Oh no.. what has happened to this game?!!

GreenhaloX

Oh holy mother of all mercy.. I didn't think it would happen, but I think I'm finally getting frustrated with this game. I know there are other recent threads on how things have gotten worsen after these recent maintenance. So, here's mine. Been at it for about 2 hours now and light attack is definitely not working right. Worse than before this maintenance. Resorting to spamming heavy attacks which are eating up all my stam more quickly and picking locks and chests are not smooth anymore. It's actually making me disinterested in going after treasure chests, which is one of my main staples of this game. If these issues and other lagging issues are not fixed anytime soon, I may just lose interest completely in this game and all other online type games. Good ZOS people.. hope you all are listening here!

RebornV3x

I wouldn't lose interest in all online games because of TESO this has to be one of the most unstable games Ive played in years

yodased

But heavy attacks give you stam back?

bowmanz607

Light and heavy attacks don't cost stam

ShedsHisTail

yodased wrote: »

But heavy attacks give you stam back?

That's what I was thinking, too.

GreenhaloX

yodased wrote: »

But heavy attacks give you stam back?

Not when using heavy consecutively against 4 or more enemies. Unless, I'm misterming my wrecking blow as a heavy attack. I would consider a wrecking blow as a heavy attack, and yes, consecutive wrecking blow eats up a whole lots of stam.

ComboBreaker88

GreenhaloX wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

But heavy attacks give you stam back?

Not when using heavy consecutively against 4 or more enemies. Unless, I'm misterming my wrecking blow as a heavy attack. I would consider a wrecking blow as a heavy attack, and yes, consecutive wrecking blow eats up a whole lots of stam.

No. Light and heavy attacks restore stamina. They do not cost stamina. Ever.

Annalyse

Wrecking Blow is not a heavy attack, it is a skill. Heavy attacks are done by holding down the attack key and they do not cost stamina. But yes, spamming skills will drain it quickly.

UltimaJoe777

GreenhaloX wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

But heavy attacks give you stam back?

Not when using heavy consecutively against 4 or more enemies. Unless, I'm misterming my wrecking blow as a heavy attack. I would consider a wrecking blow as a heavy attack, and yes, consecutive wrecking blow eats up a whole lots of stam.

Light and Heavy Attacks refer to basic attacks where Heavy is holding the button down to execute the full charge. Wrecking Blow is a hard-hitting attack ability. The 2 terms indicate different attacks.

GreenhaloX

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

But heavy attacks give you stam back?

Not when using heavy consecutively against 4 or more enemies. Unless, I'm misterming my wrecking blow as a heavy attack. I would consider a wrecking blow as a heavy attack, and yes, consecutive wrecking blow eats up a whole lots of stam.

No. Light and heavy attacks restore stamina. They do not cost stamina. Ever.

Fine.. whatever.. the light attack is still not working right. You don't use as much stam if you combo right with the light attack and wrecking blow. So, as the light attack is not working right and keep having to spam my wrecking blows.. that is what's eating up my stam more quickly.

yodased

Ah the crux.

The animations have been tweeked and the canceling of light attack with wrecking blow is significantly different than it used to be

You are going to have to figure out the cancel point of WB now, which is just about halfway through, like 60%.

You can't cancel before the windup anymore.

GreenhaloX

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

But heavy attacks give you stam back?

Not when using heavy consecutively against 4 or more enemies. Unless, I'm misterming my wrecking blow as a heavy attack. I would consider a wrecking blow as a heavy attack, and yes, consecutive wrecking blow eats up a whole lots of stam.

Light and Heavy Attacks refer to basic attacks where Heavy is holding the button down to execute the full charge. Wrecking Blow is a hard-hitting attack ability. The 2 terms indicate different attacks.

Oh., got it. Thank you for the clarification. So, I've been misterming those heavy attacks. You learn something new everyday..

Ep1kMalware

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Light and heavy attacks don't cost stam

this, I was wondering this. does he ,ean snipe? I can see the confusion. they take the same time to cast and hit about r=the same.

bebynnag

having great difficulty procing my NB spectral bow (stam morph havent logged on to MNB to try that yet) and on the rare occasion it does proc, the option to fire it disapears in half a seccond

GreenhaloX

yodased wrote: »

Ah the crux.

The animations have been tweeked and the canceling of light attack with wrecking blow is significantly different than it used to be

You are going to have to figure out the cancel point of WB now, which is just about halfway through, like 60%.

You can't cancel before the windup anymore.

I didn't have much problem with the cancelling of a light attack with wrecking blow when the light attack was actually working right, before this recent maintenance. Now, that the light attack is obviously delayed or not working at all when pressed, it's constantly just doing the wrecking blows. Although the wrecking blow by itself is still not bad at all, you don't get the same higher damage stats as when it combines right with the light attack when the light attack is actually working properly. Plus, it throws me off when pressing the light attack and it doesn't work, then trying to do it again and it still doesn't work or delayed and all the while you receiving blows from the enemies. Not a smooth fight or quick finish to the enemies as normally I'm used to.

Thevorpal1

puffytheslayer wrote: »

having great difficulty procing my NB spectral bow (stam morph havent logged on to MNB to try that yet) and on the rare occasion it does proc, the option to fire it disapears in half a seccond

Isn't that the morph where upon 4 light attacks the spectral bow lights up to use that skill?

If so it's been working fine for me before today's maintenance. At work atm so I can't check to see if somethings changed.

MilwaukeeScott

RebornV3x wrote: »

this has to be one of the most unstable games Ive played in years

Yep!

bowmanz607

GreenhaloX wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

But heavy attacks give you stam back?

Not when using heavy consecutively against 4 or more enemies. Unless, I'm misterming my wrecking blow as a heavy attack. I would consider a wrecking blow as a heavy attack, and yes, consecutive wrecking blow eats up a whole lots of stam.

No. Light and heavy attacks restore stamina. They do not cost stamina. Ever.

Fine.. whatever.. the light attack is still not working right. You don't use as much stam if you combo right with the light attack and wrecking blow. So, as the light attack is not working right and keep having to spam my wrecking blows.. that is what's eating up my stam more quickly.

Your use the same amount of stam whether you combo with a light attack or don't use a light attack. You do not get a stam reduction for multiple hits.

Unsent.Soul

bowmanz607 wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

But heavy attacks give you stam back?

Not when using heavy consecutively against 4 or more enemies. Unless, I'm misterming my wrecking blow as a heavy attack. I would consider a wrecking blow as a heavy attack, and yes, consecutive wrecking blow eats up a whole lots of stam.

No. Light and heavy attacks restore stamina. They do not cost stamina. Ever.

Fine.. whatever.. the light attack is still not working right. You don't use as much stam if you combo right with the light attack and wrecking blow. So, as the light attack is not working right and keep having to spam my wrecking blows.. that is what's eating up my stam more quickly.

Your use the same amount of stam whether you combo with a light attack or don't use a light attack. You do not get a stam reduction for multiple hits.

Clearly the OP is confused on terms, attacking, and combat in general. Not a Diss to OP it just helps when you can actually clarify what you are talking about.

navyspeed

Thread should have read: Can no longer animation cancel WB and now I am mad.

Smasherx74

GreenhaloX wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

But heavy attacks give you stam back?

Not when using heavy consecutively against 4 or more enemies. Unless, I'm misterming my wrecking blow as a heavy attack. I would consider a wrecking blow as a heavy attack, and yes, consecutive wrecking blow eats up a whole lots of stam.

No. Light and heavy attacks restore stamina. They do not cost stamina. Ever.

Fine.. whatever.. the light attack is still not working right. You don't use as much stam if you combo right with the light attack and wrecking blow. So, as the light attack is not working right and keep having to spam my wrecking blows.. that is what's eating up my stam more quickly.

What are you talking about? What do you mean light attacks aren't working right, can you light attack? What is your ping? Why did you claim attacks cost stamina... how long have you played this game for?

GreenhaloX

navyspeed wrote: »

Thread should have read: Can no longer animation cancel WB and now I am mad.

Oh yeah.. ha ha. The light attack issue and lock pick not moving when pressed had been happening on and off for the past few weeks, but not as much as yesterday. Before, it was more annoyance than anything, but yesterday.. well, it was too constant and occurred in every fights and chest lock picking attempts (for hours). So maybe the culmination of the past few weeks combined with yesterday's somehow had me boiled a bit. Yes, I was mad temporarily, but not anymore. Go Navy!

GreenhaloX

Smasherx74 wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

But heavy attacks give you stam back?

Not when using heavy consecutively against 4 or more enemies. Unless, I'm misterming my wrecking blow as a heavy attack. I would consider a wrecking blow as a heavy attack, and yes, consecutive wrecking blow eats up a whole lots of stam.

No. Light and heavy attacks restore stamina. They do not cost stamina. Ever.

Fine.. whatever.. the light attack is still not working right. You don't use as much stam if you combo right with the light attack and wrecking blow. So, as the light attack is not working right and keep having to spam my wrecking blows.. that is what's eating up my stam more quickly.

What are you talking about? What do you mean light attacks aren't working right, can you light attack? What is your ping? Why did you claim attacks cost stamina... how long have you played this game for?

I'm not the only one. There are other posts/threads of other players having problems with this light attack not working right issue.. and yes, I'm seeing any attacks other than light cost stamina.

ArchMikem

From what I can take from this is that he presses the button for a light attack, and nothing happens. Do you have Combat Messages enabled? Can you see actual damage numbers when you do a light attack? Or is this really something to do with this Animation Cancelling that others have stated cause I personally have no idea how all that works.

But yes you have been mislabeling your Skill Abilities as Heavy Attacks. If you're burning through your Stamina Pool then you need to perform actual Heavy Attacks to gain some back every now and then.

I think everyone would benefit if you tried to describe exactly what's been happening to you to notice this issue in detail.

GreenhaloX

ArchMikem wrote: »

From what I can take from this is that he presses the button for a light attack, and nothing happens.

Yes.. exactly!! Doesn't matter if trying to combo for animation cancelling or whatnot. Besides the point, if the light attack is not working, you're not getting any animation cancelling. Anyways, that was not my main issue. The problem was.. I noticed from just pressing for the light attack or regular attack (however it is termed), my character did not swing the greatsword at all or it took a couple or few seconds later to swing. So as my experiment, I would press the same button consecutively 2 to 3 times more and still my character doesn't swing. Finally, after the 4th or so, it would swing. Then, it seemed to reset and not swing again.. until again, 3 or 4 button pressing later. This was constantly in every fight instances.

Well, later on the evening, it seemed to work better and my character was actually swinging when pressed.. but yes, still occurred on and off, but not as much as earlier in the day for the few hours following the maintenance. Maybe the good ZOS folks heard mine and the others' complaints and the issue was passively improved (but not completely fixed) sometime later in the day. Haven't got into the game today yet, so, I hope it's a better game day.

Elsonso

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SantieClaws

But the fishing is still ok yes?

Please reassure khajiit!

Yours with shaking paws
Santie Claws

GreenhaloX

SantieClaws wrote: »

But the fishing is still ok yes?

Please reassure khajiit!

Yours with shaking paws
Santie Claws

Haaa, it's @SantieClaws. Hello! Ha ha! Oh, of course.. you can't mess with the fishing. It's even better and more relaxing when you stripped down all your armor and fish in your underwear. Then you jump in for a quick swim or bath. Lord knows the character needs it after all the days of sweating and blood drenching grinding from all those fights and travels.

CasNation

For reference to the people who don't know what he is talking about regarding more resource useage: weaving a skill takes slightly longer to execute than just spamming an ability. This both increases the amount of time between each cast, so you are using resources less frequently, and also alows your regen to tick more frequently. It is why weaving is a critical skill to develop for single target dps sustain, and why AoE sustain can be harder, since you rarely weave when doing AoE DPS.

Ravinsild

Perhaps try changing it up to medium-weaving: Use Wrecking Blow then hold the left mouse button for 1.5 seconds and release then Wrecking Blow, then hold the left mouse button for 1.5 seconds etc... it should give some stamina back and still be kind of like your other ani-cancel pace albeit slightly slowed down.

Eiagra

Am I reading it right that Wrecking Blow + Light Attack previously cancelled the stamina consumption of the ability upon animation cancel, but still executed its damage? If so, that's not a technique, that's an exploit...

I tend not to rely on animation cancelling, so am not completely familiar with all its nuances. Perhaps I am mis-reading.