War Mount is incredibly misleading!

UltimaJoe777

Could you please fix the tooltip for it Zenimax?

Current tooltip: Improves your mastery with mounts, removing all Stamina costs outside of combat.

What it should say: Improves your mastery with mounts, allowing you to Gallop with no cost to your mount's Stamina outside of combat.

Eshelmen

Improves your mastery with mounts, removing all Stamina costs outside of combat.

I never once thought this means negating stamina costs anywhere else but with said mount. As it clearly states it's talking about your mount. Hence the name "War Mount" should be another indicator.

Come on Joe! Surely you couldn't believe that!

UltimaJoe777

Eshelmen wrote: »

Improves your mastery with mounts, removing all Stamina costs outside of combat.

I never once thought this means negating stamina costs anywhere else but with said mount. As it clearly states it's talking about your mount. Hence the name "War Mount" should be another indicator.

Come on Joe! Surely you couldn't believe that!

Well the same could be said about Carry Capacity from riding skill lessons. Also it doesn't exactly account for Rapid Maneuver either, although I have not checked that out yet.

Either way, vague tooltip is vague, and it wouldn't hurt for it to be more specific.

Eshelmen

It is worded a little strange, I'll give you that.
and with rapids, it's a universal ability. I can pop it while I'm running and it still works.

UltimaJoe777

Eshelmen wrote: »

It is worded a little strange, I'll give you that.
and with rapids, it's a universal ability. I can pop it while I'm running and it still works.

Yeah and honestly your Stamina recovers while mounted so even if War Mount DOES effect using Rapid Maneuver while mounted it's not that big a deal. I won't lie; I really did have high hopes for this based on the tooltip. Imagine being able to sprint around without draining Stamina... Would've been bliss Not to mention a huge help for my Werewolf lol

Eshelmen

They could change the word "all" and put "the only single" stamina cost that a mount uses. lol

UltimaJoe777

Eshelmen wrote: »

They could change the word "all" and put "the only single" stamina cost that a mount uses. lol

Exactly!

...Wonder if they'd consider making Windrunner cut the cost of Sprinting by so much it's practically costless

nordsavage

The tool tip is clear enough. Mounts in the passive's name and mounts in the description.

UltimaJoe777

nordsavage wrote: »

The tool tip is clear enough. Mounts in the passive's name and mounts in the description.

Doesn't mean people won't try to compare it to having increased Carry Capacity from riding lessons always instead of only while mounted (which would make no sense) and think that "all costs" could apply while dismounted too.

nordsavage

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

The tool tip is clear enough. Mounts in the passive's name and mounts in the description.

Doesn't mean people won't try to compare it to having increased Carry Capacity from riding lessons always instead of only while mounted (which would make no sense) and think that "all costs" could apply while dismounted too.

There is no logical way to only have carrying capacity while mounted as you have to have the items in your inventory before you mount because you dismount to loot or harvest. Lack of comprehension is a user issue in both situations.

UltimaJoe777

nordsavage wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

The tool tip is clear enough. Mounts in the passive's name and mounts in the description.

Doesn't mean people won't try to compare it to having increased Carry Capacity from riding lessons always instead of only while mounted (which would make no sense) and think that "all costs" could apply while dismounted too.

There is no logical way to only have carrying capacity while mounted as you have to have the items in your inventory before you mount because you dismount to loot or harvest. Lack of comprehension is a user issue in both situations.

In case you didn't notice the parenthesis part I bolded it for you. What I am getting at is the fact that riding lessons, which are supposed to apply only to mounts, has something that works always instead of just while mounted is exactly WHY people can mistake that "all Stamina costs" for something incorrect. I have always been iffy on it but honestly hoped it literally meant "all" costs but then got it and found out what it was. It's not a big deal and there are people who won't think of it beyond what it truly is but that doesn't justify it saying "all" in reference to "one" cost. No mistake, no miscomprehension.

nordsavage

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

The tool tip is clear enough. Mounts in the passive's name and mounts in the description.

Doesn't mean people won't try to compare it to having increased Carry Capacity from riding lessons always instead of only while mounted (which would make no sense) and think that "all costs" could apply while dismounted too.

There is no logical way to only have carrying capacity while mounted as you have to have the items in your inventory before you mount because you dismount to loot or harvest. Lack of comprehension is a user issue in both situations.

In case you didn't notice the parenthesis part I bolded it for you. What I am getting at is the fact that riding lessons, which are supposed to apply only to mounts, has something that works always instead of just while mounted is exactly WHY people can mistake that "all Stamina costs" for something incorrect. I have always been iffy on it but honestly hoped it literally meant "all" costs but then got it and found out what it was. It's not a big deal and there are people who won't think of it beyond what it truly is but that doesn't justify it saying "all" in reference to "one" cost. No mistake, no miscomprehension.

If it is not big deal why bother making a thread.

UltimaJoe777

nordsavage wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

The tool tip is clear enough. Mounts in the passive's name and mounts in the description.

Doesn't mean people won't try to compare it to having increased Carry Capacity from riding lessons always instead of only while mounted (which would make no sense) and think that "all costs" could apply while dismounted too.

There is no logical way to only have carrying capacity while mounted as you have to have the items in your inventory before you mount because you dismount to loot or harvest. Lack of comprehension is a user issue in both situations.

In case you didn't notice the parenthesis part I bolded it for you. What I am getting at is the fact that riding lessons, which are supposed to apply only to mounts, has something that works always instead of just while mounted is exactly WHY people can mistake that "all Stamina costs" for something incorrect. I have always been iffy on it but honestly hoped it literally meant "all" costs but then got it and found out what it was. It's not a big deal and there are people who won't think of it beyond what it truly is but that doesn't justify it saying "all" in reference to "one" cost. No mistake, no miscomprehension.

If it is not big deal why bother making a thread.

Because we give feedback to improve the game, be it a big or small improvement. Something this small would honestly be no trouble at all to correct, but would not be corrected if no one spoke up.

Apocalypse1981

Never thought about anything like that OP.
I mean... Off course its when you are mounted!!!
Oohhh man....

UltimaJoe777

Apocalypse1981 wrote: »

Never thought about anything like that OP.
I mean... Off course its when you are mounted!!!
Oohhh man....

Except there is literally nothing but your horse's stamina bar that is consumed while mounted, barring Rapid Maneuver. Therefore it should not say "all". Haven't tested myself but I'm pretty sure Rapid Maneuver while mounted would still consume Stamina.

DannyLV702

I honestly never had a problem understanding what it meant. It's a pretty good perk for someone with a new mount that has no points invested into stamina. Although the cost to allocate 120 points into that tree is definitely not worth it

UltimaJoe777

DannyLV702 wrote: »

I honestly never had a problem understanding what it meant. It's a pretty good perk for someone with a new mount that has no points invested into stamina. Although the cost to allocate 120 points into that tree is definitely not worth it

I agree, but only in the sense investing towards it is not a good idea if you have maxed Mount Stamina, which is why I think the tooltip should be modified a bit so people don't misunderstand and invest toward it only to find out what it really does and spend 3k to respec.

Eteson24

Idk why you thought that, but its clearly not that. The tooltip clearly states that it pertains to your mount.

BlackEar

It is not needed imo. It is quite clear what they mean.

mistermutiny89

Pretty obvious to most but if it needs spelling out for some (definitely the op, his reasonings for some debates are other worldly) then so be it.

Cryptical

Nobody points out it is a "war" mount benefit that only functions when not engaged in war.

It's like a flashlight that only functions in direct sunlight.

Transairion

I'm sorry I can't agree, I thought it was pretty clear given it's labelled "War Mount" not "War Sprint". It only works while mounted.

It's Well-Fitted for reduced sprint speed trait, no? There's an item set (Prisoners Rags?) as well that is 50% less sprint cost as well, which I always found kind of hilarious.

NewBlacksmurf

I read it to need a change too but I've come to a point where the devs do a terrible job whether it's unclear or possibly broken.

You figure it out eventually but being that my CP decisions are rarely based on the unlocks, I figured OH Well

Psyonico

nordsavage wrote: »

There is no logical way to only have carrying capacity while mounted as you have to have the items in your inventory before you mount because you dismount to loot or harvest. Lack of comprehension is a user issue in both situations.

It is still confusing AF to new players. I remember when I first started playing, I never upgraded it, because "why should I upgrade my carry capacity while mounted?"

NewBlacksmurf

Psyonico wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

There is no logical way to only have carrying capacity while mounted as you have to have the items in your inventory before you mount because you dismount to loot or harvest. Lack of comprehension is a user issue in both situations.

It is still confusing AF to new players. I remember when I first started playing, I never upgraded it, because "why should I upgrade my carry capacity while mounted?"

Definately this was unclear to many. I new how it worked cause of closed beta and stuff but there were many conversations on console where folks found out in groups it was worth upgrading.