My Greatest ESO Fear a Reality

Ch4mpTW

Hey everyone, I just wanted to talk with everyone here about a few things deeply bothering me. And shed some light on a few things that some feel must remain in the dark. I'll try to keep things as civil as possible, and as "Rated-G" as possible. I'm on my last strike here on the forums, and don't want to end-up getting banned for good. I've already been suspended a few times over petty things, that no other forum would snipe me over. I am a moderator on a few popular forums myself, but regardless — this is ZOS' forums. And by becoming a member, I agreed to their terms. And ZOS is entitled to do whatever they want, as it is their property. And I respect this. Nonetheless, let's get on to it.

First and foremost, I would like to talk about the state of getting help. No, not with class balance-wise. Nor PVP-wise. I mean the game itself. As in the support team. It's reached a point that people's characters are trapped in areas, and when they reach out to the people that are supposed to help them...? They get told by support that they (support) can no longer assist the person in need of help, and will be closing the ticket. That's sad... And it's heartbreaking that the people who are supposed to be there to help you, aren't exactly helping people. But nonetheless, things happen. And workloads can become overwhelming, so I suppose that can slide. But that segways into the next topic.

The topic of coding and programming itself. If things were truly coded and programmed properly, as well as thoroughly analyzed and tested to the fullest? With feedback being not only studied, but considered and tested? People would not be having their characters locked in areas, and having to have them moved. A lot of the bugs and errors would not be occurring in the first place. The dashboarding, blue-screening, application crashes, etc. would be far and few. But, this is ZOS' first major game. So, it is expected to have a rough first couple of years. Okay. That's fine. Onto to the next topic which connects right into testing and analyzing.

Which is just that — testing and analyzing. We get told all the time of how the developers and play this game, but do they really...? I keep wanting to believe that they really do, but how can you play something that constantly: Crashes, freezes, and glitches out? I mean, in order to play something... Shouldn't that something be able to work, and perform functions outside of the most basic of things? Not give you a load screen after taking a few steps after just exiting a load screen, or crash in the middle of a action being performed? But, ESO is a relatively large game. And the devs are devs after all. They're busy people who care about the state of the game, as well as customer satisfaction. So, it can be overlooked. Which ties straight to the next.

When are things going to stop being overlooked? A lot of things get brought to the attention on the PTS long before it ever touches the live release, and it gets overlooked entirely. Regardless of the pages and pages of information, as well as thread after thread created to shed light on things. They get either closed for "running its course", or some other reason neither here nor there. But, people should expect that deadlines being met should have more importance than the game running in decent condition. Let alone pristine condition. Which segways straight into this....

The topic of forum conduct. Not exactly the conduct of the users, but the staff. Did you all know that I as well as a few others are literally paranoid to post threads, and make comments on threads 90% of the time? Because we don't want our forum accounts terminated, and for us to be punished for speaking on something that is blatantly wrong and not right. Every single time I make a post, I grit my teeth throughout the thread's livelihood in hopes that I don't get terminated for breaking some obscure rule I had no clue about. Or for an admin or moderator misinterpreting my words. Honestly. Even in typing this up, I'm low-key scared af. And while my gut is telling me that this thread was long overdue, in the back of my mind I feel as though this will be my last post here. And I've met some truly fantastic people, and made some incredible allies and friends. Some of the most intellectual and kindest people I've ever come across, I've met here on the forums. And at any moment I am worried that I may get on the bad side of a staff member, and it'll all be ripped away from me. Bad as it is the game won't let me play it a lot of the time from its constant bugs, crashes, and freezes... Now I worry that if I'm not always observing and not actually contributing, I'll have the community on official forums taken from me. How much has to be taken away from me...? Why did things have to reach this point...? Why is the game in this state, as well as the forums, and the support? Well... That leads into the last topic...

People genuinely not caring, but putting on a front that they do. And people who sincerely care about the: Community, game, etc. feeling outcasted and shunned...

My greatest ESO fear is, other people feeling how I feel about all things involving this game and connected to it... And day by day others begin to feel this way, and endure it. And those who've been felt this way remain in silence about it, but because they are addicted to playing — they endure it. And just suck it up.

And to the admins and mods who may jam me up over this thread, please know this was just meant to be some "special coffee talk". Please don't terminate me for finally saying what I've been afraid to say for a while now. I don't want to be punished for finally shedding light on a few things that keep having darkness and veils thrown over them. I don't want to lose the buddies I made here on the forums, so please don't take this thread to extreme measures. Please don't take it there. And I know you may not like this thread, but when can we as a community discuss and face things that we may not want to discuss and face? When can the truth of things be finally brought up, and explained in detail with the community as a whole? And this is no conspiracy thread, no shaming thread, none of that. Just a thread to cast some light....

And to the the regular users, I love you guys. While I may have had a bad encounter or 2 with a few users, you all are awesome. Seriously. I've met some of the most epic people right here on these forums. And for giving me these sweet memories and food for thought, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. And if this by a chance is the last post and or thread I ever make due to being terminated, I just wanted you all know how much you all meant to me. Each and every one of you guys. The folks who gave constructive responses, and those who said "L2P" alike. Y'all are amazing and the real MVP. And this isn't a goodbye thread. But, if I do get terminated here on the forums? I suppose this is a goodbye thread, and I look forward to running into you in the game on Mac or PS4. I primarily play on PS4, and my handle is: "ChampionAbsolute" without the quotes if you want to reach me.

Well... That's all. Gonna hope the game finally lets me in, without giving me the standard error message. And hopefully go farm some dungeons or trials with some buddies. Take care guys.

nordsavage

You're still here? How many times are you going to quit or try and fan flames on the forums.

Roechacca

nordsavage wrote: »

You're still here? How many times are you going to quit or try and fan flames on the forums.

You don't have to read every thread you know.

Skcarkden

On topic of getting stuck....

this is the first MMO i ever played that has such a primitive and arrogant design. For example:

Other MMO's:Let's not get ahead of ourselves, and design failsafes, if someone somehow gets stuck they can type /unstuck and it'll put them back onto the closest walkable path again so they don't have to travel back, at no cost.

For ESO: Oh, you're stuck? That'll be 50 gold, and we'll be forcing you to spawn at a shrine far away. You don't have 50 gold? You should have thought about that before we designed the game!


No joke, i have been stuck in a pillar because some npc in the desert used a knock-back attack on me and it forced me inside of it, i couldn't do anything. not even a proper log out because they kept detecting me, while i was trapped, and when they gave up, detected me again even though i was fully submerged inside of a pillar. The inside of it appears to be more solid than outside, as i could not even fire arrows to try and kill them.

This is on ps4, so i could easily record it too, happened last year, it's sad that such a video should even be able to be recorded. I had to delete that character and start over. Because i'm expected to gold for very basic trouble shooting that victim blames.

Roechacca

Skcarkden wrote: »

On topic of getting stuck....

this is the first MMO i ever played that has such a primitive and arrogant design. For example:

Other MMO's:Let's not get ahead of ourselves, and design failsafes, if someone somehow gets stuck they can type /unstuck and it'll put them back onto the closest walkable path again so they don't have to travel back, at no cost.

For ESO: Oh, you're stuck? That'll be 50 gold, and we'll be forcing you to spawn at a shrine far away. You don't have 50 gold? You should have thought about that before we designed the game!


No joke, i have been stuck in a pillar because some npc in the desert used a knock-back attack on me and it forced me inside of it, i couldn't do anything. not even a proper log out because they kept detecting me, while i was trapped, and when they gave up, detected me again even though i was fully submerged inside of a pillar. The inside of it appears to be more solid than outside, as i could not even fire arrows to try and kill them.

This is on ps4, so i could easily record it too, happened last year, it's sad that such a video should even be able to be recorded. I had to delete that character and start over. Because i'm expected to gold for very basic trouble shooting that victim blames.

Ha I thought I was the only one that felt this way. Isn't that just the worst? I've never seen a game charge a character for getting stuck in bad terrain design till I loaded in here.

Ackwalan

If you aren't a subscriber, don't expect a lot of help. There are other MMO's that have the support tickets disabled for nonsubscribers. At least ZOS will answer a nonsubscribers ticket.

Skcarkden

Ackwalan wrote: »

If you aren't a subscriber, don't expect a lot of help. There are other MMO's that have the support tickets disabled for nonsubscribers. At least ZOS will answer a nonsubscribers ticket.

Are those games B2P too?

Wolfshead

Well honest OP i dont know if you have play other any other MMO before this one but i can say i have play few in my days and this thing you are talk is nothing all other MMO i have play have hade same problem and few still have after years that have been online.

So yeah ZoS having few problem but i can tell you about thing about Blizzard/WoW it have not dance on rose the have big big problem lie server got hack and being down for days to people get there char lost when the zone in to dungeon or out of them to boss that could not be kill for the health was bug and much more.

The point is that all MMO have problem and bug that is part of thing when add new thing to game and it seem to me that most people here is or have forget how other MMO have hade when the start up.

I can also tell you thing about blizzard support team sometime the dont even care to answer your ticket if you send one and sometime it can take days before you get answer back if get one if the dont just delete for you was offline after you have been wait for 3 days for them to answer.

So trust me grass is not green other side have been talk to many support team in other MMO and i can tell you that many are even worst then ZoS is.

Apocalypse1981

Emo as hell arent you?

Still, game does have a lot lf bugs and customer support is the worse ive ever seen.

Khenarthi

Skcarkden wrote: »

For ESO: Oh, you're stuck? That'll be 50 gold, and we'll be forcing you to spawn at a shrine far away. You don't have 50 gold? You should have thought about that before we designed the game.

If I remember right the cost was added to prevent the /stuck feature being abused for free travelling (example: when you finish a quest and want to go to the nearest main hub to vendor stuff.

Workaround? Travel to a guildie or friend in the same alliance, for free: never spend gold to teleport travel again...

Ch4mpTW

Apocalypse1981 wrote: »

Emo as hell arent you?

Still, game does have a lot lf bugs and customer support is the worse ive ever seen.

I apologize, bruh. It's just this Pokémon in pokémon Go got me feeling some type of way, and my constant issues on ESO weren't helping. And I just needed a means to just let it all out. A lot of the stuff I said had been bothering me for a long time, and I felt some relief just getting it all off my chest. Though I hope it was in an appropriate and civilized manner. I tried to make it as clean and non-offensive as possible.

RAGUNAnoOne

OP does have a point there is no other forum that I am on where I have to triple check every post I make to avoid getting a warning. Also I do read the PTS and the lack of attention towards most comments and feedback is obvious when the DLC comes live. I mean they might as well not have a public PTS since most things are set in stone like prosperous gear and AOE caps. Support is a hit and miss I have had mostly decent luck but one time where I had to tell them to read the ticket and my friend couldn't get real support until I PMed DaryaK. I am sure Zenimax isn't the worst but as a whole it definitely needs a lot of improvements... Well OP hope to see you on the PS4.

imredneckson

Knowing ZOS the only comments they are going to make (if at all) is either a "Sorry to hear that" or a "We have removed some comments" response. Just think about it for a minute if ZOS monitored their game as much/as well as they do the forums.

Cuyler

Eteson24

imredneckson wrote: »

Knowing ZOS the only comments they are going to make (if at all) is either a "Sorry to hear that" or a "We have removed some comments" response. Just think about it for a minute if ZOS monitored their game as much/as well as they do the forums.

You act like their job is to monitor the forums 24/7. For the most part, every "problem" I see posted here is something so stupid. I'm sorry you were raised to get everything you wanted immediately. Zos is doing a hell of a job and all the critisicm they get is very unwarranted.

starkerealm

Skcarkden wrote: »

On topic of getting stuck....

this is the first MMO i ever played that has such a primitive and arrogant design. For example:

Other MMO's:Let's not get ahead of ourselves, and design failsafes, if someone somehow gets stuck they can type /unstuck and it'll put them back onto the closest walkable path again so they don't have to travel back, at no cost.

For ESO: Oh, you're stuck? That'll be 50 gold, and we'll be forcing you to spawn at a shrine far away. You don't have 50 gold? You should have thought about that before we designed the game!


No joke, i have been stuck in a pillar because some npc in the desert used a knock-back attack on me and it forced me inside of it, i couldn't do anything. not even a proper log out because they kept detecting me, while i was trapped, and when they gave up, detected me again even though i was fully submerged inside of a pillar. The inside of it appears to be more solid than outside, as i could not even fire arrows to try and kill them.

This is on ps4, so i could easily record it too, happened last year, it's sad that such a video should even be able to be recorded. I had to delete that character and start over. Because i'm expected to gold for very basic trouble shooting that victim blames.

So this would be a bad time to point out that you can teleport to guild members and friends for free?

Skcarkden

Khenarthi wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

For ESO: Oh, you're stuck? That'll be 50 gold, and we'll be forcing you to spawn at a shrine far away. You don't have 50 gold? You should have thought about that before we designed the game.

If I remember right the cost was added to prevent the /stuck feature being abused for free travelling (example: when you finish a quest and want to go to the nearest main hub to vendor stuff.

Workaround? Travel to a guildie or friend in the same alliance, for free: never spend gold to teleport travel again...

Oh, i'm sure it was, but that right there is evidence of a lack of critical thinking from whoever made it.

A feature to help those who get stuck due to design issues, (Badly designed terrain, enemies that use an ability that manages to shove you inside of the terrain etc.) but then charges you for it to prevent abuse from people who don't want to spend less than a minute to run to a shrine? Just shows their thinking process, "Make sure nothing is ever useful, and charge victims of our mistakes"

It would have been wiser for them to focus on fixing the issue itself instead of making the feature and then thinking of ways to prevent its use. If it simply bumped the player back onto the map correctly, then not only is it *not* a further inconvenience to the player, but then they wouldn't need to charge to prevent free teleport abuse because it wouldn't be doing that all in the name of preventing people from saving a minutes walk to a shrine.

As for the workaround, i didn't know of that at the time, why don't people abuse that then if its free? what's the difference? I didn't have a guild or friends online at the time even if i was aware

Karivaa

I have noticed on console people are not playing as much as they used to due to all of these issues. A ton came back for the dlc but are now gone and playing other games. I am considering going back to WOW.

imredneckson

Eteson24 wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Knowing ZOS the only comments they are going to make (if at all) is either a "Sorry to hear that" or a "We have removed some comments" response. Just think about it for a minute if ZOS monitored their game as much/as well as they do the forums.

You act like their job is to monitor the forums 24/7. For the most part, every "problem" I see posted here is something so stupid. I'm sorry you were raised to get everything you wanted immediately. Zos is doing a hell of a job and all the critisicm they get is very unwarranted.

ZOS has done great in the past restoring a few deleted character of mine and I made sure to send out a thank you post about it but since the bug in their system that has been there since the middle of November of 2015 they cannot restore any deleted toons that were deleted from about November 15 to current date. I would say that's a problem wouldn't you?
I'm willing to help ZOS out and I have said that multiple times but ZOS also needs to help themselves as well by fixing the bugs, checking their codes a bit better, and sending a few gamemasters back into the game ( maybe have a few more ZOS employees in addition to the gamemasters playing the game on a constant basis to get the players point of view ).

Skcarkden

Karivaa wrote: »

I have noticed on console people are not playing as much as they used to due to all of these issues. A ton came back for the dlc but are now gone and playing other games. I am considering going back to WOW.

Probably due to the nature of console gaming mainly. Play a game, finish, move to the next game that's just released, return to a game if DLC is out, try it out move on again.

That's how i see it mostly, MMO's are still majorly a PC thing, that's trying to move through into consoles, though i see it mostly out of greed than a desire to have the game enjoyed on console too.

Vaoh

Skcarkden wrote: »

Karivaa wrote: »

I have noticed on console people are not playing as much as they used to due to all of these issues. A ton came back for the dlc but are now gone and playing other games. I am considering going back to WOW.

Probably due to the nature of console gaming mainly. Play a game, finish, move to the next game that's just released, return to a game if DLC is out, try it out move on again.

That's how i see it mostly, MMO's are still majorly a PC thing, that's trying to move through into consoles, though i see it mostly out of greed than a desire to have the game enjoyed on console too.

Wrong. I and many others (like PC) play on console, and are totally content with sticking to this game. An MMO. I've seen a ton of the "long-time" ESO players on console leave recently. It is quite an easy guess as to why. The game performs horribly

Smileybones

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Weekly QQ

susmitds

Smileybones wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Weekly QQ

Damn Straight.

C0wrex

This again?

Skcarkden

Doncellius wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

Karivaa wrote: »

I have noticed on console people are not playing as much as they used to due to all of these issues. A ton came back for the dlc but are now gone and playing other games. I am considering going back to WOW.

Probably due to the nature of console gaming mainly. Play a game, finish, move to the next game that's just released, return to a game if DLC is out, try it out move on again.

That's how i see it mostly, MMO's are still majorly a PC thing, that's trying to move through into consoles, though i see it mostly out of greed than a desire to have the game enjoyed on console too.

Wrong. I and many others (like PC) play on console, and are totally content with sticking to this game. An MMO. I've seen a ton of the "long-time" ESO players on console leave recently. It is quite an easy guess as to why. The game performs horribly

Are you saying literally every gamer is like you? Because when you say i'm wrong when i said "probably" and you make a definitive statement -which i can prove wrong by the fact i myself don't game like you do- makes it sound like you are saying that.

Are MMO's the only type of game you play? Single players, multi players? what games have you played in the last 6 months?

Rex-Umbra

Hear you man, I almost quit the game due to the console performance but last two days game has run fairly reasonable for me.

Vaoh

Skcarkden wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

Karivaa wrote: »

I have noticed on console people are not playing as much as they used to due to all of these issues. A ton came back for the dlc but are now gone and playing other games. I am considering going back to WOW.

Probably due to the nature of console gaming mainly. Play a game, finish, move to the next game that's just released, return to a game if DLC is out, try it out move on again.

That's how i see it mostly, MMO's are still majorly a PC thing, that's trying to move through into consoles, though i see it mostly out of greed than a desire to have the game enjoyed on console too.

Wrong. I and many others (like PC) play on console, and are totally content with sticking to this game. An MMO. I've seen a ton of the "long-time" ESO players on console leave recently. It is quite an easy guess as to why. The game performs horribly

Are you saying literally every gamer is like you? Because when you say i'm wrong when i said "probably" and you make a definitive statement -which i can prove wrong by the fact i myself don't game like you do- makes it sound like you are saying that.

Are MMO's the only type of game you play? Single players, multi players? what games have you played in the last 6 months?

Oh man lol. You sound outraged! What made you so angry?

All I said was that the console crowd is not nearly as much of the migrating-type as you wish to generalize them to be. Players that are leaving aren't doing so nearly as much for lack of content reasons right now as they are because the game has been performing terribly since DB dropped. That is a fact. It sucks, but it's also true.

Your statement was a typical PC player statement said about consoles players countless times. Generalized statements no different than the "PC is hardcore & Console is casual" garbage that breeds toxicity on any cross-platform game. Hence, I called you out and said you were wrong.

What you said was also as broad as what you said. I said "many", you said "probably", it's whatever. What's the big deal? No definitive statement was made, though you are keen on saying there was. Someone disagreed with you and you took it personally. Drop it.

And I've played a lot of single player games in the past six months. This means nothing to you. LOL. Always come back to ESO though after a playthrough or two because I love this game. Elder Scrolls is my Fav series!

GreenhaloX

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Hey everyone, I just wanted to talk with everyone here about a few things deeply bothering me. And shed some light on a few things that some feel must remain in the dark. I'll try to keep things as civil as possible, and as "Rated-G" as possible. I'm on my last strike here on the forums, and don't want to end-up getting banned for good. I've already been suspended a few times over petty things, that no other forum would snipe me over. I am a moderator on a few popular forums myself, but regardless — this is ZOS' forums. And by becoming a member, I agreed to their terms. And ZOS is entitled to do whatever they want, as it is their property. And I respect this. Nonetheless, let's get on to it.

First and foremost, I would like to talk about the state of getting help. No, not with class balance-wise. Nor PVP-wise. I mean the game itself. As in the support team. It's reached a point that people's characters are trapped in areas, and when they reach out to the people that are supposed to help them...? They get told by support that they (support) can no longer assist the person in need of help, and will be closing the ticket. That's sad... And it's heartbreaking that the people who are supposed to be there to help you, aren't exactly helping people. But nonetheless, things happen. And workloads can become overwhelming, so I suppose that can slide. But that segways into the next topic.

The topic of coding and programming itself. If things were truly coded and programmed properly, as well as thoroughly analyzed and tested to the fullest? With feedback being not only studied, but considered and tested? People would not be having their characters locked in areas, and having to have them moved. A lot of the bugs and errors would not be occurring in the first place. The dashboarding, blue-screening, application crashes, etc. would be far and few. But, this is ZOS' first major game. So, it is expected to have a rough first couple of years. Okay. That's fine. Onto to the next topic which connects right into testing and analyzing.

Which is just that — testing and analyzing. We get told all the time of how the developers and play this game, but do they really...? I keep wanting to believe that they really do, but how can you play something that constantly: Crashes, freezes, and glitches out? I mean, in order to play something... Shouldn't that something be able to work, and perform functions outside of the most basic of things? Not give you a load screen after taking a few steps after just exiting a load screen, or crash in the middle of a action being performed? But, ESO is a relatively large game. And the devs are devs after all. They're busy people who care about the state of the game, as well as customer satisfaction. So, it can be overlooked. Which ties straight to the next.

When are things going to stop being overlooked? A lot of things get brought to the attention on the PTS long before it ever touches the live release, and it gets overlooked entirely. Regardless of the pages and pages of information, as well as thread after thread created to shed light on things. They get either closed for "running its course", or some other reason neither here nor there. But, people should expect that deadlines being met should have more importance than the game running in decent condition. Let alone pristine condition. Which segways straight into this....

The topic of forum conduct. Not exactly the conduct of the users, but the staff. Did you all know that I as well as a few others are literally paranoid to post threads, and make comments on threads 90% of the time? Because we don't want our forum accounts terminated, and for us to be punished for speaking on something that is blatantly wrong and not right. Every single time I make a post, I grit my teeth throughout the thread's livelihood in hopes that I don't get terminated for breaking some obscure rule I had no clue about. Or for an admin or moderator misinterpreting my words. Honestly. Even in typing this up, I'm low-key scared af. And while my gut is telling me that this thread was long overdue, in the back of my mind I feel as though this will be my last post here. And I've met some truly fantastic people, and made some incredible allies and friends. Some of the most intellectual and kindest people I've ever come across, I've met here on the forums. And at any moment I am worried that I may get on the bad side of a staff member, and it'll all be ripped away from me. Bad as it is the game won't let me play it a lot of the time from its constant bugs, crashes, and freezes... Now I worry that if I'm not always observing and not actually contributing, I'll have the community on official forums taken from me. How much has to be taken away from me...? Why did things have to reach this point...? Why is the game in this state, as well as the forums, and the support? Well... That leads into the last topic...

People genuinely not caring, but putting on a front that they do. And people who sincerely care about the: Community, game, etc. feeling outcasted and shunned...

My greatest ESO fear is, other people feeling how I feel about all things involving this game and connected to it... And day by day others begin to feel this way, and endure it. And those who've been felt this way remain in silence about it, but because they are addicted to playing — they endure it. And just suck it up.

And to the admins and mods who may jam me up over this thread, please know this was just meant to be some "special coffee talk". Please don't terminate me for finally saying what I've been afraid to say for a while now. I don't want to be punished for finally shedding light on a few things that keep having darkness and veils thrown over them. I don't want to lose the buddies I made here on the forums, so please don't take this thread to extreme measures. Please don't take it there. And I know you may not like this thread, but when can we as a community discuss and face things that we may not want to discuss and face? When can the truth of things be finally brought up, and explained in detail with the community as a whole? And this is no conspiracy thread, no shaming thread, none of that. Just a thread to cast some light....

And to the the regular users, I love you guys. While I may have had a bad encounter or 2 with a few users, you all are awesome. Seriously. I've met some of the most epic people right here on these forums. And for giving me these sweet memories and food for thought, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. And if this by a chance is the last post and or thread I ever make due to being terminated, I just wanted you all know how much you all meant to me. Each and every one of you guys. The folks who gave constructive responses, and those who said "L2P" alike. Y'all are amazing and the real MVP. And this isn't a goodbye thread. But, if I do get terminated here on the forums? I suppose this is a goodbye thread, and I look forward to running into you in the game on Mac or PS4. I primarily play on PS4, and my handle is: "ChampionAbsolute" without the quotes if you want to reach me.

Well... That's all. Gonna hope the game finally lets me in, without giving me the standard error message. And hopefully go farm some dungeons or trials with some buddies. Take care guys.

This is well-said. It's some fair general concerns, and you're voicing in a non-threatening or toxic manner, which any voicing of a complaint or frustration should be done. I haven't play another other MMO or MMORPG game yet. ESO has actually been my first experience. Heck, I'm still trying to get use to this MMO or MMORPG wordage. So, for the time being, I will have to rely on the voices of you all who have played other MMO-style games and can compare the differences with ESO. Although, I have experienced the same issues that you and all the others have been voicing, and yes, I have voiced my temporary frustration as well. Fortunately, the issues have been seemingly fixed for me. I do agree also that, yes, this does seem to be Zenimax's first major MMORPG, and it may be some time for them to get it right.. as you mentioned to be comparable to other MMO games you have played that seem not to have as many technical or support concerns. Despite the issues, I can say I have been enjoying the ESO experience, thus far.

Lastly, sorry to hear that it has come down to the point where you are almost paranoid or so to post something. It should never be like that. No one should ever be made to feel they cannot say something or voice something. Unfortunately and sadly, (not to go off on a tangent), but it's happening in some part of the world. However, it should not be in a forum such as this one that is owned and run by a US-based entity where in this country we value greatly on voicing your mind and our first amendment's rights. However, any toxic or threatening nature should never be tolerated or have a place within this forum. So, good for you for keeping your issues and concerns seemingly civil.

josefcifkaeb17_ESO

The current state of the game is a nightmare reminding me of my post launch experience with ESO, actually a bit worse in some aspects since I started (cca week or two ago) getting loading screens while running through populated areas on PC, but making huge walls of text that nobody reads whole anyway won't help. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

mike_de

starkerealm wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

On topic of getting stuck....

this is the first MMO i ever played that has such a primitive and arrogant design. For example:

Other MMO's:Let's not get ahead of ourselves, and design failsafes, if someone somehow gets stuck they can type /unstuck and it'll put them back onto the closest walkable path again so they don't have to travel back, at no cost.

For ESO: Oh, you're stuck? That'll be 50 gold, and we'll be forcing you to spawn at a shrine far away. You don't have 50 gold? You should have thought about that before we designed the game!


No joke, i have been stuck in a pillar because some npc in the desert used a knock-back attack on me and it forced me inside of it, i couldn't do anything. not even a proper log out because they kept detecting me, while i was trapped, and when they gave up, detected me again even though i was fully submerged inside of a pillar. The inside of it appears to be more solid than outside, as i could not even fire arrows to try and kill them.

This is on ps4, so i could easily record it too, happened last year, it's sad that such a video should even be able to be recorded. I had to delete that character and start over. Because i'm expected to gold for very basic trouble shooting that victim blames.

So this would be a bad time to point out that you can teleport to guild members and friends for free?

Solo players aren't aware of this. But thank you for the advice. Need to find a guild or friends, just in case ...

Tryxus

Read it all, and all I gotta say is...

... I love you too, man