That moment when ...

Molag_Crow · July 2016

You get hit for a 9.8k Focus Aim with 2.1k crit resist.

Who finds criti resist (Impen traits) useful? loooool

Judas Helviaryn · July 2016

Yeah, I'm slowly finding the balance between crit and base damage for PVP a lot more towards the crit side..

Crit resistance doesn't do much.

Cazzy · July 2016

I used to use it. Then I stopped.

*waits to receive Insightful points*

Abeille · July 2016

Cazzy wrote: »

I used to use it. Then I stopped.

*waits to receive Insightful points*

There you go.

Lieblingsjunge · July 2016

If someone is built full weapon damaged, fully buffed and from stealth, a focus aim can hit for a lot

I'm rnning 30k phys res and 2k crit res and it's not uncommon to see such hard-hitting snipes.

The upside: Poke it two times with a light attack and it dies.

DPG76 · July 2016

there is also so much sets and cp points for crit chance and dmg , maybe this is properly countered ?

Molag_Crow · July 2016

I know what ya'll mean but it's crazy how a full set of Impen (excluding Transmutation set) barely makes a difference lol

Cazzy · July 2016

Abeille wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

I used to use it. Then I stopped.

*waits to receive Insightful points*

There you go.

ArchMikem · July 2016

There are ways.

Just the other night in the IC Arena District this guy cornered himself and then just weathered a continuous beat down from a group of us, barely even scratching his health pool. This went on for a good several minutes. Many just stood there and watched.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · July 2016

ADD 1 part Nightblade in stealth, 1 part Rally, 1 part Relentless Focus, 1 part Magelight to toggle on and off (to get the Might of the Guild passive), and 1 part five piece Marksman set with a Sharpened Legendary bow and 1 part Focused AIM and you get...

20% (Rally, Major Brutality)
8% (Relentless Focus, Minor Berserk)
20% (Might of the Guild Passive, Empower)
5% (Marksman 5 pc set, 5% more damage with a Bow)

+53% damage
-Battle Spirit -50% dmg

= +3% damage and Stealth Modifier.

Getting Ganked by a Archer using Snipe...

Priceless...

PS- I didn't even add if the person is using a 5 pc Clever Alchemist set and drinks a weapon power potion to activate it..

BruhItsOver9000 · July 2016

People still snipe, there's better ways of ganking now.

Molag_Crow · July 2016

To be fair though my dark flares usually hit players for 9-15k depending on their resistance, but still... crit resist is like, idk.. Is it just me or are traits pretty bad in general? think about it... it's a slight increase

Well-fitted is probably more useful than any other trait depending on your mundus stone in Cyrodiil I guess lol

In fact, if I had enough materials, I'd probably craft a full light set of Kag's with Sturdy and Well-fitted traits instead of my two current sets which have divines and the other set has full impen.

Toc de Malsvi · July 2016

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

People still snipe, there's better ways of ganking now.

This...Snipe is one of the worst ways imho.

Toc de Malsvi · July 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

To be fair though my dark flares usually hit players for 9-15k depending on their resistance, but still... crit resist is like, idk.. Is it just me or are traits pretty bad in general? think about it... it's a slight increase

Well-fitted is probably more useful than any other trait depending on your mundus stone in Cyrodiil I guess lol

In fact, if I had enough materials, I'd probably craft a full light set of Kag's with Sturdy and Well-fitted traits instead of my two current sets which have divines and the other set has full impen.

I like well fitted, I have about the same amount of survivability with well fitted that I do without it.

Vangy · July 2016

Well.... you need to ask yourself this question;

You got hit by a 10k snipe with 2.1k impen yes, but without it you would roughly take a 13k snipe. Which one u prefer? You think 7 divines is super badass compared to the 2.1k impen? 7 divines at best would give u 10% more DPS lol. Impen wins by a huge margin please..... About 30% crit damage reduction with 2.1k impen. I run about 2.6k on mine. Add to the fact is most people will AC combo a few hits on u from stealth. U save 3k from snipe, 1 or 2 k from poison injection etc. All this damage saved is the difference between dying and living.

That 35-45% damage reduction from crits is a huge life saver from gankers. Like you just need to NOT die to their burst combo and you can rolly polly around with vigor or shields and heal back up. Those lame ganker builds cannot sustain and rely exclusively on killing u with AC combo -oneshots. The moment u survive, you win.

Sunburnt_Penguin · July 2016

Mate, I got hit with a 12k one the other night at Allesia Mine. I had maxed crit resistance (3.2k) and 15k physical resistance

Gargath · July 2016

Cazzy wrote: »

I used to use it. Then I stopped.

*waits to receive Insightful points*

Here, first to give you agree

Egonieser · July 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

To be fair though my dark flares usually hit players for 9-15k depending on their resistance, but still... crit resist is like, idk.. Is it just me or are traits pretty bad in general? think about it... it's a slight increase

Well-fitted is probably more useful than any other trait depending on your mundus stone in Cyrodiil I guess lol

In fact, if I had enough materials, I'd probably craft a full light set of Kag's with Sturdy and Well-fitted traits instead of my two current sets which have divines and the other set has full impen.

I run a Sharpened MaceBlade with full golden Well-Fitted and 80CP in tumbling and lots in Physical Penetration.

10k+ Armour Penetration, 4k WD, 35k Stamina, 2.3k stamregen - it melts tanks like no tomorrow. If i can get a jump on a tank before he managed to set permablock up, he is toast, even if he has all impen, 30k+ health and the works, it just doesn't help him xD
On top of it, i can rolldodge from Alessia to South Morrowind Base and back xD (Well, not really, but I can rolldodge - a LOT)

I'd say Sturdy is much more useful for a tank because of the burst stam builds can achieve these days. You either block or you die.

Tryxus · July 2016

My Ambushes can hit for 15k on someone who isn't wearing Imp

Now to see how hard they'd hit on someone with full Imp gear

Molag_Crow · July 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Well.... you need to ask yourself this question;

You got hit by a 10k snipe with 2.1k impen yes, but without it you would roughly take a 13k snipe. Which one u prefer? You think 7 divines is super badass compared to the 2.1k impen? 7 divines at best would give u 10% more DPS lol. Impen wins by a huge margin please..... About 30% crit damage reduction with 2.1k impen. I run about 2.6k on mine. Add to the fact is most people will AC combo a few hits on u from stealth. U save 3k from snipe, 1 or 2 k from poison injection etc. All this damage saved is the difference between dying and living.

That 35-45% damage reduction from crits is a huge life saver from gankers. Like you just need to NOT die to their burst combo and you can rolly polly around with vigor or shields and heal back up. Those lame ganker builds cannot sustain and rely exclusively on killing u with AC combo -oneshots. The moment u survive, you win.

Ahh fair enough, I see. I didn't know it was a percentage!? news to me >.<

Eshelmen · July 2016

2.1k impen is only like 34% crit mitigation. Too low for pvp imho.
Get that up to cap at around 3,200.

GreenhaloX · July 2016

Oh man... there are some scary dudes on here. Lol!

Molag_Crow · July 2016

Eshelmen wrote: »

2.1k impen is only like 34% crit mitigation. Too low for pvp imho.
Get that up to cap at around 3,200.

So basically wear Transmutation set or dump mostly all of my CP into crit resist and have none left for physical/elemental resist? lol I'm not gonna sacrifice my damage and resist for slightly less crit damage taken, unless you know of any other magical ways ^^

Molag_Crow · July 2016

Personally think that the Battle Spirit buff should give every play a base of 1000 crit resist, just sayin.

Danksta · July 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Personally think that the Battle Spirit buff should give every play a base of 1000 crit resist, just sayin.

That probably wouldn't be a bad idea. I've insta-killed plenty of max CP players (with no impen I'm assuming) with Lethal Arrow/Ambush and maybe a Killer's blade if that doesn't quite get them.

Molag_Crow · July 2016

Danksta wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Personally think that the Battle Spirit buff should give every play a base of 1000 crit resist, just sayin.

That probably wouldn't be a bad idea. I've insta-killed plenty of max CP players (with no impen I'm assuming) with Lethal Arrow/Ambush and maybe a Killer's blade if that doesn't quite get them.

Yeah honestly as a Templar, I feel dirty hitting low Champion Rank players so I usually leave them alone unless they attack me, because 1-2 Dark Flares and Radiant Destruct and they're usually dead o.O like, especially new players who don't dodge roll/Block/Heal much, they're helpless, I feel bad for them lol

Radiant Dest is really powerful in general anyway, though I use the "weaker" morph (which heals a little, mainly for vMSA) since Oppression is overkill when it crits.

Toc de Malsvi · July 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Well.... you need to ask yourself this question;

You got hit by a 10k snipe with 2.1k impen yes, but without it you would roughly take a 13k snipe. Which one u prefer? You think 7 divines is super badass compared to the 2.1k impen? 7 divines at best would give u 10% more DPS lol. Impen wins by a huge margin please..... About 30% crit damage reduction with 2.1k impen. I run about 2.6k on mine. Add to the fact is most people will AC combo a few hits on u from stealth. U save 3k from snipe, 1 or 2 k from poison injection etc. All this damage saved is the difference between dying and living.

That 35-45% damage reduction from crits is a huge life saver from gankers. Like you just need to NOT die to their burst combo and you can rolly polly around with vigor or shields and heal back up. Those lame ganker builds cannot sustain and rely exclusively on killing u with AC combo -oneshots. The moment u survive, you win.

This is why I don't see as much gain out of it, I'm rarely hanging around outside of stealth and if I am I'm usually dodge rolling fairly often. If I die its usually because I was being hit by 3+ players and at that point most of the time the difference between a 10k hit and a 13k hit is negligible.

There have been a few times where damage incoming was at just the right scale that I thought I would die and didn't most likely because of impenetrable. However most of the time I don't see it being massively better than well fitted, or even reinforced on a heavy build. I can see where it could save you from being ganked, or blown up to easily.

Eshelmen · July 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

2.1k impen is only like 34% crit mitigation. Too low for pvp imho.
Get that up to cap at around 3,200.

So basically wear Transmutation set or dump mostly all of my CP into crit resist and have none left for physical/elemental resist? lol I'm not gonna sacrifice my damage and resist for slightly less crit damage taken, unless you know of any other magical ways ^^

What's wrong with Transmutation? Awesome recovery and a great boost to crit resist.

Slighly less?
Think about it.

10k crit - 0% mitigation
turns in to
6,600 crit with 34% mitigation
turns in to
5k crit with 50% mitigation.

You're getting hit for 1,600 more damage than what you could have been with capped crit resist. This adds up quickly.

Laugh all you want, I'm not the one with issues surviving.

5 Heavy impen with CP in crit resist(if you're not using transmutation) and the rest with whatever you want.
Survivability>high damage any day in PVP.

The best offense is having good defense.

I've yet to meet anyone who can take me down in the matter of seconds. In fact with capped resistance and capped crit resistance, 2k+ recovery, I haven't had any real gear issues when clearing house against several opponents.

Use your high dps builds on me all you want. I'll laugh because it literally tickles.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2016

Last week I put up a post about why impenetrable was overrated and people got their pitchforks out.

Why anyone would use a trait that takes away 50% of something that hits 50% harder about 50% of the time is beyond me. Say someone averages 10k per strike. They crit to 15k and your max crit resist just made it to 12.5k. Congrats. But wait there is more! Most people crit about half the time. So your trait, in this scenario rotates between 2.5k and pointless. Just a waste.

Put something on to either increase your armor 100% of the time, or something to do more damage.

Vangy · July 2016

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Well.... you need to ask yourself this question;

You got hit by a 10k snipe with 2.1k impen yes, but without it you would roughly take a 13k snipe. Which one u prefer? You think 7 divines is super badass compared to the 2.1k impen? 7 divines at best would give u 10% more DPS lol. Impen wins by a huge margin please..... About 30% crit damage reduction with 2.1k impen. I run about 2.6k on mine. Add to the fact is most people will AC combo a few hits on u from stealth. U save 3k from snipe, 1 or 2 k from poison injection etc. All this damage saved is the difference between dying and living.

That 35-45% damage reduction from crits is a huge life saver from gankers. Like you just need to NOT die to their burst combo and you can rolly polly around with vigor or shields and heal back up. Those lame ganker builds cannot sustain and rely exclusively on killing u with AC combo -oneshots. The moment u survive, you win.

This is why I don't see as much gain out of it, I'm rarely hanging around outside of stealth and if I am I'm usually dodge rolling fairly often. If I die its usually because I was being hit by 3+ players and at that point most of the time the difference between a 10k hit and a 13k hit is negligible.

There have been a few times where damage incoming was at just the right scale that I thought I would die and didn't most likely because of impenetrable. However most of the time I don't see it being massively better than well fitted, or even reinforced on a heavy build. I can see where it could save you from being ganked, or blown up to easily.

The problem is, running full infused or full divines does EVEN less. All divines = maybe 5% more DPS. All infused = maybe 2k more max stat. Still nowhere near as good as 35-45% crit damage reduction...... U give up so little for quite a bit of damage reduction. Unless ur running some kind of nuke'm tastic bomb build, you'd want impen on gear.

Molag_Crow · July 2016

Eshelmen wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

2.1k impen is only like 34% crit mitigation. Too low for pvp imho.
Get that up to cap at around 3,200.

So basically wear Transmutation set or dump mostly all of my CP into crit resist and have none left for physical/elemental resist? lol I'm not gonna sacrifice my damage and resist for slightly less crit damage taken, unless you know of any other magical ways ^^

What's wrong with Transmutation? Awesome recovery and a great boost to crit resist.

Slighly less?
Think about it.

10k crit - 0% mitigation
turns in to
6,600 crit with 34% mitigation
turns in to
5k crit with 50% mitigation.

You're getting hit for 1,600 more damage than what you could have been with capped crit resist. This adds up quickly.

Laugh all you want, I'm not the one with issues surviving.

5 Heavy impen with CP in crit resist(if you're not using transmutation) and the rest with whatever you want.
Survivability>high damage any day in PVP.

The best offense is having good defense.

I've yet to meet anyone who can take me down in the matter of seconds. In fact with capped resistance and capped crit resistance, 2k+ recovery, I haven't had any real gear issues when clearing house against several opponents.

Use your high dps builds on me all you want. I'll laugh because it literally tickles.

Well I don't disagree with you there... but it's just a shame that you have to resort to using one specific set, or full heavy and loads of CP into crit resist ^^