Silver/Gold is so lazy and boring, why not just give us unique faction questing instead of shortcuts

Smasherx74

ZOS doesn't want to spend money on voice acting unique faction questing, instead we magically play through alternate faction quests as if we were apart of the alliance to begin with.


Why can't we just get a Craglorn expansion, meaning end game solo content that isn't paid for. I'm highly disappointed with the end game, it's just grinding literally. At least with WoW you had unique quest factors and lands where you had to keep playing the game. ESO is just lazy in terms of gameplay, it's extremely repetitive even for a MMO.

Tryxus

One Tamriel coming up soon...

Smileybones

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Smasherx74

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Who said anythibng about that? I want end game solo content. DB and Thieves guild combined aren't even close to as much content is in the factions. We need a REAL end game, maybe open up oblivion or a new continent idk but we need something in the future. This concept of going back and playing generic faction quests is beyond lazy.

AlnilamE

What are you, new?

We've had this discussion many a time already.

More solo content will come in due time, but I don't think questing will ever be "endgame".

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Who said anythibng about that? I want end game solo content. DB and Thieves guild combined aren't even close to as much content is in the factions. We need a REAL end game, maybe open up oblivion or a new continent idk but we need something in the future. This concept of going back and playing generic faction quests is beyond lazy.

Why can't we just get a Craglorn expansion, meaning end game solo content that isn't paid for.

well in your own words you want more free content, so.... you did

Smasherx74

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Who said anythibng about that? I want end game solo content. DB and Thieves guild combined aren't even close to as much content is in the factions. We need a REAL end game, maybe open up oblivion or a new continent idk but we need something in the future. This concept of going back and playing generic faction quests is beyond lazy.

Why can't we just get a Craglorn expansion, meaning end game solo content that isn't paid for.

well in your own words you want more free content, so.... you did

Welll was craglorn not free? I feel as if the game has never been fully completed. The concept of redoing the other factions quests just seems beyond lazy to me. I understand this is a fully voice acted mmo, but we can't sit around for 2 years with no endgame content aside from DLCs and group play. There needs to be more solo based quests for end game, more zones and more quests.

Karthos

I've recently gotten my first character to level 50 and beyond, and have started to dabble with Silver.

After questing through my original storyline, I thought that content would come to a close rather quickly. Boy was I happy I was wrong!

looking ahead, I have a lot of content ahead of me:

Silver
Gold
Wrothgar
Craglorn
Thieves Guild
Dark Brotherhood
More to come, because I'm damn sure I won't finish all of that before new content comes out.

I do wish mobs would scaled a bit higher - the first zone of Silver seems to have mobs that are CP 40, which seems low. Would also like end game mobs to scale higher than CP 160 in the far reaches of the current content. I'm assuming they don't.

Is Silver and Gold lazy on ZOS's behalf? Perhaps, but it's also a very efficient way of allowing characters to experience content. Why waste all that development?

For someone that has done all the above content, I can understand you might be bored, but to get to that place, you would have had to do a huge amount of questing. Few MMO's offer so much content, most of which is free.

I'm confident that more and more content will come out in the future, and for me, I'm happy doing Silver and Gold. Or DLC. Or the huge amount of other options I have!

Edit: I think the OPs definition of "endgame" might differ somewhat to that of other players.

WldKarde

To be honest, my latest character just hit lvl 50 and was promoted to "Godhood" ...but I'm OK with that.

I was here at the start when EVRYTHING was a challenge...I mean mud crabs were to be feared for goodness sake!

That was then and this is now.

I have well over the cap of cp's and I should feel that power, plus this game is no longer a sub based game. For this game to continue to grow it needs to be more forgiving to those who are just stating out. Granted I do miss the old days, but I'd also rather have a healthy and growing game, rather than an elitist paradise.

I choose to believe that ZOS has learned from the past 2+ years and is moving ESO into a sustainable future. I love TES games, and I want to continue to enjoy my time in Tamriel for many years to come. That's why I continue to sub and also why I continue to help welcome new players into our community. Just because something has become "easy" for me...doesn't mean that there are not other players who struggle. Hell there are still things that I find in ESO that are challenging.

I owe a debt to those who took the time to help me out as I was learning...and I choose to pay it forward.


Eventually we will get our more challenging content, in the meantime why not take the time to help our newer players find the joy of playing ESO as we once did.

It's just a game...have fun...and give something back

wayfarerx

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Who said anythibng about that? I want end game solo content. DB and Thieves guild combined aren't even close to as much content is in the factions. We need a REAL end game, maybe open up oblivion or a new continent idk but we need something in the future. This concept of going back and playing generic faction quests is beyond lazy.

Why can't we just get a Craglorn expansion, meaning end game solo content that isn't paid for.

well in your own words you want more free content, so.... you did

Welll was craglorn not free? I feel as if the game has never been fully completed. The concept of redoing the other factions quests just seems beyond lazy to me. I understand this is a fully voice acted mmo, but we can't sit around for 2 years with no endgame content aside from DLCs and group play. There needs to be more solo based quests for end game, more zones and more quests.

Note: Craglorn was not free at all. When it came out ESO was sub-only, so us first year players paid for Craglorn with our subs and it was grandfathered into the base game when it went B2P.

You're welcome.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Who said anythibng about that? I want end game solo content. DB and Thieves guild combined aren't even close to as much content is in the factions. We need a REAL end game, maybe open up oblivion or a new continent idk but we need something in the future. This concept of going back and playing generic faction quests is beyond lazy.

Why can't we just get a Craglorn expansion, meaning end game solo content that isn't paid for.

well in your own words you want more free content, so.... you did

Welll was craglorn not free? I feel as if the game has never been fully completed. The concept of redoing the other factions quests just seems beyond lazy to me. I understand this is a fully voice acted mmo, but we can't sit around for 2 years with no endgame content aside from DLCs and group play. There needs to be more solo based quests for end game, more zones and more quests.

no it wasnt free. you had to buy the game which craiglorn was not a part of. you also had to pay just to log on, it was sub only game. when craiglorn came out that was new content paid for by subs, made by the people who's job exists because we are paying subs. now its changed to BTP or sub options but still, the people who make new content jobs exists because they are creating revenue, and in real life if they just made more stuff for free becuase you dont feel its good enough then where would be no revenue to pay a team to make content, balance and supervise etc? no, they need to sell us the content they make sitting in the offices, this isnt magic land.
does it need more content? YES. thats what you *** paying for.

Isnt this just common sense? why do I even bother.

Smasherx74

wayfarerx wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Who said anythibng about that? I want end game solo content. DB and Thieves guild combined aren't even close to as much content is in the factions. We need a REAL end game, maybe open up oblivion or a new continent idk but we need something in the future. This concept of going back and playing generic faction quests is beyond lazy.

Why can't we just get a Craglorn expansion, meaning end game solo content that isn't paid for.

well in your own words you want more free content, so.... you did

Welll was craglorn not free? I feel as if the game has never been fully completed. The concept of redoing the other factions quests just seems beyond lazy to me. I understand this is a fully voice acted mmo, but we can't sit around for 2 years with no endgame content aside from DLCs and group play. There needs to be more solo based quests for end game, more zones and more quests.

Note: Craglorn was not free at all. When it came out ESO was sub-only, so us first year players paid for Craglorn with our subs and it was grandfathered into the base game when it went B2P.

You're welcome.

You refuted your own argument.

Note: I've played since beta.

Edit: Craglorn is free, saying whether or not it was free is irrelevant to the discussion. We want true end game solo content, not replaying the other faction quests, when I first played through the game I never bothered with silver/gold because I had already done all those quests on the appropriate faction. Doing those quests are fine, but the plot behind it is simply lazy, and the fact there is no new content compared to vanilla faction quests just makes that questline that much more boring and is the reason why so many people skip gold/silver to begin with.

Smasherx74

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Who said anythibng about that? I want end game solo content. DB and Thieves guild combined aren't even close to as much content is in the factions. We need a REAL end game, maybe open up oblivion or a new continent idk but we need something in the future. This concept of going back and playing generic faction quests is beyond lazy.

Why can't we just get a Craglorn expansion, meaning end game solo content that isn't paid for.

well in your own words you want more free content, so.... you did

Welll was craglorn not free? I feel as if the game has never been fully completed. The concept of redoing the other factions quests just seems beyond lazy to me. I understand this is a fully voice acted mmo, but we can't sit around for 2 years with no endgame content aside from DLCs and group play. There needs to be more solo based quests for end game, more zones and more quests.

no it wasnt free. you had to buy the game which craiglorn was not a part of. you also had to pay just to log on, it was sub only game. when craiglorn came out that was new content paid for by subs, made by the people who's job exists because we are paying subs. now its changed to BTP or sub options but still, the people who make new content jobs exists because they are creating revenue, and in real life if they just made more stuff for free becuase you dont feel its good enough then where would be no revenue to pay a team to make content, balance and supervise etc? no, they need to sell us the content they make sitting in the offices, this isnt magic land.
does it need more content? YES. thats what you *** paying for.

Isnt this just common sense? why do I even bother.

Oh my god, so let me straighten this out for you.

The game had a sub fee every month aside from the first month you bought the game, while these sub fees were mandatory new content called craglorn came out. Everyone was actively paying a sub each month to play the game, that means that new content was FREE to them. Craglorn did not drop after subs ended and required ESO plus to play, Craglorn was apart of the vanilla game and is the original content of the game.

This isn't a debate, you're both just wrong.

svartorn

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

I'm getting really sick of everything thinking everything is free.

LadyNalcarya

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Who said anythibng about that? I want end game solo content. DB and Thieves guild combined aren't even close to as much content is in the factions. We need a REAL end game, maybe open up oblivion or a new continent idk but we need something in the future. This concept of going back and playing generic faction quests is beyond lazy.

Why can't we just get a Craglorn expansion, meaning end game solo content that isn't paid for.

well in your own words you want more free content, so.... you did

Welll was craglorn not free? I feel as if the game has never been fully completed. The concept of redoing the other factions quests just seems beyond lazy to me. I understand this is a fully voice acted mmo, but we can't sit around for 2 years with no endgame content aside from DLCs and group play. There needs to be more solo based quests for end game, more zones and more quests.

no it wasnt free. you had to buy the game which craiglorn was not a part of. you also had to pay just to log on, it was sub only game. when craiglorn came out that was new content paid for by subs, made by the people who's job exists because we are paying subs. now its changed to BTP or sub options but still, the people who make new content jobs exists because they are creating revenue, and in real life if they just made more stuff for free becuase you dont feel its good enough then where would be no revenue to pay a team to make content, balance and supervise etc? no, they need to sell us the content they make sitting in the offices, this isnt magic land.
does it need more content? YES. thats what you *** paying for.

Isnt this just common sense? why do I even bother.

Oh my god, so let me straighten this out for you.

The game had a sub fee every month aside from the first month you bought the game, while these sub fees were mandatory new content called craglorn came out. Everyone was actively paying a sub each month to play the game, that means that new content was FREE to them. Craglorn did not drop after subs ended and required ESO plus to play, Craglorn was apart of the vanilla game and is the original content of the game.

This isn't a debate, you're both just wrong.

Well nowadays its the same. When you're subscribed, youre getting all content for "free", though its not actually free. Craglorn also wasnt free, you couldnt access it without a sub (=payment).
Also, you're crazy. This game already has more solo content than any mmo and 95% of any dlc consisted of solo quests.
There's so many solo quests I cant finish them all after more than a year in game. More than in any TES game there was.

Smasherx74

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Who said anythibng about that? I want end game solo content. DB and Thieves guild combined aren't even close to as much content is in the factions. We need a REAL end game, maybe open up oblivion or a new continent idk but we need something in the future. This concept of going back and playing generic faction quests is beyond lazy.

Why can't we just get a Craglorn expansion, meaning end game solo content that isn't paid for.

well in your own words you want more free content, so.... you did

Welll was craglorn not free? I feel as if the game has never been fully completed. The concept of redoing the other factions quests just seems beyond lazy to me. I understand this is a fully voice acted mmo, but we can't sit around for 2 years with no endgame content aside from DLCs and group play. There needs to be more solo based quests for end game, more zones and more quests.

no it wasnt free. you had to buy the game which craiglorn was not a part of. you also had to pay just to log on, it was sub only game. when craiglorn came out that was new content paid for by subs, made by the people who's job exists because we are paying subs. now its changed to BTP or sub options but still, the people who make new content jobs exists because they are creating revenue, and in real life if they just made more stuff for free becuase you dont feel its good enough then where would be no revenue to pay a team to make content, balance and supervise etc? no, they need to sell us the content they make sitting in the offices, this isnt magic land.
does it need more content? YES. thats what you *** paying for.

Isnt this just common sense? why do I even bother.

Oh my god, so let me straighten this out for you.

The game had a sub fee every month aside from the first month you bought the game, while these sub fees were mandatory new content called craglorn came out. Everyone was actively paying a sub each month to play the game, that means that new content was FREE to them. Craglorn did not drop after subs ended and required ESO plus to play, Craglorn was apart of the vanilla game and is the original content of the game.

This isn't a debate, you're both just wrong.

Well nowadays its the same. When you're subscribed, youre getting all content for "free", though its not actually free. Craglorn also wasnt free, you couldnt access it without a sub (=payment).
Also, you're crazy. This game already has more solo content than any mmo and 95% of any dlc consisted of solo quests.
There's so many solo quests I cant finish them all after more than a year in game. More than in any TES game there was.

You couldn't access the game period, and when the sub fee got dropped, allowing everyone who for example just bough the game and got 30 days free, to have access to craglorn thereby making it A VANILLA ASSET!

It's not a paid for place, Craglorn was never a DLC nor was it apart of ESO plus after the sub fees dropped, It was just a late introduced part of the game, saying craglorn is paid for is like saying the justice system is paid for. It's a logical error.

Smasherx74

svartorn wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

I'm getting really sick of everything thinking everything is free.

I want end game solo content, the way craglorn was introduced, is the same way a new end game content should be introduced.

Milvan

Smasherx74 wrote: »

I want end game solo content, the way craglorn was introduced, is the same way a new end game content should be introduced.

Really? I like the silver and gold a lot. I'm a completionist myself, so I like to run to throught the map completing everything and the small amount of players make it very relaxing and calm to enjoy the beatifull music and amazing landscape.

Tho, the questing, the dark anchors, the bosses and the delves could be a little more difficult.

Smasherx74

Milvan wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

I want end game solo content, the way craglorn was introduced, is the same way a new end game content should be introduced.

Really? I like the silver and gold a lot. I'm a completionist myself, so I like to run to throught the map completing everything and the small amount of players make it very relaxing and calm to enjoy the beatifull music and amazing landscape.

Tho, the questing, the dark anchors, the bosses and the delves could be a little more difficult.

After you've played every single quest, went through every single dialog, and know all of the plot for each faction, it's just an annoying task to go to those other zones for Skyshards or lore books if you need them. There is no way I'm ever going to do those quests again, It's like playing WoW as a druid on that left continent, then after you get to level 60 they make you go back to Goldshire and stormwind or something to do those starter quests.

I don't know how to explain the feeling, but it's a terrible feeling going back through begging quests, especially when they're just scaling up the zones higher level to give peopel without 160+ cp a veteran ranking experience.

I got all my CP From trials and dungeons. I never could do or finish gold/silver because of the fact I know all the quests and it's boring.. I Want fresh new true end game content, and it should be free. There shouldn't be a DLC for every new piece of content added to the game, do you want to have 50 vanilla pledges then 50 dlc pledges that are 100% sure to deter some players from their daily pledge since they literally cant do it. (That's an example)

LadyNalcarya

Smasherx74 wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Who said anythibng about that? I want end game solo content. DB and Thieves guild combined aren't even close to as much content is in the factions. We need a REAL end game, maybe open up oblivion or a new continent idk but we need something in the future. This concept of going back and playing generic faction quests is beyond lazy.

Why can't we just get a Craglorn expansion, meaning end game solo content that isn't paid for.

well in your own words you want more free content, so.... you did

Welll was craglorn not free? I feel as if the game has never been fully completed. The concept of redoing the other factions quests just seems beyond lazy to me. I understand this is a fully voice acted mmo, but we can't sit around for 2 years with no endgame content aside from DLCs and group play. There needs to be more solo based quests for end game, more zones and more quests.

no it wasnt free. you had to buy the game which craiglorn was not a part of. you also had to pay just to log on, it was sub only game. when craiglorn came out that was new content paid for by subs, made by the people who's job exists because we are paying subs. now its changed to BTP or sub options but still, the people who make new content jobs exists because they are creating revenue, and in real life if they just made more stuff for free becuase you dont feel its good enough then where would be no revenue to pay a team to make content, balance and supervise etc? no, they need to sell us the content they make sitting in the offices, this isnt magic land.
does it need more content? YES. thats what you *** paying for.

Isnt this just common sense? why do I even bother.

Oh my god, so let me straighten this out for you.

The game had a sub fee every month aside from the first month you bought the game, while these sub fees were mandatory new content called craglorn came out. Everyone was actively paying a sub each month to play the game, that means that new content was FREE to them. Craglorn did not drop after subs ended and required ESO plus to play, Craglorn was apart of the vanilla game and is the original content of the game.

This isn't a debate, you're both just wrong.

Well nowadays its the same. When you're subscribed, youre getting all content for "free", though its not actually free. Craglorn also wasnt free, you couldnt access it without a sub (=payment).
Also, you're crazy. This game already has more solo content than any mmo and 95% of any dlc consisted of solo quests.
There's so many solo quests I cant finish them all after more than a year in game. More than in any TES game there was.

You couldn't access the game period, and when the sub fee got dropped, allowing everyone who for example just bough the game and got 30 days free, to have access to craglorn thereby making it A VANILLA ASSET!

It's not a paid for place, Craglorn was never a DLC nor was it apart of ESO plus after the sub fees dropped, It was just a late introduced part of the game, saying craglorn is paid for is like saying the justice system is paid for. It's a logical error.

Well, they couldnt sell the content twice, right? So every "dlc" they released before the b2p release became a part of base game. And imo calling something you had to pay for "free" is a huge logical error. Yes, you had to pay for logging in as well, but Craglorn was funded with money they've earned with subs.
Also, justice system was released in patch 1.6, as base-game update, and in the same patch the game went b2p.

P.S. No one ever wants to work for free. So no matter which payment system the game has, b2p, p2p, even f2p, games are made to earn money. And by the way, f2p games are the most expensive for players and are very profitable for developers.

Milvan

Smasherx74 wrote: »

After you've played every single quest, went through every single dialog, and know all of the plot for each faction, it's just an annoying task to go to those other zones for Skyshards or lore books if you need them. There is no way I'm ever going to do those quests again (...) I never could do or finish gold/silver because of the fact I know all the quests and it's boring.. I Want fresh new true end game content, and it should be free.

I fully agree with you, quest replayability is null. I also agree with you concening the Craglorn Adventure zone style, they indeed should launch more zones like that. They are fun, quite challeging, very good for small groups of people that want to make a fast cps.

Concerning the lack of solo content for end game, most of MMORPGs that I played, totally lacked solo content, specially for end game, so I don't really miss anything, I think that Silver and Gold, Arena, Craglorn, Cyrodill (PVE) even tho the quest replayability is dull, the other things on the map are okay: the delves, the bosses, public dungeons etc.

But they do need a diffilculty update, and I mean by a lot.

C0wrex

One Tamriel tho

Smasherx74

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Who said anythibng about that? I want end game solo content. DB and Thieves guild combined aren't even close to as much content is in the factions. We need a REAL end game, maybe open up oblivion or a new continent idk but we need something in the future. This concept of going back and playing generic faction quests is beyond lazy.

Why can't we just get a Craglorn expansion, meaning end game solo content that isn't paid for.

well in your own words you want more free content, so.... you did

Welll was craglorn not free? I feel as if the game has never been fully completed. The concept of redoing the other factions quests just seems beyond lazy to me. I understand this is a fully voice acted mmo, but we can't sit around for 2 years with no endgame content aside from DLCs and group play. There needs to be more solo based quests for end game, more zones and more quests.

no it wasnt free. you had to buy the game which craiglorn was not a part of. you also had to pay just to log on, it was sub only game. when craiglorn came out that was new content paid for by subs, made by the people who's job exists because we are paying subs. now its changed to BTP or sub options but still, the people who make new content jobs exists because they are creating revenue, and in real life if they just made more stuff for free becuase you dont feel its good enough then where would be no revenue to pay a team to make content, balance and supervise etc? no, they need to sell us the content they make sitting in the offices, this isnt magic land.
does it need more content? YES. thats what you *** paying for.

Isnt this just common sense? why do I even bother.

Oh my god, so let me straighten this out for you.

The game had a sub fee every month aside from the first month you bought the game, while these sub fees were mandatory new content called craglorn came out. Everyone was actively paying a sub each month to play the game, that means that new content was FREE to them. Craglorn did not drop after subs ended and required ESO plus to play, Craglorn was apart of the vanilla game and is the original content of the game.

This isn't a debate, you're both just wrong.

Well nowadays its the same. When you're subscribed, youre getting all content for "free", though its not actually free. Craglorn also wasnt free, you couldnt access it without a sub (=payment).
Also, you're crazy. This game already has more solo content than any mmo and 95% of any dlc consisted of solo quests.
There's so many solo quests I cant finish them all after more than a year in game. More than in any TES game there was.

You couldn't access the game period, and when the sub fee got dropped, allowing everyone who for example just bough the game and got 30 days free, to have access to craglorn thereby making it A VANILLA ASSET!

It's not a paid for place, Craglorn was never a DLC nor was it apart of ESO plus after the sub fees dropped, It was just a late introduced part of the game, saying craglorn is paid for is like saying the justice system is paid for. It's a logical error.

Well, they couldnt sell the content twice, right? So every "dlc" they released before the b2p release became a part of base game. And imo calling something you had to pay for "free" is a huge logical error. Yes, you had to pay for logging in as well, but Craglorn was funded with money they've earned with subs.
Also, justice system was released in patch 1.6, as base-game update, and in the same patch the game went b2p.

P.S. No one ever wants to work for free. So no matter which payment system the game has, b2p, p2p, even f2p, games are made to earn money. And by the way, f2p games are the most expensive for players and are very profitable for developers.

Nothing in the game is free, if you want to be technical. What was given as vanilla base content (meaning is available currently through just buying the game and not extra content) is apart of the game. Craglorn was not originally in the game but came later on, whether sub to play dropped or not the craglorn zone and quests are apart of the current vanilla game. What you and other people are arguing is since craglorn was added later ( as was the justice system), it is apart of the sub to play fee which was dropped and changed to ESO plus, which is not a sound argument because craglorn has was available when the sub dropped and there was never any DLC content to buy it from, nor did previous payers of the sub fees during ESO's first year get it for free compared to it being DLC'd. There is literally no logical explanation for how Craglorn "end game" content is paid for.

Taleof2Cities

Well there is Vet Maelstrom Arena which is end game solo content. It's not solo questing ... but it is end game.

After that, I think the OP's only argument for new free content is the aforementioned revamp of Craglorn. The zone can use an overhaul ... which might include new quests for solo or groups (the zone was intended to be a group zone).

This is an MMO. New end game questing is a good idea and could happen. But, given the amount of quests already in the game, new content is likely not going to be free.

LadyNalcarya

Smasherx74 wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Who said anythibng about that? I want end game solo content. DB and Thieves guild combined aren't even close to as much content is in the factions. We need a REAL end game, maybe open up oblivion or a new continent idk but we need something in the future. This concept of going back and playing generic faction quests is beyond lazy.

Why can't we just get a Craglorn expansion, meaning end game solo content that isn't paid for.

well in your own words you want more free content, so.... you did

Welll was craglorn not free? I feel as if the game has never been fully completed. The concept of redoing the other factions quests just seems beyond lazy to me. I understand this is a fully voice acted mmo, but we can't sit around for 2 years with no endgame content aside from DLCs and group play. There needs to be more solo based quests for end game, more zones and more quests.

no it wasnt free. you had to buy the game which craiglorn was not a part of. you also had to pay just to log on, it was sub only game. when craiglorn came out that was new content paid for by subs, made by the people who's job exists because we are paying subs. now its changed to BTP or sub options but still, the people who make new content jobs exists because they are creating revenue, and in real life if they just made more stuff for free becuase you dont feel its good enough then where would be no revenue to pay a team to make content, balance and supervise etc? no, they need to sell us the content they make sitting in the offices, this isnt magic land.
does it need more content? YES. thats what you *** paying for.

Isnt this just common sense? why do I even bother.

Oh my god, so let me straighten this out for you.

The game had a sub fee every month aside from the first month you bought the game, while these sub fees were mandatory new content called craglorn came out. Everyone was actively paying a sub each month to play the game, that means that new content was FREE to them. Craglorn did not drop after subs ended and required ESO plus to play, Craglorn was apart of the vanilla game and is the original content of the game.

This isn't a debate, you're both just wrong.

Well nowadays its the same. When you're subscribed, youre getting all content for "free", though its not actually free. Craglorn also wasnt free, you couldnt access it without a sub (=payment).
Also, you're crazy. This game already has more solo content than any mmo and 95% of any dlc consisted of solo quests.
There's so many solo quests I cant finish them all after more than a year in game. More than in any TES game there was.

You couldn't access the game period, and when the sub fee got dropped, allowing everyone who for example just bough the game and got 30 days free, to have access to craglorn thereby making it A VANILLA ASSET!

It's not a paid for place, Craglorn was never a DLC nor was it apart of ESO plus after the sub fees dropped, It was just a late introduced part of the game, saying craglorn is paid for is like saying the justice system is paid for. It's a logical error.

Well, they couldnt sell the content twice, right? So every "dlc" they released before the b2p release became a part of base game. And imo calling something you had to pay for "free" is a huge logical error. Yes, you had to pay for logging in as well, but Craglorn was funded with money they've earned with subs.
Also, justice system was released in patch 1.6, as base-game update, and in the same patch the game went b2p.

P.S. No one ever wants to work for free. So no matter which payment system the game has, b2p, p2p, even f2p, games are made to earn money. And by the way, f2p games are the most expensive for players and are very profitable for developers.

Nothing in the game is free, if you want to be technical. What was given as vanilla base content (meaning is available currently through just buying the game and not extra content) is apart of the game. Craglorn was not originally in the game but came later on, whether sub to play dropped or not the craglorn zone and quests are apart of the current vanilla game. What you and other people are arguing is since craglorn was added later ( as was the justice system), it is apart of the sub to play fee which was dropped and changed to ESO plus, which is not a sound argument because craglorn has was available when the sub dropped and there was never any DLC content to buy it from, nor did previous payers of the sub fees during ESO's first year get it for free compared to it being DLC'd. There is literally no logical explanation for how Craglorn "end game" content is paid for.

Now its included in base game price. Before that, the game was sub-based and all additions, endgame or otherwise, as well as access to servers, were added in it. So it wasnt free, it was a package deal, so to speak. These days you can get the same if you stay subscribed.
I dont understand what's your problem. I was playing before b2p release, then I just continued my sub and nothing changed for me. You can do the same.
They've abandoned p2p model, but they cant release content for free. Servers, even potato servers ZOS uses, cost money, content development costs money, even reskinning mounts does. So you can either buy dlcs (which is not new for TES series, even Morrowind had expansion packs that were sold separately) or subscribe. The amount of solo quests is overwhelming, and the quality of them in dlcs is better than in base game.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

Who said anythibng about that? I want end game solo content. DB and Thieves guild combined aren't even close to as much content is in the factions. We need a REAL end game, maybe open up oblivion or a new continent idk but we need something in the future. This concept of going back and playing generic faction quests is beyond lazy.

Why can't we just get a Craglorn expansion, meaning end game solo content that isn't paid for.

well in your own words you want more free content, so.... you did

Welll was craglorn not free? I feel as if the game has never been fully completed. The concept of redoing the other factions quests just seems beyond lazy to me. I understand this is a fully voice acted mmo, but we can't sit around for 2 years with no endgame content aside from DLCs and group play. There needs to be more solo based quests for end game, more zones and more quests.

no it wasnt free. you had to buy the game which craiglorn was not a part of. you also had to pay just to log on, it was sub only game. when craiglorn came out that was new content paid for by subs, made by the people who's job exists because we are paying subs. now its changed to BTP or sub options but still, the people who make new content jobs exists because they are creating revenue, and in real life if they just made more stuff for free becuase you dont feel its good enough then where would be no revenue to pay a team to make content, balance and supervise etc? no, they need to sell us the content they make sitting in the offices, this isnt magic land.
does it need more content? YES. thats what you *** paying for.

Isnt this just common sense? why do I even bother.

Oh my god, so let me straighten this out for you.

The game had a sub fee every month aside from the first month you bought the game, while these sub fees were mandatory new content called craglorn came out. Everyone was actively paying a sub each month to play the game, that means that new content was FREE to them. Craglorn did not drop after subs ended and required ESO plus to play, Craglorn was apart of the vanilla game and is the original content of the game.

This isn't a debate, you're both just wrong.

wow your thick as a brick. a sub is not free and it pays for the content that is developed during the duration. you truley are a fing moron.

not only that, it was even more expensive: 15$ a month is 45 dollars per 3 month update and they were not releasing as much content. not only was it not free, it was much more expensive then now when you can just sub for one month to play an update and then not pay until the next one.

Smasherx74

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Now its included in base game price. Before that, the game was sub-based and all additions, endgame or otherwise, as well as access to servers, were added in it. So it wasnt free, it was a package deal, so to speak.

You aren't following here, the game sub-based content was ALL OF IT"S CONTENT, there was no free-to-play during the first year, ALL OF THE CONTENT was PAY TO PLAY. That means, craglorn, justice system, cyrodill, all are apart of the vanilla game. Just because one or the other came later in development does not mean it's an exclusive paid for part of the game. Why is this so hard to understand for you all? Am I honestly being trolled here or are you all not reading what I am saying?

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

wow your thick as a brick. a sub is not free and it pays for the content that is developed during the duration. you truley are a fing moron.

not only that, it was even more expensive: 15$ a month is 45 dollars per 3 month update and they were not releasing as much content. not only was it not free, it was much more expensive then now when you can just sub for one month to play an update and then not pay until the next one.

Paying for subs does not = craglorn content, you are not justifying the games content by the financial situation of the game... Craglorn was added to the game, despite whether or not ZOS needed subscription money to build craglorn that is an irrelevant conclusion. Craglorn never required crowns or ESO plus, it's as simple as that. To play craglorn before pay-to-play ended, you had to pay each month just as you would to play any of the game's content.


You, and a lot of other people are the ones who are thick as a brick here, I've had this issue with the community before about them arguing Mementos were not a game breaking bug, although that was more technical this is just common sense. ZOS can close this thread, all people are doing now is *** posting unsound arguments I've addressed already. In other words trolling.

JWKe

Smileybones wrote: »

So basically you want to pay once and get free updates forever ? Things don't work like that in the real world outside.

The game does have a cash shop.

TheDarkoil

I've only really got one character apart from one I started back with the games initial release so silver and gold (I've just started silver) to me was a really nice surprise, I didn't want to start a fresh character to experience the other areas which I would of done if needs be.
The base game is massive and is many times over its worth in value when compared to other games so I don't think they should release any dlcs for free.
I've played this game now about 250 - 300 hours, estimate I've done about 30% of the available base content and have spent about £100 on it which might actually be the most I've ever spent on a single game, I do not feel ripped off even in the slightest.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

Smasherx74 wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Now its included in base game price. Before that, the game was sub-based and all additions, endgame or otherwise, as well as access to servers, were added in it. So it wasnt free, it was a package deal, so to speak.

You aren't following here, the game sub-based content was ALL OF IT"S CONTENT, there was no free-to-play during the first year, ALL OF THE CONTENT was PAY TO PLAY. That means, craglorn, justice system, cyrodill, all are apart of the vanilla game. Just because one or the other came later in development does not mean it's an exclusive paid for part of the game. Why is this so hard to understand for you all? Am I honestly being trolled here or are you all not reading what I am saying?

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

wow your thick as a brick. a sub is not free and it pays for the content that is developed during the duration. you truley are a fing moron.

not only that, it was even more expensive: 15$ a month is 45 dollars per 3 month update and they were not releasing as much content. not only was it not free, it was much more expensive then now when you can just sub for one month to play an update and then not pay until the next one.

Paying for subs does not = craglorn content, you are not justifying the games content by the financial situation of the game... Craglorn was added to the game, despite whether or not ZOS needed subscription money to build craglorn that is an irrelevant conclusion. Craglorn never required crowns or ESO plus, it's as simple as that. To play craglorn before pay-to-play ended, you had to pay each month just as you would to play any of the game's content.


You, and a lot of other people are the ones who are thick as a brick here, I've had this issue with the community before about them arguing Mementos were not a game breaking bug, although that was more technical this is just common sense. ZOS can close this thread, all people are doing now is *** posting unsound arguments I've addressed already. In other words trolling.

nobody is trolling you, we just think your hilarious for saying content you pay through a sub is free. Guess what, you could just sub as if it never went btp and everything they put out is the base game, as far as your concerned. its just really funny that you cant connect them creating revenue to produce product with them developing content.
just because you write on some forum in caps that your right dosent make you right. anothor irl lesson for ya.

they cant add the content to the base game, "for free" as you like to call it, now that its a buy to play model.

either get it for free with your sub or buy the dlc. thems the breaks

Smasherx74

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

nobody is trolling you, we just think your hilarious for saying content you pay through a sub is free. Guess what, you could just sub as if it never went btp and everything they put out is the base game, as far as your concerned. its just really funny that you cant connect them creating revenue to produce product with them developing content.
just because you write on some forum in caps that your right dosent make you right. anothor irl lesson for ya.

they cant add the content to the base game, "for free" as you like to call it, now that its a buy to play model.

either get it for free with your sub or buy the dlc. thems the breaks

You did not pay for craglorn in during your pay-to-play era, craglorn was not withheld from non-ESOplus members. It was given out as part of the vanilla game, when it debuted everybody was paying a sub fee. Craglorn was never at any point, not free/vanilla.


If you want to argue Bethesda is too poor to developed a MMO, so they used Sub fees during the first year of console to pay for craglorn then that's fine. But that does not mean craglorn was ever at any point required additional payment outside of the vanilla game.

You are just arguing for the sake of arguing, you didn't read my posts. I'm done discussing whether or not craglorn is vanilla, you're just wrong.