit too hard, so the skill (all morphs) received a 5% (I think?) damage nerf.

Skitttles · July 2016

Zergplars inc to defend RD

Toast_STS · July 2016

nvm

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

Skitttles wrote: »

Zergplars inc to defend RD

RD is a beam of sunshine that brightens everyone in groups day . Why would anyone want to take away a beam of sunshine ?

leepalmer95 · July 2016

Incap is fine, DBOS is stronger.

The guy likely stacks weapon damage and crit damage, could easily be 1.8x.

I love the way you got hit for a 19k beam and got hit with hunt after it.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2016

I didnt read this thread, but I agree. NBs need RD.

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

Eternal Hunt too stronk, buff it!

Ch4mpTW · July 2016

Nightblades are long overdue for a "fixing" or "retweaking". But, it appears that finally the things I've been saying for months are starting to become more and more clear. As I said in the bro @Molag_Crow thread about Nightblades, people claimed it was all a "L2P issue". Heh... The only question is, will @Wrobel and the other devs finally get the picture?

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2016

Nerf everything. Leave us with heavy attacks. Nope ... I forgot weapons are unbalanced ... fists only ... wait ... Khajit have claws.

Let's all hug.

Ok perfect. Nothing but hugs and dodge rolls.

Seriously though, what can I equip that will make you all happy? I wouldn't want to possibly equip something deemed cheese because using what you're given is so clearly unfair. Am I allowed to spam entropy? Will that show my skill? Please enlighten me as to what I'm allowed to use so that everyone's happy. Wait ... I did it again ... being enlightened is cheese because I should have had my 501 CP 17 months ago. Wait ... CP is unfair. Everything is unfair!!' Waaaaaaa!!!

For the love of God. Just stop. If you're dying too much change your build and stop standing in red circles. These nerf threads are out of hand.

Get off my lawn.