Racial Passives - How to please everyone.

Radburn

The concept of racial passives was a great idea in the beginning creating unique choices, however over time it has not held up. I don't think ZOS intended for people to choose a race solely based on their racial bonuses, but that is how things have ended up. When people starting min/maxing it became apparent that racial passives overshadowed everything else. People should get to play the race they want and customise certain racial passives to their liking.

Choose only one option from each of the three categories.

Category 1:
10 %Magicka Regen
10% Stamina Regen
30% Health Regen
6% Max Health

Category 2:
10% Max Magicka
10% Max Stamina
10% Max health
6% Max Health / Magicka / Stamina

Category 3:
10% Stealth bonus damage
8% critical rating
3% Elemental Damage (Flame,Cold,SHock)
6% Cold
6% Flame
6% Shock
3% Magic Damage
3% Poison / Disease
8% Critical damage
10% Healing
6% Damage Mitigation
3600 Spell resist
3600 Physical resist
1800 Spell & Physical resist

This would eliminate race bias and allow for some amazing build customisation while letting you play the race you've always wanted to play. Roleplayers can choose bonuses that reflect their intended character story. Min/Maxers can fine tune their choices to maximize their build. Those who find the aesthetics of their character important get to choose the race that pleases them most along with the bonuses that fits their playstyle.

UltimaJoe777

According to a recent poll I ran it's about half and half between choosing for passives and choosing for the race itself.

Nestor

It would be better if we had "Traits" rather than Racial Passives. Then we could have the type of character we want, with the looks that we want.

Shadesofkin

I love the passives as is, this wouldn't really please me. Sure I could find a few points I don't like in the change, but I'm very fond of the changes overall.

Sandman929

You forgot Increased Swimming Speed, and Resistance to Lava....apparently those are important traits that many players would choose.

Sandman929

Seriously though, great list, love the idea, certainly much better than the current setup of 1 or 2 useful passives coupled with some novelty crap that nobody wants.

Kalifas

You mean like my proposition Nestor?

Kalifa's Racial Passive Revision


Numbers could be off.
Option 1 is predetermined.
Option 2 is selective traits.

Under option 2 you select traits.


1 Talent
1 Resist
1 Dynamic
1 Personality

I like the novelty crap, as long as it's purpose is to not withhold stronger passives from players.

Averya_Teira

All class skill lines and racials should be accessible to everyone.

Choose 3 racials from them all.

Choose 3 class skill lines from them all.

ShedsHisTail

Radburn wrote: »

The concept of racial passives was a great idea in the beginning creating unique choices, however over time it has not held up. I don't think ZOS intended for people to choose a race solely based on their racial bonuses, but that is how things have ended up. When people starting min/maxing it became apparent that racial passives overshadowed everything else. People should get to play the race they want and customise certain racial passives to their liking.

Choose only one option from each of the three categories.

Category 1:
10 %Magicka Regen
10% Stamina Regen
30% Health Regen
6% Max Health

Category 2:
10% Max Magicka
10% Max Stamina
10% Max health
6% Max Health / Magicka / Stamina

Category 3:
10% Stealth bonus damage
8% critical rating
3% Elemental Damage (Flame,Cold,SHock)
6% Cold
6% Flame
6% Shock
3% Magic Damage
3% Poison / Disease
8% Critical damage
10% Healing
6% Damage Mitigation
3600 Spell resist
3600 Physical resist
1800 Spell & Physical resist

This would eliminate race bias and allow for some amazing build customisation while letting you play the race you've always wanted to play. Roleplayers can choose bonuses that reflect their intended character story. Min/Maxers can fine tune their choices to maximize their build. Those who find the aesthetics of their character important get to choose the race that pleases them most along with the bonuses that fits their playstyle.

Kinda eliminates the whole "racial" aspect though doesn't it?
Instead it just becomes, "Extra bonuses for your toon!"

Might as well just remove them if you're going to make the choice universal.
This is Champion Points in a different form.

Cously

I like your system. I'm torn between lore and passives now. Even because the current passives are not really lore correct anyways, so I'm for either purity or full customization but not this abomination we have in between.

Radburn

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Kinda eliminates the whole "racial" aspect though doesn't it?
Instead it just becomes, "Extra bonuses for your toon!"

Might as well just remove them if you're going to make the choice universal.
This is Champion Points in a different form.

I don't disagree with this.

Each Race could have their own static, unique racial bonus like swim speed or frost resist to maintain that aspect. These bonuses should not be strong enough that they force someone to choose that race over another though. Some people may want to create a Nord mage or a Altmer Tank and with the proposed changes they could.

Miszou

It's hardly a racial bonus if you can select it separately from your race...

That said, racial bonuses shouldn't really confer any useful abilities. They should just be there for flavor, or should all end up evening out at the end.

For example:
Argonian gets swimming speed and +15% xp gain on restoration staffs.
Khajit: takes less fall damage and gets +15% xp bonus on daggers. (Or whatever)

Perhaps it would make more sense to pick a Birthsign at character creation and go from there...

Born under the sign of the mage and get extra magicka.
Born under Ritual and get extra healing done (Instead of shafting my Argonian Tank with useless racial changes )

ShedsHisTail

Radburn wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Kinda eliminates the whole "racial" aspect though doesn't it?
Instead it just becomes, "Extra bonuses for your toon!"

Might as well just remove them if you're going to make the choice universal.
This is Champion Points in a different form.

I don't disagree with this.

Each Race could have their own static, unique racial bonus like swim speed or frost resist to maintain that aspect. These bonuses should not be strong enough that they force someone to choose that race over another though. Some people may want to create a Nord mage or a Altmer Tank and with the proposed changes they could.

But, they still can.
There's nothing stopping a player from making a Nord Mage or Altmer Tank now. Yeah, they might not be "best-in-slot" toons, but realistically, there are maybe 100 people playing this game who are so optimized in both gear and skill that being "best-in-slot" makes any difference. For everyone else, that extra few percent of whatever can be made up for by gearing a little different, or playing a little better.

Too much emphasis gets put on min/maxing when the fact is, most players who are min/maxing don't have the skill necessary to "max" to begin with. An extra 4% Stamina regen (or whatever) is not going to make as big a difference as you think unless you know exactly how to optimize it's use.

Sorry, not trying to be critical or derail, it's just the facts of the matter. Very few of us are good enough players that racials are the deciding factor between success and failure in most situations.

Tandor

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Radburn wrote: »

The concept of racial passives was a great idea in the beginning creating unique choices, however over time it has not held up. I don't think ZOS intended for people to choose a race solely based on their racial bonuses, but that is how things have ended up. When people starting min/maxing it became apparent that racial passives overshadowed everything else. People should get to play the race they want and customise certain racial passives to their liking.

Choose only one option from each of the three categories.

Category 1:
10 %Magicka Regen
10% Stamina Regen
30% Health Regen
6% Max Health

Category 2:
10% Max Magicka
10% Max Stamina
10% Max health
6% Max Health / Magicka / Stamina

Category 3:
10% Stealth bonus damage
8% critical rating
3% Elemental Damage (Flame,Cold,SHock)
6% Cold
6% Flame
6% Shock
3% Magic Damage
3% Poison / Disease
8% Critical damage
10% Healing
6% Damage Mitigation
3600 Spell resist
3600 Physical resist
1800 Spell & Physical resist

This would eliminate race bias and allow for some amazing build customisation while letting you play the race you've always wanted to play. Roleplayers can choose bonuses that reflect their intended character story. Min/Maxers can fine tune their choices to maximize their build. Those who find the aesthetics of their character important get to choose the race that pleases them most along with the bonuses that fits their playstyle.

Kinda eliminates the whole "racial" aspect though doesn't it?
Instead it just becomes, "Extra bonuses for your toon!"

Might as well just remove them if you're going to make the choice universal.
This is Champion Points in a different form.

This.

idk

Zos has specifically said they will not introduce anything like the OP suggests.

Additionally,'OP is merely speculating on Zos' intentions with no basis on joe we should select characters with no basis other than his own oppinion which is biased by his desires. Moreover, few players support OPs idea based on how rare this specific topic has been in the forums and how fast the few related threads have died.

Zos clearly intended for players to choose a race based on any taste they had. Racial passives.

The solution to those who want different passives without re-rolling a character has been presented to us and will go live next month.

Solariken

It's probably too late anyway, but I think it would be really interesting to give each race a passive proc ability that is powerful but comes with a counterweight. This would be optional to put skill points into but would give more fun options.

So just an idea, Khajiit could have a 1% chance to dodge incoming attacks but also a 1% chance to bleed for X damage when hit by a physical attack.

Food for thought ZOS!

Vangy

If this happens I'd like a refund on my imperial race.

GivvumBoane

You will never please everyone. Don't even try.

dodgehopper_ESO

Nestor wrote: »

It would be better if we had "Traits" rather than Racial Passives. Then we could have the type of character we want, with the looks that we want.

I'd like something in between, so we could still have racial uniqueness, but in a way that would be logical for a different character bias, perspective, or profession.