BOP shenanigans

Vangy

Hey friends,

ESO has tons of nice new sets that im sure everyone would love to try. But here's the problem,

1. 100s of layers of RNG.
2. Followed by BOP.

Its a monstrosity..... Take wrothgar sets for example. I remember when orsinium first came out, I was so excited to try out the new sets. So I had 6 toons. At max level in gold gear. So I did 6*6 dailies a day for about a month. I got a full set of trinimacs, some briar crap pieces and the pariah set no one wants. Truly a pariah set... Aptly named. Lol. But that's not the point. With the sheer amount of dailies I did, I was atleast able to get trinimacs set. After that month, I got so bored I just gave up on that crap.

Now imagine a new player with just 1 or 2 toons. God forbid they actually find some useful v16 set piece, they still have to battle an RNG so insanely thick that they are sure to get a crappy trait..... I know tons of people who dont even bother with BOP sets cos getting one complete set is next to impossible. And why do it when crafted sets are almost as good. Sure you might to 10% less DPS but you save about 1000000000% more time and work......

Why do the DEVs keep making cool new sets that 80% of the player base is never even going to bother farming or trying? Maybe lots of people are and I'm wrong, but everytime I see a BOP set after wrothgar and orsinium, I just go screw that imma pass. The last 2 BOP sets that I farmed are spell power cure and trinimacs of which I both have perfect sets of. The amount of work it required though, was insane. And repeating pieces that I find CANT EVEN BE SOLD to reward me for my time. I just decon them.

Now with the BOP trading coming soon, this problem will be slightly elevated for group-content farmed items. But I doubt it will fix the BOP items found in the world like wrothgar sets... So we are going to have a huge portion of the player base who wont even get to try it before level-cap increases. So all that time DEVS spent making these new sets is going to get pissed down the loo.

The only things that should be BOP are maelstrom weapons and master weapons. Stop with the BOP sets.... They arent that OP. Just let people who can farm it make money off them and those who dont have the time (or the experience) to farm them buy it. This will boost the economy and let everyone have fun.

#stoptheBOPmadness

Makkir

I agree. It would def spice up the economy a bit allowing them to be BoE

Phinix1

RNG traits on RNG drops of RNG armor types... BoP.

Worst aspect of the game IMO.

Hopefully they give crafters the ability to re-trait and re-style gear. That would fix everything.

phreatophile

To the OP, I agree 100%. I see a BOP set and say "not worth it".

I think the problem isn't even primarily RNG, it's the sheer number of pieces that are completely useless.

Highly desirable end game gear shouldn't drop with junk traits, and in the case of Briarheart, Trinimac, and Pariah it shouldn't drop in CP150 for over-cap players or with decon trash traits.

If RNG was pulling from a smaller pool including only a few usable traits and at the correct level, it wouldn't be so tedious and rage inducing. That small change would remove well over 200 undesirable pieces of junk from the loot table in Wrothgar alone. If every time you saw a set piece, it wasn't training or prosperous 90% of the time RNG and BOP wouldn't be that bad.

AmberLaTerra

I think even a change as minor as removing one layer of RNG would go a great way to re-leaving the frustration on it. Just remove the RNG on which piece of a set you get by adding in an option to choose what piece comes if you get the RNG to get a set piece.

To use the Orsinium example, lets say you only need Briarheart boots, you could select boots on every set item piece you got as a drop, but still be at the mercy of trait RNG, it may still take a lot of tries to get the trait you want, but at least you will not end up getting a 2nd of a piece you already have in the trait you want.

UltimaJoe777

Many of the best sets available are BoP, and for good reason. These items are generally more potent than most others, even the ones BoE as opposed to crafted. Of course there are good BoE and craftable sets too but the thing is the best stuff needs to be BoP to make people work for them, otherwise anyone can buy the best items in the game with gold they probably got from a rich friend, assuming the item wasn't sold for only 100k.

Sure many see it as a pain in the ass but remove BoP and everyone will start running around with the same ***. Too much in this game is so easy to get, let's not make it all that way. Besides, BoP item trading within your group when you get it is coming so you at least have that to look forward to.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Quite true.
I gave up grinding for gear after Spell Power Cure.
Now I just run the content that I enjoy running and if by doing so I happen to collect a suitable full set, fine, else I go for crafted or BoE gear.
Let's see how the "group trading BoP" will change things.
I hope it will be for the best (more availability of items) and not the worst (conflicts in groups).

nine9six

BoP = I'm Not Chasing It.

LMar

Some items will be able to be traded even if they are BoP in the new Update. Only with members of the group you were with in that dungeon and only for 2 hours after you get them I believe

Waffennacht

I'm most worried that they'll up the levels of armor making all of the farming of these sets now completely wasted later.

Like out comes 180 CP version of Trinimac (or not just make new sets at that level) completely destroying the sets I have.

I dunno if I want to regrind for a new version... or a new set. All my gold peices worthless... and I can't decon for my gold refiners back (well 1 of the 8 used... maybe)

Vangy

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Many of the best sets available are BoP, and for good reason. These items are generally more potent than most others, even the ones BoE as opposed to crafted. Of course there are good BoE and craftable sets too but the thing is the best stuff needs to be BoP to make people work for them, otherwise anyone can buy the best items in the game with gold they probably got from a rich friend, assuming the item wasn't sold for only 100k.

Sure many see it as a pain in the ass but remove BoP and everyone will start running around with the same ***. Too much in this game is so easy to get, let's not make it all that way. Besides, BoP item trading within your group when you get it is coming so you at least have that to look forward to.

Working for it and endless hamster wheel with no end in sight are 2 very different things. I have SPC. I have Trinimacs. I know for sure that when gear cap goes up, theres no way im doing this again lol. What they can do for example is let you choose ur reward box; Ie: trinimacs unkown armour set --> that only drops trinimacs pieces. People arent going to work for that 0.00001% chance of a drop. They'd be more inclined to work for it if the drop rates were reasonable.

The problem with ESO is that there is an insane grind followed by a HUGE rng layer..... Do things really have to be so hard? Are the nerds who grind 4 hours a day the only people who deserve to have good loot? What about the guy who plays an hour or two 3 times a week? Is he not working for gear? The way things are, this poor guy is going to get hit by gear cap increase by the time he farms any BOP 5 set bonus.....

Legoless

Vangy wrote: »

I know tons of people who dont even bother with BOP sets cos getting one complete set is next to impossible.

This. Aside from monster helms, I don't think I know anyone who even uses non-crafted sets.

Vangy

Legoless wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

I know tons of people who dont even bother with BOP sets cos getting one complete set is next to impossible.

This. Aside from monster helms, I don't think I know anyone who even uses non-crafted sets.

The only people who I know use non-crafted BOP gear are me and some of my hardcore-raiding guildies. For 90% of the player base, its out of reach cos of the time-sink-rng-madness. Most people just dont have the time to grind boring content for 1000hrs to have a chance at that 5 piece BOP gear.

Devs are just wasting their man-hours making sets that at least 70-80% of the player base isnt even going to bother trying to farm. The inertia of facing the RNG and grind wall is too damn high lol.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Many of the best sets available are BoP, and for good reason. These items are generally more potent than most others, even the ones BoE as opposed to crafted. Of course there are good BoE and craftable sets too but the thing is the best stuff needs to be BoP to make people work for them, otherwise anyone can buy the best items in the game with gold they probably got from a rich friend, assuming the item wasn't sold for only 100k.

Sure many see it as a pain in the ass but remove BoP and everyone will start running around with the same ***. Too much in this game is so easy to get, let's not make it all that way. Besides, BoP item trading within your group when you get it is coming so you at least have that to look forward to.

everyone already runs the same sets so if thats your only counterpoint then #fail

UltimaJoe777

Vangy wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Many of the best sets available are BoP, and for good reason. These items are generally more potent than most others, even the ones BoE as opposed to crafted. Of course there are good BoE and craftable sets too but the thing is the best stuff needs to be BoP to make people work for them, otherwise anyone can buy the best items in the game with gold they probably got from a rich friend, assuming the item wasn't sold for only 100k.

Sure many see it as a pain in the ass but remove BoP and everyone will start running around with the same ***. Too much in this game is so easy to get, let's not make it all that way. Besides, BoP item trading within your group when you get it is coming so you at least have that to look forward to.

Working for it and endless hamster wheel with no end in sight are 2 very different things. I have SPC. I have Trinimacs. I know for sure that when gear cap goes up, theres no way im doing this again lol. What they can do for example is let you choose ur reward box; Ie: trinimacs unkown armour set --> that only drops trinimacs pieces. People arent going to work for that 0.00001% chance of a drop. They'd be more inclined to work for it if the drop rates were reasonable.

The problem with ESO is that there is an insane grind followed by a HUGE rng layer..... Do things really have to be so hard? Are the nerds who grind 4 hours a day the only people who deserve to have good loot? What about the guy who plays an hour or two 3 times a week? Is he not working for gear? The way things are, this poor guy is going to get hit by gear cap increase by the time he farms any BOP 5 set bonus.....

It is the difficulty of it that gives it its value. I understand people hate grinding, I really do as I am not a fan of long grind sessions myself, but I do like how hard it is to get something valuable because it makes it FEEL valuable and makes me feel like I got something awesome I can brag about. There is so little of that in this game right now because of all the conveniences we have, so those with good Master or Maelstrom Weapons and good BoP items I give props to for their amazing effort and fortune.

UltimaJoe777

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Many of the best sets available are BoP, and for good reason. These items are generally more potent than most others, even the ones BoE as opposed to crafted. Of course there are good BoE and craftable sets too but the thing is the best stuff needs to be BoP to make people work for them, otherwise anyone can buy the best items in the game with gold they probably got from a rich friend, assuming the item wasn't sold for only 100k.

Sure many see it as a pain in the ass but remove BoP and everyone will start running around with the same ***. Too much in this game is so easy to get, let's not make it all that way. Besides, BoP item trading within your group when you get it is coming so you at least have that to look forward to.

everyone already runs the same sets so if thats your only counterpoint then #fail

Just because everyone is running it doesn't make it any less valuable. After all, game has been out for long enough now that many CAN have all that stuff and it retains its value because they all worked hard for it without it essentially being handed to them. Bottom line is every MMO needs something that feels like a true reward, and those BoP sets are as good as it's gonna get for this game. There may be people that don't see it that way because they are more balanced to not be OP but comparing BoP sets to all the BoE and craftable sets out there they are kind of above them overall. Again not saying the BoE sets are all bad, because they're not, but it's just the principle of the matter is all.

SanTii.92

I'd be pretty happy with a simple removal of training and prosperous from every bop item, a smarter drop trait - no alkosh staffs, etc. like we have now with So jewelry, eventually a more balanced trait table, specially for weapons, some are in dire need of a buff; on top of the incoming BoP trading system we are getting. Should be a pretty good spot.

UltimaJoe777

sAnn92 wrote: »

I'd be pretty happy with a simple removal of training and prosperous from every bop item, a smarter drop trait - no alkosh staffs, etc. like we have now with So jewelry, eventually a more balanced trait table, specially for weapons, some are in dire need of a buff; on top of the incoming BoP trading system we are getting. Should be a pretty good spot.

Prosperous honestly needs to drop out of the game entirely. Exploration was far more useful than such a small extra amount of LOOTED gold from KILLS ever would be.

Vangy

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Many of the best sets available are BoP, and for good reason. These items are generally more potent than most others, even the ones BoE as opposed to crafted. Of course there are good BoE and craftable sets too but the thing is the best stuff needs to be BoP to make people work for them, otherwise anyone can buy the best items in the game with gold they probably got from a rich friend, assuming the item wasn't sold for only 100k.

Sure many see it as a pain in the ass but remove BoP and everyone will start running around with the same ***. Too much in this game is so easy to get, let's not make it all that way. Besides, BoP item trading within your group when you get it is coming so you at least have that to look forward to.

Working for it and endless hamster wheel with no end in sight are 2 very different things. I have SPC. I have Trinimacs. I know for sure that when gear cap goes up, theres no way im doing this again lol. What they can do for example is let you choose ur reward box; Ie: trinimacs unkown armour set --> that only drops trinimacs pieces. People arent going to work for that 0.00001% chance of a drop. They'd be more inclined to work for it if the drop rates were reasonable.

The problem with ESO is that there is an insane grind followed by a HUGE rng layer..... Do things really have to be so hard? Are the nerds who grind 4 hours a day the only people who deserve to have good loot? What about the guy who plays an hour or two 3 times a week? Is he not working for gear? The way things are, this poor guy is going to get hit by gear cap increase by the time he farms any BOP 5 set bonus.....

It is the difficulty of it that gives it its value. I understand people hate grinding, I really do as I am not a fan of long grind sessions myself, but I do like how hard it is to get something valuable because it makes it FEEL valuable and makes me feel like I got something awesome I can brag about. There is so little of that in this game right now because of all the conveniences we have, so those with good Master or Maelstrom Weapons and good BoP items I give props to for their amazing effort and fortune.

I like it when I have to get through difficult content for a reward. I dont like artificial forced replaying of brain-dead boring content just for that 1% chance for gear... That isnt difficult. That's just boring....... Which is why I like that vMA weapons and master weapons are BOP and only found via completing content. Its also why I hate things like wrothgar sets.... Its not difficult. Its just boring as ***.

UltimaJoe777

Vangy wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Many of the best sets available are BoP, and for good reason. These items are generally more potent than most others, even the ones BoE as opposed to crafted. Of course there are good BoE and craftable sets too but the thing is the best stuff needs to be BoP to make people work for them, otherwise anyone can buy the best items in the game with gold they probably got from a rich friend, assuming the item wasn't sold for only 100k.

Sure many see it as a pain in the ass but remove BoP and everyone will start running around with the same ***. Too much in this game is so easy to get, let's not make it all that way. Besides, BoP item trading within your group when you get it is coming so you at least have that to look forward to.

Working for it and endless hamster wheel with no end in sight are 2 very different things. I have SPC. I have Trinimacs. I know for sure that when gear cap goes up, theres no way im doing this again lol. What they can do for example is let you choose ur reward box; Ie: trinimacs unkown armour set --> that only drops trinimacs pieces. People arent going to work for that 0.00001% chance of a drop. They'd be more inclined to work for it if the drop rates were reasonable.

The problem with ESO is that there is an insane grind followed by a HUGE rng layer..... Do things really have to be so hard? Are the nerds who grind 4 hours a day the only people who deserve to have good loot? What about the guy who plays an hour or two 3 times a week? Is he not working for gear? The way things are, this poor guy is going to get hit by gear cap increase by the time he farms any BOP 5 set bonus.....

It is the difficulty of it that gives it its value. I understand people hate grinding, I really do as I am not a fan of long grind sessions myself, but I do like how hard it is to get something valuable because it makes it FEEL valuable and makes me feel like I got something awesome I can brag about. There is so little of that in this game right now because of all the conveniences we have, so those with good Master or Maelstrom Weapons and good BoP items I give props to for their amazing effort and fortune.

I like it when I have to get through difficult content for a reward. I dont like artificial forced replaying of brain-dead boring content just for that 1% chance for gear... That isnt difficult. That's just boring....... Which is why I like that vMA weapons and master weapons are BOP and only found via completing content. Its also why I hate things like wrothgar sets.... Its not difficult. Its just boring as ***.

Yeah long grind sessions bore me too which is why I'm not big on them and believe me more often than not when I finally DO get what I sought out I'm all like FINALLY!! but also pleased that I got what I was after. RNGeebus is a *** but we do get a certain satisfaction when his shenanigans are in our favor.

Of course it's the BoPs or other things you can only try for once a day and fail to get that REALLY grind your gears but still...

Johngo0036

you are all aware that you will be able to trade BOP items with the next dlc?

If you were in a group that completed a dungeon together you will have up to 2 hours to trade items that are BOP

Vangy

Johngo0036 wrote: »

you are all aware that you will be able to trade BOP items with the next dlc?

If you were in a group that completed a dungeon together you will have up to 2 hours to trade items that are BOP

Might wanna read the OP more carefully;

"Now with the BOP trading coming soon, this problem will be slightly elevated for group-content farmed items. But I doubt it will fix the BOP items found in the world like wrothgar sets... So we are going to have a huge portion of the player base who wont even get to try it before level-cap increases. So all that time DEVS spent making these new sets is going to get pissed down the loo."


^ its in there and we know. Dosent help things like wrothgar sets I think. Since they come in reward boxes. WIll those be tradeable too?

UltimaJoe777

Johngo0036 wrote: »

you are all aware that you will be able to trade BOP items with the next dlc?

If you were in a group that completed a dungeon together you will have up to 2 hours to trade items that are BOP

So you can trade them to literally anybody then? What about Guild Banks, can you drop them in there too? Or is it still as I heard and it's within that group only?

Vangy

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Johngo0036 wrote: »

you are all aware that you will be able to trade BOP items with the next dlc?

If you were in a group that completed a dungeon together you will have up to 2 hours to trade items that are BOP

So you can trade them to literally anybody then? What about Guild Banks, can you drop them in there too? Or is it still as I heard and it's within that group only?

Nah its for people who were grouped with you and present at the site of boss death. Ie; dungeon bosses.

UltimaJoe777

Vangy wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Johngo0036 wrote: »

you are all aware that you will be able to trade BOP items with the next dlc?

If you were in a group that completed a dungeon together you will have up to 2 hours to trade items that are BOP

So you can trade them to literally anybody then? What about Guild Banks, can you drop them in there too? Or is it still as I heard and it's within that group only?

Nah its for people who were grouped with you and present at the site of boss death. Ie; dungeon bosses.

So what I originally thought then, thanks.

SanTii.92

Vangy wrote: »

Johngo0036 wrote: »

you are all aware that you will be able to trade BOP items with the next dlc?

If you were in a group that completed a dungeon together you will have up to 2 hours to trade items that are BOP

Might wanna read the OP more carefully;

"Now with the BOP trading coming soon, this problem will be slightly elevated for group-content farmed items. But I doubt it will fix the BOP items found in the world like wrothgar sets... So we are going to have a huge portion of the player base who wont even get to try it before level-cap increases. So all that time DEVS spent making these new sets is going to get pissed down the loo."


^ its in there and we know. Dosent help things like wrothgar sets I think. Since they come in reward boxes. WIll those be tradeable too?

It's not like wrothgar sets are crazy good tho, mediocre at best I'd say.

Vangy

sAnn92 wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Johngo0036 wrote: »

you are all aware that you will be able to trade BOP items with the next dlc?

If you were in a group that completed a dungeon together you will have up to 2 hours to trade items that are BOP

Might wanna read the OP more carefully;

"Now with the BOP trading coming soon, this problem will be slightly elevated for group-content farmed items. But I doubt it will fix the BOP items found in the world like wrothgar sets... So we are going to have a huge portion of the player base who wont even get to try it before level-cap increases. So all that time DEVS spent making these new sets is going to get pissed down the loo."


^ its in there and we know. Dosent help things like wrothgar sets I think. Since they come in reward boxes. WIll those be tradeable too?

It's not like wrothgar sets are crazy good tho, mediocre at best I'd say.

Mediocre yep. Nowhere near as good as SPC or vicious ophid.... Then what's with the BOP? Its not like they are top tier gear like vMA weapons.

NoMoreChillies

#removeBindOnPickup

make a smart decision please devs

SanTii.92

Vangy wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Johngo0036 wrote: »

you are all aware that you will be able to trade BOP items with the next dlc?

If you were in a group that completed a dungeon together you will have up to 2 hours to trade items that are BOP

Might wanna read the OP more carefully;

"Now with the BOP trading coming soon, this problem will be slightly elevated for group-content farmed items. But I doubt it will fix the BOP items found in the world like wrothgar sets... So we are going to have a huge portion of the player base who wont even get to try it before level-cap increases. So all that time DEVS spent making these new sets is going to get pissed down the loo."


^ its in there and we know. Dosent help things like wrothgar sets I think. Since they come in reward boxes. WIll those be tradeable too?

It's not like wrothgar sets are crazy good tho, mediocre at best I'd say.

Mediocre yep. Nowhere near as good as SPC or vicious ophid.... Then what's with the BOP? Its not like they are top tier gear like vMA weapons.

No, it's just a 'go do this content' gate. It's fine Imo, they just need to do something similar to what I suggested, and would be ok.

Also grant a weapon per Ma completion.

Johngo0036

Only with the people in the group.. sorry should have clarified that in original post

lardvader

First thing that has to change is proper scaling. If we at least get cp160 gear that would help a lot.

Second I would not mind if it was changed to BoE so we could sell some stuff also.

Last maybe remove some traits? This is not my biggest issue if they change scaling and BoP.

If the gear from Orsinium was BiS I could understand this choice. The gear is really not but it would be nice to have some sets for variation and proper testing with maxed out stats.

Also since the weapons have been added the loot table is almost 3 times as big now so it worse than ever to get anything good from it.

I was farming motifs after TG but haven't really bothered since. The content is not hard but extremely boring to farm without proper loot in the end.....

Please ZoS change loot drop in Orsinium to make this viable again. I'll be back farming like mad if it changes