Simple Good Race Change Idea

Vaoh

Only takes two steps!

1) Pick your race. Remember. they each come with their own native passive (15% Bow XP gain. 15% Light Armor XP gain, etc).

2) Pick your racial passives. Choose the set of passives that you want for your character. Now you can make a Nord DPS, or a Redguard Healer without gimping your stats!

We can all play as the race we want to and not weaken our builds because of it. Everyone's happy.

Thoughts?

Wollust

Na

Vaoh

Wollust wrote: »

Na

But why?

Birdovic

Suggested exactly that some Time ago, i Hope it Happens.

Van_0S

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Suggested exactly that some Time ago, i Hope it Happends.

same here!

xblackroxe

Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

Birdovic

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

If you Talk about RP'ing, then this wont affect you in any negative way.

Vaoh

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

I thought of this too! I myself am big on lore.

With that said, having every Magicka Sorcerer as an Altmer and sometimes Breton gets old really fast. At end game you need optimal gear AND race. It makes a big difference.

You wanna be a Nord with Nord passives? That's great. Go ahead and pick it

I know that I dislike choosing races I normally wouldn't because I can get massive buffs from doing it.

****This idea will not affect those who want it to be lore-friendly. Just choose your race's passives....hence, everyone is should be happy!

xblackroxe

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

I thought of this too! I myself am big on lore.

With that said, having every Magicka Sorcerer as an Altmer and sometimes Breton gets old really fast. At end game you need optimal gear AND race. It makes a big difference.

You wanna be a Nord with Nord passives? That's great. Go ahead and pick it

I know that I dislike choosing races I normally wouldn't because I can get massive buffs from doing it.

****This idea will not affect those who want it to be lore-friendly. Just choose your race's passives....hence, everyone is should be happy!

well I don't care for lore I just brought it up as a point. I want to see if some ody has the right passives or not and that can only be done by fixed passives per race. Also race boni aren't massive I already had a long discussion about that so I'm not gonna start a new one again.

Vaoh

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

I thought of this too! I myself am big on lore.

With that said, having every Magicka Sorcerer as an Altmer and sometimes Breton gets old really fast. At end game you need optimal gear AND race. It makes a big difference.

You wanna be a Nord with Nord passives? That's great. Go ahead and pick it

I know that I dislike choosing races I normally wouldn't because I can get massive buffs from doing it.

****This idea will not affect those who want it to be lore-friendly. Just choose your race's passives....hence, everyone is should be happy!

well I don't care for lore I just brought it up as a point. I want to see if some ody has the right passives or not and that can only be done by fixed passives per race. Also race boni aren't massive I already had a long discussion about that so I'm not gonna start a new one again.

Sure they aren't.... sure. I just hope you understand how important racial passives truly are in the hardest content.

Because they are.

xblackroxe

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

I thought of this too! I myself am big on lore.

With that said, having every Magicka Sorcerer as an Altmer and sometimes Breton gets old really fast. At end game you need optimal gear AND race. It makes a big difference.

You wanna be a Nord with Nord passives? That's great. Go ahead and pick it

I know that I dislike choosing races I normally wouldn't because I can get massive buffs from doing it.

****This idea will not affect those who want it to be lore-friendly. Just choose your race's passives....hence, everyone is should be happy!

well I don't care for lore I just brought it up as a point. I want to see if some ody has the right passives or not and that can only be done by fixed passives per race. Also race boni aren't massive I already had a long discussion about that so I'm not gonna start a new one again.

Sure they aren't.... sure. I just hope you understand how important racial passives truly are in the hardest content.

Because they are.

Please. Why are all of you repeating this like a mantra. Thats total bs. Racials are added boni that further advance your dps nothing else. If you can't clear vSO or vMOL with argonians or nords then you won't do that with dunmers, altmers, khajiits, and reguards either. Simple as that. A bad palyer will still be bad with perfect race and a good player will still be good with a bad race so pls.

GreenSoup2HoT

I like this idea. Nords can be sneaky, Orc's can be too. Woodelfs can be tanky with passives you choose.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

How about I enlighten you....

Say your a Nord without a Frost Resistance, Cleary then you were not born in Skyrim, easily explainable.

Say your Nord has the "Gift of Magnus" ability which gives them +10% magicka, This would merely indicate your Nords father was a High Elf (Children always take the mothers race) or probably born and raised in Summerset

If your Nord is resistant to Fire then perhaps that is because they have a Dunmer Parent or were raised in Morrowind.

What's not Lorefriendly is we cant have a character whose parents are of different races or the fact that if we play a certain race then we must of come from that races native land, It seems we cant have a Redguard from Valenwood now can we, fact is that many of those resistances save a few are probably down to being raised in a certain area.

psychotic13

I guess it wouldn't be a problem if you can choose the 'set' of passives, if you could choose individual passives it would be to OP.

But then half of them wouldn't ever get picked?

susmitds

It would not make any sense for Argonians to be better Mages than Altmers, Dunmers to be better at Swordsmanship than Redguards or Nords to be more beastly and agile than Khajiits.

Birdovic

susmitds wrote: »

It would not make any sense for Argonians to be better Mages than Altmers, Dunmers to be better at Swordsmanship than Redguards or Nords to be more beastly and agile than Khajiits.

At least Female Argonians are great with Magicka, it makes sense.

Reevster

Race change is a bad idea anyways, there are going to be a lot of unhappy players when they do this stupid move.

All these people calling for race change are going to be in for a rude awakening.

xblackroxe

Reevster wrote: »

Race change is a bad idea anyways, there are going to be a lot of unhappy players when they do this stupid move.

All these people calling for race change are going to be in for a rude awakening.

May I ask why you think that is? Why will people be unhappy when everybody is alliwed to change race?

Vaoh

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

I thought of this too! I myself am big on lore.

With that said, having every Magicka Sorcerer as an Altmer and sometimes Breton gets old really fast. At end game you need optimal gear AND race. It makes a big difference.

You wanna be a Nord with Nord passives? That's great. Go ahead and pick it

I know that I dislike choosing races I normally wouldn't because I can get massive buffs from doing it.

****This idea will not affect those who want it to be lore-friendly. Just choose your race's passives....hence, everyone is should be happy!

well I don't care for lore I just brought it up as a point. I want to see if some ody has the right passives or not and that can only be done by fixed passives per race. Also race boni aren't massive I already had a long discussion about that so I'm not gonna start a new one again.

Sure they aren't.... sure. I just hope you understand how important racial passives truly are in the hardest content.

Because they are.

Please. Why are all of you repeating this like a mantra. Thats total bs. Racials are added boni that further advance your dps nothing else. If you can't clear vSO or vMOL with argonians or nords then you won't do that with dunmers, altmers, khajiits, and reguards either. Simple as that. A bad palyer will still be bad with perfect race and a good player will still be good with a bad race so pls.

Sure, you can technically still complete the toughest content without the "best" race for your class spec. But that's totally pointless.

Here's why:

I defeated Ra Kotu with a low damage, higher sustain character at 300(ish)CP. The fight lasted over 20min. Had I waited many months later, I would have had much better gear, and completed it at 501CP. This would've been far easier and probably taken half the time.

I used to complete Vet Maelstrom in like 110 minutes as well with my lower CP, weaker build. Now, I do it on that same character in about 60 minutes.

Every little change counts. When you need to maximize DPS, it is far more important to go full out damage, and racial passives must further bolst you DPS and more importantly be your main source of sustain.

If you are a Stamina Templar DPS, you should be using a Redguard as the very best race. A few other races can work too. Coming in with an Altmer though would take away all of your innate racial sustain and extra damage.

Trust me. Maybe you haven't gotten far enough to where it matters, but it does.

EDIT: Another way to put it:
An optimal race versus a race that does not benefit your max DPS character at all, is the difference between Blue V16 gear/weapons/enchants and Gold V16 gear/weapons/enchants.

You can still do it, but it's much tougher, more time-consuming, and totally pointless to lose out.

Lenikus

Yea... Let's have Khajiits with the fire resistance from the dunmer and let's have imperials with max hp, magicka regen and poison resistance.

....dude, they are not 'skill line's they are Racial Like asking to give DKs the Cloak ability

xblackroxe

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

I thought of this too! I myself am big on lore.

With that said, having every Magicka Sorcerer as an Altmer and sometimes Breton gets old really fast. At end game you need optimal gear AND race. It makes a big difference.

You wanna be a Nord with Nord passives? That's great. Go ahead and pick it

I know that I dislike choosing races I normally wouldn't because I can get massive buffs from doing it.

****This idea will not affect those who want it to be lore-friendly. Just choose your race's passives....hence, everyone is should be happy!

well I don't care for lore I just brought it up as a point. I want to see if some ody has the right passives or not and that can only be done by fixed passives per race. Also race boni aren't massive I already had a long discussion about that so I'm not gonna start a new one again.

Sure they aren't.... sure. I just hope you understand how important racial passives truly are in the hardest content.

Because they are.

Please. Why are all of you repeating this like a mantra. Thats total bs. Racials are added boni that further advance your dps nothing else. If you can't clear vSO or vMOL with argonians or nords then you won't do that with dunmers, altmers, khajiits, and reguards either. Simple as that. A bad palyer will still be bad with perfect race and a good player will still be good with a bad race so pls.

Sure, you can technically still complete the toughest content without the "best" race for your class spec. But that's totally pointless.

Here's why:

I defeated Ra Kotu with a low damage, higher sustain character at 300(ish)CP. The fight lasted over 20min. Had I waited many months later, I would have had much better gear, and completed it at 501CP. This would've been far easier and probably taken half the time.

I used to complete Vet Maelstrom in like 110 minutes as well with my lower CP, weaker build. Now, I do it on that same character in about 60 minutes.

Every little change counts. When you need to maximize DPS, it is far more important to go full out damage, and racial passives must further bolst you DPS and more importantly be your main source of sustain.

If you are a Stamina Templar DPS, you should be using a Redguard as the very best race. A few other races can work too. Coming in with an Altmer though would take away all of your innate racial sustain and extra damage.

Trust me. Maybe you haven't gotten far enough to where it matters, but it does.

EDIT: Another way to put it:
An optimal race versus a race that does not benefit your max DPS character at all, is the difference between Blue V16 gear/weapons/enchants and Gold V16 gear/weapons/enchants.

You can still do it, but it's much tougher, more time-consuming, and totally pointless to lose out.

First of all, look at my signature then tell me again I didn´t get far.
Secondly you tell me Reguard is the best DPS race for Stamplar (I´d say you would also say that for every class with a stam build). Good job you just told bs because Khajiit is superior.

After that you tell me that you are better now with more training and CP. That has nothing to do with racials so why do you bring this up?

That edit is total bs. Lets stay on your example a Stamplar. Golden weapons will up you about 300 weapon damage, around 1k stam another ~70 WD from jewelery glyphs and 14% less buff to Mundus which is freaking huge. No race can offset that.

See if you can´t do vma, vmol, vso with a "bad" race, then you won´t do it with a "good" race either.

LASTLY: I´m not saying that races make no difference, but having a perfect race is only required if you want to progressive raid for leaderboards.

Vaoh

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

I thought of this too! I myself am big on lore.

With that said, having every Magicka Sorcerer as an Altmer and sometimes Breton gets old really fast. At end game you need optimal gear AND race. It makes a big difference.

You wanna be a Nord with Nord passives? That's great. Go ahead and pick it

I know that I dislike choosing races I normally wouldn't because I can get massive buffs from doing it.

****This idea will not affect those who want it to be lore-friendly. Just choose your race's passives....hence, everyone is should be happy!

well I don't care for lore I just brought it up as a point. I want to see if some ody has the right passives or not and that can only be done by fixed passives per race. Also race boni aren't massive I already had a long discussion about that so I'm not gonna start a new one again.

Sure they aren't.... sure. I just hope you understand how important racial passives truly are in the hardest content.

Because they are.

Please. Why are all of you repeating this like a mantra. Thats total bs. Racials are added boni that further advance your dps nothing else. If you can't clear vSO or vMOL with argonians or nords then you won't do that with dunmers, altmers, khajiits, and reguards either. Simple as that. A bad palyer will still be bad with perfect race and a good player will still be good with a bad race so pls.

Sure, you can technically still complete the toughest content without the "best" race for your class spec. But that's totally pointless.

Here's why:

I defeated Ra Kotu with a low damage, higher sustain character at 300(ish)CP. The fight lasted over 20min. Had I waited many months later, I would have had much better gear, and completed it at 501CP. This would've been far easier and probably taken half the time.

I used to complete Vet Maelstrom in like 110 minutes as well with my lower CP, weaker build. Now, I do it on that same character in about 60 minutes.

Every little change counts. When you need to maximize DPS, it is far more important to go full out damage, and racial passives must further bolst you DPS and more importantly be your main source of sustain.

If you are a Stamina Templar DPS, you should be using a Redguard as the very best race. A few other races can work too. Coming in with an Altmer though would take away all of your innate racial sustain and extra damage.

Trust me. Maybe you haven't gotten far enough to where it matters, but it does.

EDIT: Another way to put it:
An optimal race versus a race that does not benefit your max DPS character at all, is the difference between Blue V16 gear/weapons/enchants and Gold V16 gear/weapons/enchants.

You can still do it, but it's much tougher, more time-consuming, and totally pointless to lose out.

First of all, look at my signature then tell me again I didn´t get far.
Secondly you tell me Reguard is the best DPS race for Stamplar (I´d say you would also say that for every class with a stam build). Good job you just told bs because Khajiit is superior.

After that you tell me that you are better now with more training and CP. That has nothing to do with racials so why do you bring this up?

That edit is total bs. Lets stay on your example a Stamplar. Golden weapons will up you about 300 weapon damage, around 1k stam another ~70 WD from jewelery glyphs and 14% less buff to Mundus which is freaking huge. No race can offset that.

See if you can´t do vma, vmol, vso with a "bad" race, then you won´t do it with a "good" race either.

LASTLY: I´m not saying that races make no difference, but having a perfect race is only required if you want to progressive raid for leaderboards.

I surf the forums with my phone. Can't see the signatures

And you are getting very worked up about your opinion. In case you forgot to reread, I recommended Redguard but said others can work too. (Obviously Khajiit is one of them, but Redguard gives sustain -_-)

Those examples show you not optimal vs optimal. You dont have to do it optimally, but why not? Lol.

Just let it die. I don't want to argue with you about race change.

A great feature is coming and this was only an idea to bring up that many have liked. Move on plz.

P.S. No, I would not say Redguard is the best race for all Stamina classes. It is really not.....

UltimaJoe777

Picking and mixing races and passives is like saying drop classes from the game. Not gonna happen. Why? Well breaking lore isn't the most accurate way to put it... It's more like the game may as well not have races at all.

xblackroxe

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

I thought of this too! I myself am big on lore.

With that said, having every Magicka Sorcerer as an Altmer and sometimes Breton gets old really fast. At end game you need optimal gear AND race. It makes a big difference.

You wanna be a Nord with Nord passives? That's great. Go ahead and pick it

I know that I dislike choosing races I normally wouldn't because I can get massive buffs from doing it.

****This idea will not affect those who want it to be lore-friendly. Just choose your race's passives....hence, everyone is should be happy!

well I don't care for lore I just brought it up as a point. I want to see if some ody has the right passives or not and that can only be done by fixed passives per race. Also race boni aren't massive I already had a long discussion about that so I'm not gonna start a new one again.

Sure they aren't.... sure. I just hope you understand how important racial passives truly are in the hardest content.

Because they are.

Please. Why are all of you repeating this like a mantra. Thats total bs. Racials are added boni that further advance your dps nothing else. If you can't clear vSO or vMOL with argonians or nords then you won't do that with dunmers, altmers, khajiits, and reguards either. Simple as that. A bad palyer will still be bad with perfect race and a good player will still be good with a bad race so pls.

Sure, you can technically still complete the toughest content without the "best" race for your class spec. But that's totally pointless.

Here's why:

I defeated Ra Kotu with a low damage, higher sustain character at 300(ish)CP. The fight lasted over 20min. Had I waited many months later, I would have had much better gear, and completed it at 501CP. This would've been far easier and probably taken half the time.

I used to complete Vet Maelstrom in like 110 minutes as well with my lower CP, weaker build. Now, I do it on that same character in about 60 minutes.

Every little change counts. When you need to maximize DPS, it is far more important to go full out damage, and racial passives must further bolst you DPS and more importantly be your main source of sustain.

If you are a Stamina Templar DPS, you should be using a Redguard as the very best race. A few other races can work too. Coming in with an Altmer though would take away all of your innate racial sustain and extra damage.

Trust me. Maybe you haven't gotten far enough to where it matters, but it does.

EDIT: Another way to put it:
An optimal race versus a race that does not benefit your max DPS character at all, is the difference between Blue V16 gear/weapons/enchants and Gold V16 gear/weapons/enchants.

You can still do it, but it's much tougher, more time-consuming, and totally pointless to lose out.

First of all, look at my signature then tell me again I didn´t get far.
Secondly you tell me Reguard is the best DPS race for Stamplar (I´d say you would also say that for every class with a stam build). Good job you just told bs because Khajiit is superior.

After that you tell me that you are better now with more training and CP. That has nothing to do with racials so why do you bring this up?

That edit is total bs. Lets stay on your example a Stamplar. Golden weapons will up you about 300 weapon damage, around 1k stam another ~70 WD from jewelery glyphs and 14% less buff to Mundus which is freaking huge. No race can offset that.

See if you can´t do vma, vmol, vso with a "bad" race, then you won´t do it with a "good" race either.

LASTLY: I´m not saying that races make no difference, but having a perfect race is only required if you want to progressive raid for leaderboards.

I surf the forums with my phone. Can't see the signatures

And you are getting very worked up about your opinion. In case you forgot to reread, I recommended Redguard but said others can work too. (Obviously Khajiit is one of them, but Redguard gives sustain -_-)

Those examples show you not optimal vs optimal. You dont have to do it optimally, but why not? Lol.

Just let it die. I don't want to argue with you about race change.

A great feature is coming and this was only an idea to bring up that many have liked. Move on plz.

P.S. No, I would not say Redguard is the best race for all Stamina classes. It is really not.....

You can´t argue and after that say just let it die. Also that comes normally from people that can´t accept anothers opinion so they need to cut a discussion to not change that.

Your examples are invalid in a discussion about races because they bring nothing relevant to the disussion of races.

You nothing to the table to advance your target. Actually you just stated something without any proof and disregard anything that I say. Please test before just repeating stuff you heard somewhere without actually searching for proof of that.

Vaoh

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

I thought of this too! I myself am big on lore.

With that said, having every Magicka Sorcerer as an Altmer and sometimes Breton gets old really fast. At end game you need optimal gear AND race. It makes a big difference.

You wanna be a Nord with Nord passives? That's great. Go ahead and pick it

I know that I dislike choosing races I normally wouldn't because I can get massive buffs from doing it.

****This idea will not affect those who want it to be lore-friendly. Just choose your race's passives....hence, everyone is should be happy!

well I don't care for lore I just brought it up as a point. I want to see if some ody has the right passives or not and that can only be done by fixed passives per race. Also race boni aren't massive I already had a long discussion about that so I'm not gonna start a new one again.

Sure they aren't.... sure. I just hope you understand how important racial passives truly are in the hardest content.

Because they are.

Please. Why are all of you repeating this like a mantra. Thats total bs. Racials are added boni that further advance your dps nothing else. If you can't clear vSO or vMOL with argonians or nords then you won't do that with dunmers, altmers, khajiits, and reguards either. Simple as that. A bad palyer will still be bad with perfect race and a good player will still be good with a bad race so pls.

Sure, you can technically still complete the toughest content without the "best" race for your class spec. But that's totally pointless.

Here's why:

I defeated Ra Kotu with a low damage, higher sustain character at 300(ish)CP. The fight lasted over 20min. Had I waited many months later, I would have had much better gear, and completed it at 501CP. This would've been far easier and probably taken half the time.

I used to complete Vet Maelstrom in like 110 minutes as well with my lower CP, weaker build. Now, I do it on that same character in about 60 minutes.

Every little change counts. When you need to maximize DPS, it is far more important to go full out damage, and racial passives must further bolst you DPS and more importantly be your main source of sustain.

If you are a Stamina Templar DPS, you should be using a Redguard as the very best race. A few other races can work too. Coming in with an Altmer though would take away all of your innate racial sustain and extra damage.

Trust me. Maybe you haven't gotten far enough to where it matters, but it does.

EDIT: Another way to put it:
An optimal race versus a race that does not benefit your max DPS character at all, is the difference between Blue V16 gear/weapons/enchants and Gold V16 gear/weapons/enchants.

You can still do it, but it's much tougher, more time-consuming, and totally pointless to lose out.

First of all, look at my signature then tell me again I didn´t get far.
Secondly you tell me Reguard is the best DPS race for Stamplar (I´d say you would also say that for every class with a stam build). Good job you just told bs because Khajiit is superior.

After that you tell me that you are better now with more training and CP. That has nothing to do with racials so why do you bring this up?

That edit is total bs. Lets stay on your example a Stamplar. Golden weapons will up you about 300 weapon damage, around 1k stam another ~70 WD from jewelery glyphs and 14% less buff to Mundus which is freaking huge. No race can offset that.

See if you can´t do vma, vmol, vso with a "bad" race, then you won´t do it with a "good" race either.

LASTLY: I´m not saying that races make no difference, but having a perfect race is only required if you want to progressive raid for leaderboards.

I surf the forums with my phone. Can't see the signatures

And you are getting very worked up about your opinion. In case you forgot to reread, I recommended Redguard but said others can work too. (Obviously Khajiit is one of them, but Redguard gives sustain -_-)

Those examples show you not optimal vs optimal. You dont have to do it optimally, but why not? Lol.

Just let it die. I don't want to argue with you about race change.

A great feature is coming and this was only an idea to bring up that many have liked. Move on plz.

P.S. No, I would not say Redguard is the best race for all Stamina classes. It is really not.....

You can´t argue and after that say just let it die. Also that comes normally from people that can´t accept anothers opinion so they need to cut a discussion to not change that.

Your examples are invalid in a discussion about races because they bring nothing relevant to the disussion of races.

You nothing to the table to advance your target. Actually you just stated something without any proof and disregard anything that I say. Please test before just repeating stuff you heard somewhere without actually searching for proof of that.

Omg.... arguing about how much race matters, when we have already agreed it does matter, is a pointless discussion dude.

I'm not going to pull out a calculator and math out everything to prove the point that a Altmer has more synergy than a Nord on a Magicka Sorc DPS -_- That's common knowledge. We BOTH know this.

So, like any mature person, let this die and continue on with your life. Arguing on the forums about something we already agreed on is sad. We are wasting each other's time and you want to continue arguing about how correct you are and how unless pinpoint numbers are used you can't take anything from another's example.

Again, leave it.

Were not even arguing about if race matters or not, just the extent to which it does.

xblackroxe

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

I thought of this too! I myself am big on lore.

With that said, having every Magicka Sorcerer as an Altmer and sometimes Breton gets old really fast. At end game you need optimal gear AND race. It makes a big difference.

You wanna be a Nord with Nord passives? That's great. Go ahead and pick it

I know that I dislike choosing races I normally wouldn't because I can get massive buffs from doing it.

****This idea will not affect those who want it to be lore-friendly. Just choose your race's passives....hence, everyone is should be happy!

well I don't care for lore I just brought it up as a point. I want to see if some ody has the right passives or not and that can only be done by fixed passives per race. Also race boni aren't massive I already had a long discussion about that so I'm not gonna start a new one again.

Sure they aren't.... sure. I just hope you understand how important racial passives truly are in the hardest content.

Because they are.

Please. Why are all of you repeating this like a mantra. Thats total bs. Racials are added boni that further advance your dps nothing else. If you can't clear vSO or vMOL with argonians or nords then you won't do that with dunmers, altmers, khajiits, and reguards either. Simple as that. A bad palyer will still be bad with perfect race and a good player will still be good with a bad race so pls.

Sure, you can technically still complete the toughest content without the "best" race for your class spec. But that's totally pointless.

Here's why:

I defeated Ra Kotu with a low damage, higher sustain character at 300(ish)CP. The fight lasted over 20min. Had I waited many months later, I would have had much better gear, and completed it at 501CP. This would've been far easier and probably taken half the time.

I used to complete Vet Maelstrom in like 110 minutes as well with my lower CP, weaker build. Now, I do it on that same character in about 60 minutes.

Every little change counts. When you need to maximize DPS, it is far more important to go full out damage, and racial passives must further bolst you DPS and more importantly be your main source of sustain.

If you are a Stamina Templar DPS, you should be using a Redguard as the very best race. A few other races can work too. Coming in with an Altmer though would take away all of your innate racial sustain and extra damage.

Trust me. Maybe you haven't gotten far enough to where it matters, but it does.

EDIT: Another way to put it:
An optimal race versus a race that does not benefit your max DPS character at all, is the difference between Blue V16 gear/weapons/enchants and Gold V16 gear/weapons/enchants.

You can still do it, but it's much tougher, more time-consuming, and totally pointless to lose out.

First of all, look at my signature then tell me again I didn´t get far.
Secondly you tell me Reguard is the best DPS race for Stamplar (I´d say you would also say that for every class with a stam build). Good job you just told bs because Khajiit is superior.

After that you tell me that you are better now with more training and CP. That has nothing to do with racials so why do you bring this up?

That edit is total bs. Lets stay on your example a Stamplar. Golden weapons will up you about 300 weapon damage, around 1k stam another ~70 WD from jewelery glyphs and 14% less buff to Mundus which is freaking huge. No race can offset that.

See if you can´t do vma, vmol, vso with a "bad" race, then you won´t do it with a "good" race either.

LASTLY: I´m not saying that races make no difference, but having a perfect race is only required if you want to progressive raid for leaderboards.

I surf the forums with my phone. Can't see the signatures

And you are getting very worked up about your opinion. In case you forgot to reread, I recommended Redguard but said others can work too. (Obviously Khajiit is one of them, but Redguard gives sustain -_-)

Those examples show you not optimal vs optimal. You dont have to do it optimally, but why not? Lol.

Just let it die. I don't want to argue with you about race change.

A great feature is coming and this was only an idea to bring up that many have liked. Move on plz.

P.S. No, I would not say Redguard is the best race for all Stamina classes. It is really not.....

You can´t argue and after that say just let it die. Also that comes normally from people that can´t accept anothers opinion so they need to cut a discussion to not change that.

Your examples are invalid in a discussion about races because they bring nothing relevant to the disussion of races.

You nothing to the table to advance your target. Actually you just stated something without any proof and disregard anything that I say. Please test before just repeating stuff you heard somewhere without actually searching for proof of that.

Omg.... arguing about how much race matters, when we have already agreed it does matter, is a pointless discussion dude.

I'm not going to pull out a calculator and math out everything to prove the point that a Altmer has more synergy than a Nord on a Magicka Sorc DPS -_- That's common knowledge. We BOTH know this.

So, like any mature person, let this die and continue on with your life. Arguing on the forums about something we already agreed on is sad. We are wasting each other's time and you want to continue arguing about how correct you are and how unless pinpoint numbers are used you can't take anything from another's example.

Again, leave it.

Were not even arguing about if race matters or not, just the extent to which it does.

Where did we ever agree? I only started to argue with you about these to posts:

"I know that I dislike choosing races I normally wouldn't because I can get massive buffs from doing it."

"Sure they aren't.... sure. I just hope you understand how important racial passives truly are in the hardest content.
Because they are. "

Thats what I was commenting on. So we never agreed. Don´t try to change the discussion to your favor by so obviously changing your statements.

Disagreement causes arguments. And people that don´t want to accept the truth try to hide behind attacking the other person. A nice way to show me I´m right. Thanks for that even though you probably won´t accept it.

Love Blackroxe

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Its not lore friendly as each race has its unique boni. So I hope that actually doesn't happen.

I thought of this too! I myself am big on lore.

With that said, having every Magicka Sorcerer as an Altmer and sometimes Breton gets old really fast. At end game you need optimal gear AND race. It makes a big difference.

You wanna be a Nord with Nord passives? That's great. Go ahead and pick it

I know that I dislike choosing races I normally wouldn't because I can get massive buffs from doing it.

****This idea will not affect those who want it to be lore-friendly. Just choose your race's passives....hence, everyone is should be happy!

well I don't care for lore I just brought it up as a point. I want to see if some ody has the right passives or not and that can only be done by fixed passives per race. Also race boni aren't massive I already had a long discussion about that so I'm not gonna start a new one again.

Sure they aren't.... sure. I just hope you understand how important racial passives truly are in the hardest content.

Because they are.

Please. Why are all of you repeating this like a mantra. Thats total bs. Racials are added boni that further advance your dps nothing else. If you can't clear vSO or vMOL with argonians or nords then you won't do that with dunmers, altmers, khajiits, and reguards either. Simple as that. A bad palyer will still be bad with perfect race and a good player will still be good with a bad race so pls.

Sure, you can technically still complete the toughest content without the "best" race for your class spec. But that's totally pointless.

Here's why:

I defeated Ra Kotu with a low damage, higher sustain character at 300(ish)CP. The fight lasted over 20min. Had I waited many months later, I would have had much better gear, and completed it at 501CP. This would've been far easier and probably taken half the time.

I used to complete Vet Maelstrom in like 110 minutes as well with my lower CP, weaker build. Now, I do it on that same character in about 60 minutes.

Every little change counts. When you need to maximize DPS, it is far more important to go full out damage, and racial passives must further bolst you DPS and more importantly be your main source of sustain.

If you are a Stamina Templar DPS, you should be using a Redguard as the very best race. A few other races can work too. Coming in with an Altmer though would take away all of your innate racial sustain and extra damage.

Trust me. Maybe you haven't gotten far enough to where it matters, but it does.

EDIT: Another way to put it:
An optimal race versus a race that does not benefit your max DPS character at all, is the difference between Blue V16 gear/weapons/enchants and Gold V16 gear/weapons/enchants.

You can still do it, but it's much tougher, more time-consuming, and totally pointless to lose out.

First of all, look at my signature then tell me again I didn´t get far.
Secondly you tell me Reguard is the best DPS race for Stamplar (I´d say you would also say that for every class with a stam build). Good job you just told bs because Khajiit is superior.

After that you tell me that you are better now with more training and CP. That has nothing to do with racials so why do you bring this up?

That edit is total bs. Lets stay on your example a Stamplar. Golden weapons will up you about 300 weapon damage, around 1k stam another ~70 WD from jewelery glyphs and 14% less buff to Mundus which is freaking huge. No race can offset that.

See if you can´t do vma, vmol, vso with a "bad" race, then you won´t do it with a "good" race either.

LASTLY: I´m not saying that races make no difference, but having a perfect race is only required if you want to progressive raid for leaderboards.

I surf the forums with my phone. Can't see the signatures

And you are getting very worked up about your opinion. In case you forgot to reread, I recommended Redguard but said others can work too. (Obviously Khajiit is one of them, but Redguard gives sustain -_-)

Those examples show you not optimal vs optimal. You dont have to do it optimally, but why not? Lol.

Just let it die. I don't want to argue with you about race change.

A great feature is coming and this was only an idea to bring up that many have liked. Move on plz.

P.S. No, I would not say Redguard is the best race for all Stamina classes. It is really not.....

You can´t argue and after that say just let it die. Also that comes normally from people that can´t accept anothers opinion so they need to cut a discussion to not change that.

Your examples are invalid in a discussion about races because they bring nothing relevant to the disussion of races.

You nothing to the table to advance your target. Actually you just stated something without any proof and disregard anything that I say. Please test before just repeating stuff you heard somewhere without actually searching for proof of that.

Omg.... arguing about how much race matters, when we have already agreed it does matter, is a pointless discussion dude.

I'm not going to pull out a calculator and math out everything to prove the point that a Altmer has more synergy than a Nord on a Magicka Sorc DPS -_- That's common knowledge. We BOTH know this.

So, like any mature person, let this die and continue on with your life. Arguing on the forums about something we already agreed on is sad. We are wasting each other's time and you want to continue arguing about how correct you are and how unless pinpoint numbers are used you can't take anything from another's example.

Again, leave it.

Were not even arguing about if race matters or not, just the extent to which it does.

Where did we ever agree? I only started to argue with you about these to posts:

"I know that I dislike choosing races I normally wouldn't because I can get massive buffs from doing it."

"Sure they aren't.... sure. I just hope you understand how important racial passives truly are in the hardest content.
Because they are. "

Thats what I was commenting on. So we never agreed. Don´t try to change the discussion to your favor by so obviously changing your statements.

Disagreement causes arguments. And people that don´t want to accept the truth try to hide behind attacking the other person. A nice way to show me I´m right. Thanks for that even though you probably won´t accept it.

Love Blackroxe

Great! Sounds like you took something from this. If it makes you feel awesome about yourself, then more power to you.

Have a nice day

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Historically, most of the racial traits passives in Single Player ES were small and the games did not have a mechanism where +10 starting skill/attribute became +100 due to stacking passives. They were also combinations of buffs and penalties across 7 attributes not resource pools.
You could in the SP games be good at anything regardless of your starting race, race gave you only a minor starting advantage in few areas, some starting weak points and some fluff ability which was vastly balanced out by actual leveling.

In TESO its kind of backwards, because racials get stronger the higher you level, and in fact you invest points into buffing them further. One could argue that because of the way ESO deals with them they are actually cultural traits that are learned rather than racial passives your born with.