Next update: real stamina sorcerer fix?

Averya_Teira

ZOS, could you PLEASE fix stamina sorcerers next update. The DB "fixes" were too few and didn't actually fix anything.

Suggestions:

- Make pets finally scale with highest stat.
- Make 1 crystal shard morph stamina based, change it to crystal punch or whatever and make it melee if you don't want a stamina ranged attack...

Just those two things would go a great way showing you actually care about the stamina version of sorcerers.

Feel free to add suggestions and comments even if I doubt ZOS devs actually read these forums and the CM gives them feedback...

Feel free to flame me and say sorcerers shouldn't have stamina options as they are SORCERERS.

Random edit for both magicka and stamina sorcs: FIX DESPAWNING PETS PLEASE.

Bfish22090

stam sorcs are in a great spot and currently second as far as stam classes go

Averya_Teira

Bfish22090 wrote: »

stam sorcs are in a great spot and currently second as far as stam classes go

On what planet are stam sorcs better than stam DK,NB and stamplars lol ?

psychotic13

Stam frag will never happen

Nirnrotten

Rofl @Bfish22090
As far as Stam builds go it's Dk, Nb, Templar, and Sorceror bringing up the rear.
DK has the DPS.
NB has the burst and utility.
Templar has the survivability/sustain.
All of which out DPS Stam Sorc.

I would like to see a Stamina DPS Spam ability for Sorcs and a Stamina Execute. In a perfect world Sorcs would also have a reliable heal as well but so far Vigor + Rally gets the job done so no need to get greedy lol

Cronopoly

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

stam sorcs are in a great spot and currently second as far as stam classes go

On what planet are stam sorcs better than stam DK,NB and stamplars lol ?

Exactly^^ Where in the world could it even possibly be imagined. smh.

I hate to say it but I could see @Wrobel having a personal anti-bully vendetta against Fengrush and his in your face not so graceful approach to requesting changes and the end result is No fix for Stam Sorcs screwing the rest of us. I don't applaud his methods, being over 45 years old and knowing exactly how they would be perceived by a "Company" that won't tolerate "perceived bullying behavior" even if it's spot on and correct in the content talked about.

I may be off base and that's ok. Both of those guys obviously have very thick skin and will likely lol at this perception some of us have. but it needed to be said.

Averya_Teira

jwilkins66ub17_ESO wrote: »

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

stam sorcs are in a great spot and currently second as far as stam classes go

On what planet are stam sorcs better than stam DK,NB and stamplars lol ?

Exactly^^ Where in the world could it even possibly be imagined. smh.

I hate to say it but I could see @Wrobel having a personal anti-bully vendetta against Fengrush and his in your face not so graceful approach to requesting changes and the end result is No fix for Stam Sorcs screwing the rest of us. I don't applaud his methods, being over 45 years old and knowing exactly how they would be perceived by a "Company" that won't tolerate "perceived bullying behavior" even if it's spot on and correct in the content talked about.

I may be off base and that's ok. Both of those guys obviously have very thick skin and will likely lol at this perception some of us have. but it needed to be said.

Imho, I really think @Wrobel doesn't play the game with the stuff he sometimes says. Stam sorc crit based tanks? Really? He thinks that'd be an effective and reliable tank? Surely not with the new CD of surge anyway lol...

Refuse2GrowUp

As far as I know, Stam Sorcs are pulling PvE DPS parses just behind Stam DK....just as @Bfish22090 mentioned. I am still dusting mine off, but I have to agree, they are in a great spot; certainly in a much better spot than before.

Bromburak

Bfish22090 wrote: »

stam sorcs are in a great spot and currently second as far as stam classes go

In comparison to what exactly?

Birdovic

If they finally rework Bound Armaments, giving it a active Ability or something along the lines, then yes, Stam Sorc is finally in a good state.

Im more concerned with the Magicka Sorc and the class abilities to be honest.

Hempyre

Stams are pretty decent imo. They could use some more class specific morphs but they aren't bad. Im having fun on mine. Maybe it doesnt play specifically they way you envisioned. Try new stuff.

Egonieser

I'm sad to say but, even with Fengrush's new ultimate DPS build sorcerer it falls flat and way behind my stamblade and stamDK.
It can pull off some nice bursts if you get the procs and timing right but is far too situational and would never work in any prolonged fights under constant pressure. It only works when you got cover, a place to retreat, but out in the open a stamsorc simply does not have the utility to prevent imminate death.

Averya_Teira

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andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

If they finally rework Bound Armaments, giving it a active Ability or something along the lines, then yes, Stam Sorc is finally in a good state.

Im more concerned with the Magicka Sorc and the class abilities to be honest.

That'd actually be fun and goes well with the class with the new pet actives.

argouru

Sorcs definitely get the short end of the stick as far as stam-focused powers go.

I like the idea of pet damage scaling off of spell or weapon damage, whichever is higher. It would give them a use for Stam-sorcs and give them some usability later on in the game as many players abandon them once they hit champion level.

Also, no one I've met in-game or talked to online uses Crystal Blast as Crystal Fragments is far superior. Making CB a stam-focused morph would make sense and give players a reason to want to choose it. It would also make sense aesthetically as you're summoning a physical object to hurl at opponents that shatters on impact, which sounds like something that would do physical harm.

Cronopoly

Stam Sorcs got access to their first worth-a-dam Stamina scalable Ultimate, Dawnbreaker. Shame it was stolen from magicka Sorcs for whome it's pretty well useless damage wise. /tears. I say this in jest as the tears are dry as owning a Magicka Sorc who is on dry dock now. It's just how Ironic it is.

DurzoBlint13

since they are already going the way of Air as physical damage why don't they give us a morph of the Atronach ult to an Air Atronach and have it deal physical damage. That is what the air atros in game already do so it would fit with lore and it seems like it would work perfectly with stam sorc. And yes one of the crystal frag morphs should be air/physical damage too

LiquidSchwartz

every time i see hurricane on my nb i get happy
free kill stamsorcs

RoyJade

DB change for stamsorc was pretty good for nearly all of them (surge is still not really good, as burst build can't use it effectively and his heal don't compete with rally), but they still lack something. Less toogle, more active abilities, and perhaps a stamina cc. I would love a stam version of crystal blast as a weak damage but good close ranged cc, especially for pvp. Pets scaling on stamina should be good too, but pets mechanism should really be revamped.
They don't need a lot, perhaps just a cc, a new dot or a new group utility, but they still need something. Apart from hurricane, a stamsorc still don't feel like a unique class.

khele23eb17_ESO

Stamsorcs are actually in a very good place. High DPS just shy of DKs and great survivability. Probably the best stam class to do vMA with. Id like to see some pve buffs for NBs however. Theyre the ones lagging behind.

leepalmer95

Stam sorc are in a good place.

SanSan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXJ_HAP-2Dw&ab_channel=FENGRUSH
what? i can see this guy killing anything without pets.

redspecter23

I'm not sure how stam sorc is behind on sustain. They quite literally have an ability that takes a resource they don't use much and turns it into stam and it also heals. Sure, it has a 1 sec cast time but I don't think you can actually run out of stam on a sorc in any realistic situation. They also have an ability that gives them a free heal every second and also gives a 20% damage boost. What other stam class can boast 5k+ heals every second just by dps'ing? Oh and both those abilities will give you 2% extra weapon damage just by slotting them.

The-Baconator

Stam sorc is far from bad right now, it could use some slight buffs but nothing too serious.

RoyJade

5K/heal ? That's 4k5 per critted heal in pve, halved to 2k25 in pvp (without cp in rapid regen/blessed). Most of the time that's a 1k5 heal/second, and only if you put enough dots on your target. This heal can help, but in this burst meta it's not enough.
The major brutality buff boost your weapon damage by 20%, not your overall damage. It's more a 6-8% increase in most build. Moreover, DK have the same boost (and they share it to the group, along with the minor buff) and rally give both more heal (more reliable and a burst component) and the same buff. In comparison, surge is still behind rally.

The 2% weapon damage is less than the fighter's guild passive, and the fighter's guild skill are for the most of them better than sorc skill. Dawnbreaker, silver shard, camo hunter and trap beast are or can be really powerful in pvp, when most sorc skill aren't even useful or too situational. And sorc skill cost far more, or take 2-3 slots…

Stamsorc are good in aoe situation but nearly only because of their passive. They are also the king of stamina solo play, as magsorc were before DB. But this game is NOT about solo play only, we can't say "this class is good for solo, so it's fine".

The-Baconator

RoyJade wrote: »

5K/heal ? That's 4k5 per critted heal in pve, halved to 2k25 in pvp (without cp in rapid regen/blessed). Most of the time that's a 1k5 heal/second, and only if you put enough dots on your target. This heal can help, but in this burst meta it's not enough.
The major brutality buff boost your weapon damage by 20%, not your overall damage. It's more a 6-8% increase in most build. Moreover, DK have the same boost (and they share it to the group, along with the minor buff) and rally give both more heal (more reliable and a burst component) and the same buff. In comparison, surge is still behind rally.

The 2% weapon damage is less than the fighter's guild passive, and the fighter's guild skill are for the most of them better than sorc skill. Dawnbreaker, silver shard, camo hunter and trap beast are or can be really powerful in pvp, when most sorc skill aren't even useful or too situational. And sorc skill cost far more, or take 2-3 slots…

Stamsorc are good in aoe situation but nearly only because of their passive. They are also the king of stamina solo play, as magsorc were before DB. But this game is NOT about solo play only, we can't say "this class is good for solo, so it's fine".

I would argue stam sorc is weaker than the 3 other stam classes at traditional 1vX solo play--certainly not bad by any means but weaker when compared to 3 of the best solo play options right now. Also I would always take a stam sorc over any other stam class if I was looking to zerg bust. Right now I would say stam sorc could be the mvp of group play, next to blazing shield\fasallas templar.

byrdmanwes

Averya_Teira wrote: »

jwilkins66ub17_ESO wrote: »

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

stam sorcs are in a great spot and currently second as far as stam classes go

On what planet are stam sorcs better than stam DK,NB and stamplars lol ?

Exactly^^ Where in the world could it even possibly be imagined. smh.

I hate to say it but I could see @Wrobel having a personal anti-bully vendetta against Fengrush and his in your face not so graceful approach to requesting changes and the end result is No fix for Stam Sorcs screwing the rest of us. I don't applaud his methods, being over 45 years old and knowing exactly how they would be perceived by a "Company" that won't tolerate "perceived bullying behavior" even if it's spot on and correct in the content talked about.

I may be off base and that's ok. Both of those guys obviously have very thick skin and will likely lol at this perception some of us have. but it needed to be said.

Imho, I really think @Wrobel doesn't play the game with the stuff he sometimes says. Stam sorc crit based tanks? Really? He thinks that'd be an effective and reliable tank? Surely not with the new CD of surge anyway lol...

Actually I have a stamina sorc tank. It is viable. I do vet wgt and icp without a healer on a regular basis even before db update. With the db update the sustainability is ridiculously fun.

dsalter

i feel hurricane should last alittle longer, by the time you get to stage 3 your close to needing a refresh anyways, and surge heals need to be doubled for them to be reliable enough for sustain.

possibly give bound armaments a passive 5% healing intake on top of current bonuses? or reduce magicka costs by 10%, because i actually like it's a toggle but it's not doing enough to be vital for stam especially since it takes up a slot on 2/3 bars.

the weapon damage passive needs to be increased alittle since fighters guild surpasses it.

pets need to have more hp and scale with stam+weapon damage as well.

Dark Deal needs to be a 0.5 cast to be worth it, or double the returns to be worth risking your neck.

Averya_Teira

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byrdmanwes wrote: »

Averya_Teira wrote: »

jwilkins66ub17_ESO wrote: »

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

stam sorcs are in a great spot and currently second as far as stam classes go

On what planet are stam sorcs better than stam DK,NB and stamplars lol ?

Exactly^^ Where in the world could it even possibly be imagined. smh.

I hate to say it but I could see @Wrobel having a personal anti-bully vendetta against Fengrush and his in your face not so graceful approach to requesting changes and the end result is No fix for Stam Sorcs screwing the rest of us. I don't applaud his methods, being over 45 years old and knowing exactly how they would be perceived by a "Company" that won't tolerate "perceived bullying behavior" even if it's spot on and correct in the content talked about.

I may be off base and that's ok. Both of those guys obviously have very thick skin and will likely lol at this perception some of us have. but it needed to be said.

Imho, I really think @Wrobel doesn't play the game with the stuff he sometimes says. Stam sorc crit based tanks? Really? He thinks that'd be an effective and reliable tank? Surely not with the new CD of surge anyway lol...

Actually I have a stamina sorc tank. It is viable. I do vet wgt and icp without a healer on a regular basis even before db update. With the db update the sustainability is ridiculously fun.

Really ? Do you have a guide or tips/gear skill setup ? I'd be curious to check it out.

leepalmer95

dsalter wrote: »

i feel hurricane should last alittle longer, by the time you get to stage 3 your close to needing a refresh anyways, and surge heals need to be doubled for them to be reliable enough for sustain.

possibly give bound armaments a passive 5% healing intake on top of current bonuses? or reduce magicka costs by 10%, because i actually like it's a toggle but it's not doing enough to be vital for stam especially since it takes up a slot on 2/3 bars.

the weapon damage passive needs to be increased alittle since fighters guild surpasses it.

pets need to have more hp and scale with stam+weapon damage as well.

Dark Deal needs to be a 0.5 cast to be worth it, or double the returns to be worth risking your neck.

Dark deal is strong enough.

Your looking at the fighter guild and sorc passive the wrong way, yes the FG is is better slightly but realisticly how many FG skills are you going to use, your sorc skills provide utility as well as a passive dmg bonus. Plus you get a flat 5% physical dmg anyway. Sorc have the best flat dmg passives.

Ajaxduo

I have found that stamina sorc is pulling reall nice numbers now with the addition of Hurricane, maybe a couple more tweaks could be nice but it's not really needed imo. Also I'm running a stamina sorc tank atm also, very fun! Working on a build guide

DannyLV702

Stamina sorcs are in a bad spot LOL

http://youtu.be/eyvKki_laSE