The State of Malubeth

Sandman929 · July 2016

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_AnyoneElse I'm currently running this set on a Mag NB Tank in PvP, no major mending and I don't see any ridiculous healing ticks so far but it's a very nice tanking set. So I was wondering if this is OFFICIALLY considered "fixed"?

I see a lot of people complaining about it, and it sat in my bank for quite awhile but now that I've seen the set officially called out for getting a patch fix, I'd like to know if it's working as intended.

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

It over performs on Templars and classes with high healing abilities .

Xvorg · July 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

It over performs on Templars and classes with high healing abilities .

It's the only way to play an argonian

Cathexis · July 2016

Its the only way to play a stam based sorc tank.

Sandman929 · July 2016

It works very well for a Sap Tank as well, since everything I do is a self heal. I was just hoping to see something official because it's hard to distinguish if something is legitimately broken or if it's just whining from people who don't like it.

Mojomonkeyman · July 2016

Go solo a boss in ic districts with malu and rewatch your heal logs after. You will notice strange things. This set works so "well" because it is broken. Using it now after knowledge is spread is not different than exploiting multiple mundus stones or such, imo.

Gilliamtherogue · July 2016

The issue isn't Malubeth by itself. Just putting it on you don't see anything that makes you think, "Hey this is pretty toxic!". The issue is the potential scaling of the set, since the 30% bonus healing stacks with every single other healing buff in the game where it becomes absolutely absurd.

Sandman929 · July 2016

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Go solo a boss in ic districts with malu and rewatch your heal logs after. You will notice strange things. This set works so "well" because it is broken. Using it now after knowledge is spread is not different than exploiting multiple mundus stones or such, imo.

Agreed, which is why I'm trying to figure out the extent of the break. I've seen several accounts ranging from "it's broken with Templars", "it's broken when used with Major Mending", and "it's not broken at all".

ZOS stated an issue was "fixed", is the set then considered fixed?

Mojomonkeyman · July 2016

Well, I bouhgt it on sunday to test, soloed my first boss that day with newly acquired Malu and out of the first 5 malu procs 2 happened to tick with 7k (each malu tick) additionally to boosted vigor...

That`s broken, I don`t care for anything more than my own testing.

olsborg · July 2016

It proccs far too often, from dots and direct hits. It heals way too much (broken) and needs to be looked at. Currently half of the players in cyrodiil is using it, if not more, wich clearly sais something is off about it aswell

Sandman929 · July 2016

olsborg wrote: »

It proccs far too often, from dots and direct hits. It heals way too much (broken) and needs to be looked at. Currently half of the players in cyrodiil is using it, if not more, wich clearly sais something is off about it aswell

One could start a rumor about Deaths Wind being the new OP set and half of Cyrodiil would head to the crafting station. I care about my own testing as well, and I've seen nothing to indicate a problem as a magicka NB. I was hoping that some official word had been printed somewhere about the performance or over-performance of the set. Barring that I've got to place trust in the word of forum members who are far too prone to calling for various nerfs.

Pallio · July 2016

Working as intended.

Luckily I am an Argonian Templar with this and Jesus Beam, so swimming through the tears on this forum is much easier.

Eclipse0990 · July 2016

I'm not sure if it's still broken. I use it on my templar after the "fixed" statement from zos and not before. So I don't have any means to compare from before. Though sometimes it does proc a lot of time. But it's mostly when I'm up against loads of enemies. (6% anyone?)

Sandman929 · July 2016

With the size of the thumb currently tipping the scales toward stam builds and high damage, I'm inclined to keep using it until it's officially a set that is acknowledged as being broken and being "looked into".
It's hard to turn away a chance at extra healing received as a sap tank when statements about it being broken come from potential opponents only.

Sandman929 · July 2016

If ZOS says it's not working right, back in the bank it goes.

leepalmer95 · July 2016

Sandman929 wrote: »

If ZOS says it's not working right, back in the bank it goes.

Zos won't say everything, when most players acknowledge it's broken, this it's brokenly OP.

JubJub · July 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

If ZOS says it's not working right, back in the bank it goes.

Zos won't say everything, when most players acknowledge it's broken, this it's brokenly OP.

Yep anything I lose to I'll call broken.

maxjapank · July 2016

Eclipse0990 wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's still broken. I use it on my templar after the "fixed" statement from zos and not before. So I don't have any means to compare from before. Though sometimes it does proc a lot of time. But it's mostly when I'm up against loads of enemies. (6% anyone?)

Same for me. People have hopped on the bandwagon about it being broken. But most haven't even experienced it being broken for themselves. But anyways, once they get this nerfed, they will move on to Bloodspawn or Engine Guardian next. The nerfwagon is neverending.

GreenSoup2HoT · July 2016

Working as intended....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRUKKpYepdc

Just wanna state that this is a good showcase of SAP tanking on a magicka nightblade. In the video though you will see some pretty ridiculous healing ticks coming from Malubeth (mostly 5.5-7.5k none crit's).

Wycks · July 2016

Expect a fix in 6 months when a whole new slew of bugs are introduced during the patch.

Sandman929 · July 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Working as intended....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRUKKpYepdc

Just wanna state that this is a good showcase of SAP tanking on a magicka nightblade. In the video though you will see some pretty ridiculous healing ticks coming from Malubeth (mostly 5.5-7.5k none crit's).

That is pretty compelling, and on console as well. I don't know that this is after the official "fix", but I will start looking at replacements for the set now.
One would think there are enough Malubeth posts for some official comment about the set, but apparently addressing concerns is too much for ZOS to handle at the moment.

Niastissa · July 2016

My guild beat him several weeks ago. He wasn't too difficult and gives a nice golden purple color for your dyes.

Sandman929 · July 2016

With Vitality pots up, which I always have, wouldn't 6-7k procs be expected? Any other healing received buffs would push the number even higher. People can say it's proccing too often but 6% chance isn't a guarantee that exactly 6 of 100 hits will proc the beam, every hit has a 6% chance. There are no "ticks" from the set, just the initial heal from the proc and the increased healing received, and as a sap tank I receive quite a bit of healing.

Just say something ZOS!

Sandman929 · July 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

Eclipse0990 wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's still broken. I use it on my templar after the "fixed" statement from zos and not before. So I don't have any means to compare from before. Though sometimes it does proc a lot of time. But it's mostly when I'm up against loads of enemies. (6% anyone?)

Same for me. People have hopped on the bandwagon about it being broken. But most haven't even experienced it being broken for themselves. But anyways, once they get this nerfed, they will move on to Bloodspawn or Engine Guardian next. The nerfwagon is neverending.

That's sort of what this outcry feels like to me too. People expect a 6% chance to be a rare thing and large heals when the set procs are determined by many factors. Was major vitality up on the player? How much is their healing received buffed by armor choices? Racial choice? Blessed CP? Quick Recovery? Heavy armor? Did it proc twice with the second proc getting buffed by the first?

Large proc heals aren't necessarily a sign of a broken set.

raasdal · July 2016

Sandman929 wrote: »

With Vitality pots up, which I always have, wouldn't 6-7k procs be expected? Any other healing received buffs would push the number even higher. People can say it's proccing too often but 6% chance isn't a guarantee that exactly 6 of 100 hits will proc the beam, every hit has a 6% chance. There are no "ticks" from the set, just the initial heal from the proc and the increased healing received, and as a sap tank I receive quite a bit of healing.

Just say something ZOS!

Malubeth does not deliver the "initial heal" in one portion immediately. It delivers it as ticks every second, half second or whatever, over the 5 sec. duration of the beam (or thereabouts). If you run any kind of addon this will be quite obvious.

I too have a Stam DK using Vitality Pots. I have about 1-2k ticks when they crit.

When people are reporting 6-7k ticks, this means that the entire heal from the set, will be something like 30-40k healing, as it ticks at least 4-5 times.

In my time using the set, i have never seen it tick for anything out of the ordinary. Except for when i am at full health, at which point you cannot trust any numbers you see. I have had a Burning Embers heal me for 20K while at full health. Right... I am suspecting alot of these reported ticks are display errors, and are not actual trueheals.

Sandman929 · July 2016

raasdal wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

With Vitality pots up, which I always have, wouldn't 6-7k procs be expected? Any other healing received buffs would push the number even higher. People can say it's proccing too often but 6% chance isn't a guarantee that exactly 6 of 100 hits will proc the beam, every hit has a 6% chance. There are no "ticks" from the set, just the initial heal from the proc and the increased healing received, and as a sap tank I receive quite a bit of healing.

Just say something ZOS!

Malubeth does not deliver the "initial heal" in one portion immediately. It delivers it as ticks every second, half second or whatever, over the 5 sec. duration of the beam (or thereabouts). If you run any kind of addon this will be quite obvious.

I too have a Stam DK using Vitality Pots. I have about 1-2k ticks when they crit.

When people are reporting 6-7k ticks, this means that the entire heal from the set, will be something like 30-40k healing, as it ticks at least 4-5 times.

In my time using the set, i have never seen it tick for anything out of the ordinary. Except for when i am at full health, at which point you cannot trust any numbers you see. I have had a Burning Embers heal me for 20K while at full health. Right... I am suspecting alot of these reported ticks are display errors, and are not actual trueheals.

The description of the set says nothing about heals over time.

Sandman929 · July 2016

In practice, I see a large heal when the beam procs...and that's it if I'm not receiving other healing from myself or others.

Sandman929 · July 2016

Admittedly, on a console I don't have access to that kind of resolution into the numbers.

FENGRUSH · July 2016

Cathexis wrote: »

Its the only way to play a stam based sorc tank.

Stam sorc tank gets along quite well without malubeth actually!

raasdal · July 2016

Sandman929 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

With Vitality pots up, which I always have, wouldn't 6-7k procs be expected? Any other healing received buffs would push the number even higher. People can say it's proccing too often but 6% chance isn't a guarantee that exactly 6 of 100 hits will proc the beam, every hit has a 6% chance. There are no "ticks" from the set, just the initial heal from the proc and the increased healing received, and as a sap tank I receive quite a bit of healing.

Just say something ZOS!

Malubeth does not deliver the "initial heal" in one portion immediately. It delivers it as ticks every second, half second or whatever, over the 5 sec. duration of the beam (or thereabouts). If you run any kind of addon this will be quite obvious.

I too have a Stam DK using Vitality Pots. I have about 1-2k ticks when they crit.

When people are reporting 6-7k ticks, this means that the entire heal from the set, will be something like 30-40k healing, as it ticks at least 4-5 times.

In my time using the set, i have never seen it tick for anything out of the ordinary. Except for when i am at full health, at which point you cannot trust any numbers you see. I have had a Burning Embers heal me for 20K while at full health. Right... I am suspecting alot of these reported ticks are display errors, and are not actual trueheals.

The description of the set says nothing about heals over time.

Never ever ever ever never trust the tooltip description. Ever. Never.

Sandman929 · July 2016

raasdal wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

With Vitality pots up, which I always have, wouldn't 6-7k procs be expected? Any other healing received buffs would push the number even higher. People can say it's proccing too often but 6% chance isn't a guarantee that exactly 6 of 100 hits will proc the beam, every hit has a 6% chance. There are no "ticks" from the set, just the initial heal from the proc and the increased healing received, and as a sap tank I receive quite a bit of healing.

Just say something ZOS!

Malubeth does not deliver the "initial heal" in one portion immediately. It delivers it as ticks every second, half second or whatever, over the 5 sec. duration of the beam (or thereabouts). If you run any kind of addon this will be quite obvious.

I too have a Stam DK using Vitality Pots. I have about 1-2k ticks when they crit.

When people are reporting 6-7k ticks, this means that the entire heal from the set, will be something like 30-40k healing, as it ticks at least 4-5 times.

In my time using the set, i have never seen it tick for anything out of the ordinary. Except for when i am at full health, at which point you cannot trust any numbers you see. I have had a Burning Embers heal me for 20K while at full health. Right... I am suspecting alot of these reported ticks are display errors, and are not actual trueheals.

The description of the set says nothing about heals over time.

Never ever ever ever never trust the tooltip description. Ever. Never.

How about the numbers on my screen?