Kvatch Gladiator set...

Toc de Malsvi

I just don't see a situation where this set really is worth much. You would think a DK with 40% to heavy attack could make the most of this but in all honesty there is just such a small window where you would be able to get fully charged heavy attacks off on someone once they are 25% health that the 5 set bonus is kinda worthless. It would be better to have a 5 set that gives light and heavy attacks a small bleed or something then increases at 25% health.

As it stands the only way to really use this is to spam light attacks for the few seconds where your target is low. The fact of the matter is that the way executes work in this game every single person with an execute will be doing massively more damage by the time the target is at 25% health so the % of time they stay below 25% health is so small even on bosses that it just doesn't make up for the other 90% of time where they are above 25% health. Basically you will spend 90% of the time fighting something above 25% health and then when they hit that threshold they either get a big heal or die in a matter of seconds. If its a boss it might last another minute or so but that is such a short period of the fight that you wont be getting a lot of big heavy attacks in, and light attacks are not that significant when compared to executes plus any other set benefits you for the whole fight.

Here is a link to the set:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Kvatch+Gladiator+Set

Daemons_Bane

I use it in my current endgame setup .. I have 5 piece nightmother on chest, hands, head, shoulders and boots.. 2 piece Hunding's Rage on my daggers, and 2 piece Kvatch Gladiator on Legs and Belt Works well on my Crit build

Smasherx74

It's the same as nightmothers for the first 3, but I don't see that full set piece ever being better than say full Nightmother, or TBS.

Robbmrp

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I use it in my current endgame setup .. I have 5 piece nightmother on chest, hands, head, shoulders and boots.. 2 piece Hunding's Rage on my daggers, and 2 piece Kvatch Gladiator on Legs and Belt Works well on my Crit build

No, you don't use that set, you use 1 bonus from it. They are talking about the 5 item bonus, not 2 items. You could be using 2 Hundings for that exact same effect and it wouldn't affect your build one bit.

Bouldercleave

I agree. I also only use 2 pieces of this set for the crits, but the 5 set bonus really doesn't offer enough to make it worth it.

CP5

While grinding a tank i ran this set for a little bit, managed 18k heavy attack crits with low weapon damage. It has its place and can take the place of an execute, i can imagine dual wield would suit the bonus better but you can get some good numbers off with this, so long as you aren't just mass casing executes.

Toc de Malsvi

I went to the crafting station just for giggles and the Weapon damage is much higher than the wiki lists it at. Its about 1700 for that last 25%, makes it a lot more feasible although still very weak outside of that range.

Daemons_Bane

Robbmrp wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I use it in my current endgame setup .. I have 5 piece nightmother on chest, hands, head, shoulders and boots.. 2 piece Hunding's Rage on my daggers, and 2 piece Kvatch Gladiator on Legs and Belt Works well on my Crit build

No, you don't use that set, you use 1 bonus from it. They are talking about the 5 item bonus, not 2 items. You could be using 2 Hundings for that exact same effect and it wouldn't affect your build one bit.

Well, I didn't read it as OP specifically talking about the 5 piece bonus.. That aside, 2 piece bonus still counts as using it ;-)

acw37162

This is basically a set for stam sorc or a stam DK mainly he DK because of their weapon buffs;

Used in conjunction with a lot of points in the center blue tree amping your light and heavy attack damage.

It's not a min/max meta build but built correctly you can get a ton of damage from your heavy weapon attacks.

It is a nice set to experiment with and oaky around with.

Mixed with flanking for those who don't have the gold for robust agility jewelry is a very nice poor mans DPS if you don't want to run Hundings for whatever reason.

You could very easily run 5 Kvatch 5 flanking on a DW or S&B bar with a monster helm and shoulders of your choosing

Or 5 and 5 with Bow and 2H with kena shoulders.

Your not going to set the world indirect but pkayeed correctly could be a lot of fun.

The problem is with flanking actually you have to be directly behind a player or NPC it needs to be more forgiving.

hrothbern

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

I went to the crafting station just for giggles and the Weapon damage is much higher than the wiki lists it at. Its about 1700 for that last 25%, makes it a lot more feasible although still very weak outside of that range.

@Toc de Malsvi ,

You mean it did 1700 more damage per Heavy Attack ?

Unsent.Soul

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I use it in my current endgame setup .. I have 5 piece nightmother on chest, hands, head, shoulders and boots.. 2 piece Hunding's Rage on my daggers, and 2 piece Kvatch Gladiator on Legs and Belt Works well on my Crit build

No, you don't use that set, you use 1 bonus from it. They are talking about the 5 item bonus, not 2 items. You could be using 2 Hundings for that exact same effect and it wouldn't affect your build one bit.

Well, I didn't read it as OP specifically talking about the 5 piece bonus.. That aside, 2 piece bonus still counts as using it ;-)

The entire post is about the 5 piece set bonus..........

Toc de Malsvi

hrothbern wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

I went to the crafting station just for giggles and the Weapon damage is much higher than the wiki lists it at. Its about 1700 for that last 25%, makes it a lot more feasible although still very weak outside of that range.

@Toc de Malsvi ,

You mean it did 1700 more damage per Heavy Attack ?

@hrothbern
No I mean the bonus weapon damage gained to light and heavy attacks on targets below 25% is just over 1700, something like 1800 for all gold, but I wasn't going to invest in it. Playing around with it right now. The weapon damage is really nice for that small window but that window is very very small, works well with bows in pvp if you want to run Venom Arrow for the interrupt. Will help you push people with a light attack weave, not as bad as I thought was when I read it giving 600 or so weapon damage. Still not sold on it as a set though.

Toc de Malsvi

acw37162 wrote: »

This is basically a set for stam sorc or a stam DK mainly he DK because of their weapon buffs;

Used in conjunction with a lot of points in the center blue tree amping your light and heavy attack damage.

It's not a min/max meta build but built correctly you can get a ton of damage from your heavy weapon attacks.

It is a nice set to experiment with and oaky around with.

Mixed with flanking for those who don't have the gold for robust agility jewelry is a very nice poor mans DPS if you don't want to run Hundings for whatever reason.

You could very easily run 5 Kvatch 5 flanking on a DW or S&B bar with a monster helm and shoulders of your choosing

Or 5 and 5 with Bow and 2H with kena shoulders.

Your not going to set the world indirect but pkayeed correctly could be a lot of fun.

The problem is with flanking actually you have to be directly behind a player or NPC it needs to be more forgiving.

I think it would pair better on a Stam Sorc cause of the Implosion passive proccing' from physical damage around the same range, also I believe the Stam Sorc's 11% to heavy attack bonus does not require fully charged heavies which would mean you could get much more out of a medium weave. That or a NB cause of Minor Berserk, I've been using on my DK and its just too long to get a heavy charged, your talking about a 2 second plus cast where your target has to stay at less than 25% health and stay alive for you to benefit from the passive. I mean it hits like a truck when you do, I was getting 40-50k hits on mammoths, guaranteed kill if you could land it though.

For PVE I would rather run 2 kena, 3 agil, 5kvatch, 1maelstrom if I was going to run it for PVE. I think it would pair really nice with Kena, but again you talking about a small small window of damage compared to fights on the whole.

starkerealm

As a non-endgame execution set, it makes sense. Not everything needs to be endgame grade, especially when it's a 5 trait set.

Destyran

No templar with light attack after jabs with viper?