[Races on PST] Suggestion: make Imperials a jack-of-all-trades!

Mimeq

Since there's plenty of imperials mages (Abnur Tharn) and plenty of imperials necromancers, i think it would be cool if imperials were a jack-of-all-trades race, i mean, they at least have some talent for sorcery i suppose, i don't think that would be lore breaking, we can do this by simply making these changes:

Shield affinity/Diplomat/or whatever the name is (Increases experience gain with one-handed and shield by 15%) -> War affinity/Weapon affinity/Diplomat: Increases experience gain with all weapons by 2.5% (or 3%) (this includes one-handed and shield of course) // increases 2.5% because 15%/6 (6 types of weapons) = 2.5%

Tough: increases max HP by 4/8/12% -> increases max HP by 4/7/10%

Conditioning: increases max Stam by 4/7/10% -> remains the same

Red diamond: gives your melee attacks a 10% chance to restore X/2X/3X Health -> (new name): increases max Magicka by 4/7/10%

who is with me?

Thevorpal1

What you talking about Jack?

Wollust

I'd prefer them making Red Diamond useful again over the magicka thing.

Mimeq

Thevorpal1 wrote: »

What you talking about Jack?

fixed it. lol in my mind i was "jack-of-all-trades", don't know why i wrote jake haha

Mimeq

Wollust wrote: »

I'd prefer them making Red Diamond useful again over the magicka thing.

but i wish i could play with a magicka imperial come on...that would be good for all of us

Actually_Goku

Please note I posted this in another topic but feel it's relevant here

If we're going to keep stacking races this way, whereby people like me don't want to play as a friggin cat for Stam builds, but not be missing out on the opporunity to have that build be the best it can, then we should come up with a better system.

We could have a 3-tier choice system, similar to something like COD perks when it comes to racial passives.

One Tamriel in an opportunity as well in this respect. We're throwing lore out with One Tamriel, and the Any-race in any alliance becoming more or less pre-requisite to playing - might as well go the full chook and allow people to choose perks, as I said in a carefully chosen tier system.

Some people: myself included, simply don't want to play as a cat, or Orc, or Wood Elf, or a lizard.

AmakarGranaen

Mimeq wrote: »

Since there's plenty of imperials mages (Abnur Tharn) and plenty of imperials necromancers, i think it would be cool if imperials were a jack-of-all-trades race, i mean, they at least have some talent for sorcery i suppose, i don't think that would be lore breaking, we can do this by simply making these changes:

Shield affinity/Diplomat/or whatever the name is (Increases experience gain with one-handed and shield by 15%) -> War affinity/Weapon affinity/Diplomat: Increases experience gain with all weapons by 2.5% (or 3%) (this includes one-handed and shield of course) // increases 2.5% because 15%/6 (6 types of weapons) = 2.5%

Tough: increases max HP by 4/8/12% -> increases max HP by 4/7/10%

Conditioning: increases max Stam by 4/7/10% -> remains the same

Red diamond: gives your melee attacks a 10% chance to restore X/2X/3X Health -> (new name): increases max Magicka by 4/7/10%

who is with me?

Rat is with you.

Bdawwg

If you don't want to play with a certain race then don't. Why is it such a big deal to change everything? You want to play as a nord then play as a nord don't start complaining about how it isn't as good as another race YOU chose it no one forced you to. (Just using nord as an example nothing more). Too many whiners.

Solariken

Hmm, I would rather they just add something to Red Diamond to make it more competitive, like 1/2/3% incoming damage reduction or make it lifesteal the same amount that it heals currently.

Or, they could fuse Red Diamond with the max health bonus and then give a max magicka bonus. So they would have 10% bonus to health, stam, and mag and a 10% chance to restore 6% health with melee attacks.

Either way, RD needs work, it's pretty lackluster.

Mimeq

Bdawwg wrote: »

If you don't want to play with a certain race then don't. Why is it such a big deal to change everything? You want to play as a nord then play as a nord don't start complaining about how it isn't as good as another race YOU chose it no one forced you to. (Just using nord as an example nothing more). Too many whiners.

have you ever heard about a word called "efficiency", what about "worth it"? Well, if you want to play with magicka nord you are being straight up stupid by not taking advantage of the magicka pool that the other races gives, it's not worth it, magicka nord is just not efficient, we all have to pay our bills pve/pvp after all. Also, i know it was just an example, but the nord is really...brute to be a mage, it doesn't fit aesthetically, i don't think people would like to play with a nord sorc and it would be lore breaking, even for RP players i guess...

It's just one passive, Red Diamond, that makes a imperial not worth it to be a magicka user. we, magicka users we can only chose between being an elf, breton or argonian, also, i think imperial sorcs would not be lore breaking, since they seem to have an eye and a finger for sorcery as i said, also, imperials are the only race that we can buy, so i think it would be reasonable if they could fit in many playstyles (without excelling in all and overshadowing them)

khele23eb17_ESO

Bdawwg wrote: »

If you don't want to play with a certain race then don't. Why is it such a big deal to change everything? You want to play as a nord then play as a nord don't start complaining about how it isn't as good as another race YOU chose it no one forced you to. (Just using nord as an example nothing more). Too many whiners.

Actually those are perfectly reasonable complaints. Cosmetic choices should NOT influence your stats. Im not interested in playing a cat race... but apparently I have to or Ill be gimping my character. Its like ZOS deciding to give 8% more spell crit and 6% more magicka to all overweight, balding characters.

Father_X_Zombie

This Imperial mag sorc agrees

Callous2208

Mimeq wrote: »

Bdawwg wrote: »

If you don't want to play with a certain race then don't. Why is it such a big deal to change everything? You want to play as a nord then play as a nord don't start complaining about how it isn't as good as another race YOU chose it no one forced you to. (Just using nord as an example nothing more). Too many whiners.

have you ever heard about a word called "efficiency", what about "worth it"? Well, if you want to play with magicka nord you are being straight up stupid by not taking advantage of the magicka pool that the other races gives, it's not worth it, magicka nord is just not efficient, we all have to pay our bills pve/pvp after all. Also, i know it was just an example, but the nord is really...brute to be a mage, it doesn't fit aesthetically, i don't think people would like to play with a nord sorc and it would be lore breaking, even for RP players i guess...

It's just one passive, Red Diamond, that makes a imperial not worth it to be a magicka user. we, magicka users we can only chose between being an elf, breton or argonian, also, i think imperial sorcs would not be lore breaking, since they seem to have an eye and a finger for sorcery as i said, also, imperials are the only race that we can buy, so i think it would be reasonable if they could fit in many playstyles (without excelling in all and overshadowing them)

Gonna need you to go back to lore class and learn about all the ridiculously op nord mages.
From a gameplay perspective though, yes. Nords don't seem to fit into many min/max metas...if any.

Father_X_Zombie

Callous2208 wrote: »

Mimeq wrote: »

Bdawwg wrote: »

If you don't want to play with a certain race then don't. Why is it such a big deal to change everything? You want to play as a nord then play as a nord don't start complaining about how it isn't as good as another race YOU chose it no one forced you to. (Just using nord as an example nothing more). Too many whiners.

have you ever heard about a word called "efficiency", what about "worth it"? Well, if you want to play with magicka nord you are being straight up stupid by not taking advantage of the magicka pool that the other races gives, it's not worth it, magicka nord is just not efficient, we all have to pay our bills pve/pvp after all. Also, i know it was just an example, but the nord is really...brute to be a mage, it doesn't fit aesthetically, i don't think people would like to play with a nord sorc and it would be lore breaking, even for RP players i guess...

It's just one passive, Red Diamond, that makes a imperial not worth it to be a magicka user. we, magicka users we can only chose between being an elf, breton or argonian, also, i think imperial sorcs would not be lore breaking, since they seem to have an eye and a finger for sorcery as i said, also, imperials are the only race that we can buy, so i think it would be reasonable if they could fit in many playstyles (without excelling in all and overshadowing them)

Gonna need you to go back to lore class and learn about all the ridiculously op nord mages.
From a gameplay perspective though, yes. Nords don't seem to fit into many min/max metas...if any.

Archmage Shalidor

idk

Not with you. I like the imperial passives, however, you want to take the race with the most max stats and increase if by another 36%. From 22% increase to max stats up to 30%.

That is not going to fly. Even if the increase to max stats was spread across all three stats that would weaken the race to where it really isn't ideal for anything except tanking and that's a maybe for tanking.

Actually_Goku

In all seriousness, do any of the new racial changes need to happen? Some of them are just irrelevant - see "Diplomat" - but then some, ie the Khajiit Stam buff just make no sense, being that they are already the best ganking race in the game. All this means, is more ganking. Woo.