Dark Brotherhood skills absolutely useless?

KontrolledKhaos

Scales of Pitiless Justice - Seems useful on first glance, but a good assassin never gets caught committing murder, so it's useless.
Padomaic Sprint - Rapid Maneuver makes this skill absolutely useless. Also, as above, a good assassin never gets caught committing murder, so this isn't necessary.
Shadowy Supplier - The disguise the vendor gives can be useful, but did we really need to spend a skill point to get it? The vendor should be there in the sanctuary by default.
Shadow Rider - You're kidding, right? Do I even need to say anything? Is Zenimax actually trying to insult us by expecting us to pay a skill point for this?
Spectral Assassin - Only 15% chance of actually working means that it won't work often enough for it to ever be worth getting.

The only skill that's actually useful is Blade of Woe but since we get that for free, it doesn't really count.

thisisScoMan

I do not have to sit here and listen to you talk about Shadow Rider like that!

Good day, to you!

I said, "Good day"!

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Oh let me try!

Are all the other skills in the game useless?

A good assassin never uses anything but the Blade of Woe to complete a contract.

Smasherx74

The Thieves guild passives were 100% better, honestly they should of done something like give you a 1 free murder pass per day like how you can bride a guard not to harass you for 1 day in tg.

Another thing they could of done is "increase treasure rewards" on kill, so when you kill someone they have an increasing chance to drop more valuable loot.



Honestly the DB passives are very ineffective, increasing speed isn't really helping anyone unless they murder in front of a guard which is stupid.

ADarklore

KontrolledKhaos wrote: »

Scales of Pitiless Justice - Seems useful on first glance, but a good assassin never gets caught committing murder, so it's useless.
Padomaic Sprint - Rapid Maneuver makes this skill absolutely useless. Also, as above, a good assassin never gets caught committing murder, so this isn't necessary.
Shadowy Supplier - The disguise the vendor gives can be useful, but did we really need to spend a skill point to get it? The vendor should be there in the sanctuary by default.
Shadow Rider - You're kidding, right? Do I even need to say anything? Is Zenimax actually trying to insult us by expecting us to pay a skill point for this?
Spectral Assassin - Only 15% chance of actually working means that it won't work often enough for it to ever be worth getting.

The only skill that's actually useful is Blade of Woe but since we get that for free, it doesn't really count.

First... you're making a HUGE assumption that EVERY player is "a good assassin", which they are not.

Second... with Padomaic Sprint you don't have to spend ANY Stamina, which for a Magicka user is a huge boon because they already have low Stamina pool; it's tough for a Magicka user to SPRINT after using RM because they just blew their entire Stamina pool using RM.

Third... Shadowy Supplier shows a person's commitment to the cause, if you're unwilling to spend the point, clearly you're not committed.

Fourth... Shadow Rider is useful for players who have not invested in Stamina increase for their mounts since low Stamina means being knocked off the mount much easier... it is also good for players who like to sit idle on their mount while they AFK. But yeah, I do agree this one is not all that useful in most situations.

Fifth... let's remember that even Blur and Evasion only have a 20% dodge chance but people use it all the time with great success. A 15% chance of not being detected is better than not having that chance.

Perhaps if you're a player who is low on SPs these might be seen as not worthwhile, which then begs the question... have you not been out collecting all those Skyshards across Tamriel?!? But also let's be realistic... these passives weren't meant to make players OP otherwise everyone would be screaming P2W since these passives are locked behind a DLC paywall. They're simply meant as a 'slight' improvement and skill point sink.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Or how about something that could be used in any other part of the game?

A higher crit from sneak or higher damage or maybe a 5 second insta cloak after a kill.

KontrolledKhaos

ADarklore wrote: »

Perhaps if you're a player who is low on SPs these might be seen as not worthwhile, which then begs the question... have you not been out collecting all those Skyshards across Tamriel?!?

I've got plenty of skyshards. I'm currently sitting on 215 unspent skill points, and that's AFTER purchasing all the skills I want.

ADarklore wrote: »

these passives weren't meant to make players OP otherwise everyone would be screaming P2W since these passives are locked behind a DLC paywall. They're simply meant as a 'slight' improvement and skill point sink.

I'm not asking for us to be made overpowered, and I agree that there should be a skill point sink. However, Zenimax should be giving us skills that are actually worth sinking our points into.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Or how about something that could be used in any other part of the game?

A higher crit from sneak or higher damage or maybe a 5 second insta cloak after a kill.

Now this I can get behind. These skills would definitely be worth sinking points into, and are perfectly in line with being an assassin.

Silver_Strider

I only really bother with the supplier. It's really no better or worst than the crafting hirelings other than the fact you actually need to interact with the Supplier as opposed to receiving mail.

The absolute only time I ever get caught during an assassination is when I get the target at the Riften Docks, as there is another NPC there and it isn't possible for me to kill her without the 2nd NPC seeing and neither of them move so I just get fed up and kill both of them and go off on my merry way. DB doesn't help in much of anyway. I get they don't want the skill lines added in DB and TG to be these awesome skill lines with passives that would be almost mandatory to be competitive (*cough*P2W*cough*) but at least the TG skill line offered some useful utilities that weren't all around worthless.

Brutusmax1mus

There is a cloak passive after a heavy attack kill in cp

Phinix1

KontrolledKhaos wrote: »

Scales of Pitiless Justice - Seems useful on first glance, but a good assassin never gets caught committing murder, so it's useless.
Padomaic Sprint - Rapid Maneuver makes this skill absolutely useless. Also, as above, a good assassin never gets caught committing murder, so this isn't necessary.
Shadowy Supplier - The disguise the vendor gives can be useful, but did we really need to spend a skill point to get it? The vendor should be there in the sanctuary by default.
Shadow Rider - You're kidding, right? Do I even need to say anything? Is Zenimax actually trying to insult us by expecting us to pay a skill point for this?
Spectral Assassin - Only 15% chance of actually working means that it won't work often enough for it to ever be worth getting.

The only skill that's actually useful is Blade of Woe but since we get that for free, it doesn't really count.

Sadly was pretty much my impression as well. Legerdemain and Thieves at least had stuff I would use.

I guess the Shadow Rider things is worth it if you spend a lot of time riding your wolf around Grahtwood playing "leader of the pack" RP or something.

Phinix1

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I only really bother with the supplier. It's really no better or worst than the crafting hirelings other than the fact you actually need to interact with the Supplier as opposed to receiving mail.

And for the fact that the Sithis set is absolutely worthless for anything other than roleplaying a Dark Brotherhood ninja until the real motif comes out.

Or until we get a proper transmog system sometime in 2019.

Silver_Strider

Phinix1 wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I only really bother with the supplier. It's really no better or worst than the crafting hirelings other than the fact you actually need to interact with the Supplier as opposed to receiving mail.

And for the fact that the Sithis set is absolutely worthless for anything other than roleplaying a Dark Brotherhood ninja until the real motif comes out.

What do you mean worthless?
My Blazing Shield Templar adores it

Phinix1

There are better set combinations to get more health where the powerful 5-piece bonus isn't completely useless. Since you can only use BoW once out of combat, it will more or less never come into play in Cyrodiil and virtually never in any serious PVE content.

Complete waste of a 5-piece bonus.

UltimaJoe777

KontrolledKhaos wrote: »

Scales of Pitiless Justice - Seems useful on first glance, but a good assassin never gets caught committing murder, so it's useless.
Padomaic Sprint - Rapid Maneuver makes this skill absolutely useless. Also, as above, a good assassin never gets caught committing murder, so this isn't necessary.
Shadowy Supplier - The disguise the vendor gives can be useful, but did we really need to spend a skill point to get it? The vendor should be there in the sanctuary by default.
Shadow Rider - You're kidding, right? Do I even need to say anything? Is Zenimax actually trying to insult us by expecting us to pay a skill point for this?
Spectral Assassin - Only 15% chance of actually working means that it won't work often enough for it to ever be worth getting.

The only skill that's actually useful is Blade of Woe but since we get that for free, it doesn't really count.

Scales of Pitiless Justice - Sure a good assassin doesn't get caught, but sometimes the game throws curve balls at you just to be a ***. Also some NPCs are ALWAYS in a witness' protective sight...

Padomaic Sprint - Just because Major Expedition has other sources doesn't make this useless. In fact, it's quite useful when you're on a homicidal spree as you can get from A to B quicker withOUT using skills for the buff.

Shadowy Supplier - This one I can agree is pretty useless, unless you use him for free poisons or something. Everything he gives you can be looted though. Don't know about the disguises myself but I never use them anyway.

Shadow Rider - Eyes of the beholder there. Doesn't hurt to have it really, could be a worse effect...

Spectral Assassin - Only 15% eh? Well Major Evasion is "only" 20%, Decisive is "only" 17%... I can go on.

Phinix1

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Spectral Assassin - Only 15% eh? Well Major Evasion is "only" 20%, Decisive is "only" 17%... I can go on.

Big difference though between "20% chance to dodge/avoid damage you are just going to self/group heal anyway" and "15% chance I'm not going to get busted inside an inescapable building with 4k+ and purple motif in stolen goods."

Reliability is relative.

UltimaJoe777

Phinix1 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Spectral Assassin - Only 15% eh? Well Major Evasion is "only" 20%, Decisive is "only" 17%... I can go on.

Big difference though between "20% chance to dodge/avoid damage you are just going to self/group heal anyway" and "15% chance I'm not going to get busted inside an inescapable building with 4k+ and purple motif in stolen goods."

Reliability is relative.

It's never meant to be a perfect safeguard, just an occasional one if you happen to goof up. Still though 15% doesn't mean it never procs or barely procs.

Sausage

I like that what gives speed buff after killing someone.