Is my set up okay for VSMA

razzle1184kicks

Hi all

Aplogies if this isnt the right section.

I’m coming close to re attempting VSMA and after attempting it a while ago and deciding that i need to look at my character and re build him better, due to feeling i wasn’t out putting enough damage. I was wondering if there’s a good baseline to say to attempt at.

I've watched and read alot about putting all weapon damage on jewellery and that but then my stam recovery drops a hell of a lot (but correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m assuming a good potion will make that no concern)

My character is:

An Orc templer - I know, not the easiest for VSMA , but it was my first character and no thought went in to when i first joined ESO, but its my main focus as this is my questing and achievement character (i have mag nightblad lvl50 and Mag DK)

Stats
Health - 20K
stam - 31K
Stam recovery - 780ish
weapon damage 2h - 4200/300 ish and buffed i can get 4714 without the use of any potions
crit - 57k -ish

phys res - 11k
spell res - 13K

Back bar i have a leki bow

weapon damage bow - 4200k
Crit - 62k ish

I have my att in 18 in health and 46 in stam

Equipment
monster helmet - molag kena ( I have blood spawn as well)
leki maul + shoulders
gladiator - 5 piece set (looking at switch to hundings rage, have mats just not got round to doing it yet)
all robust agility set

All glyphs apart from on my leki bow are gold and all stam and weapon damage
All equipment apart from two are purple (will be upgrading to gold before i attempt VSMA again, and my stats will change above as expected once ive done that)

362 CP, i believe they are set in the correct places for my build but any help on the best place to put them would be great.

So my questions are -
Should i wait and push 400+ CP if not 501
Are my stats on par to being able to beat it or....?

I have thought about going mag temp, but as i have invested so much in my stam temp i didn’t want to wipe him to mag just yet, at least wanted to say i tired haha.

Any help would be great and any info on your stats for a similar build would be great, i understand what each round will bring and won’t have a problem with knowing what to hit first etc...


FYI - i just cant seem to find a post on stats of players characters to see what the norm or bare min is, also ive yet to attempt VSMA on this build as its been in the works.

Edit -
Change title as it was a little miss leading.

So the weekend just passed I spent 2hrs in and out attempting it and made it to the 2nd round, I think it took Me so long as I've never just not used vigor.

So I was running vigor on my back bar, and main using repentance and rally, given on the boss that repentance on round 2 would not be of any use.

To be honest my attempt was mainly for the new step up and I believe my character could make it well up to the last round if not finish it, and i will most like have a hole in my xbox but there are a few changes I will make before attempting again and with the update I think I'm probably best focusing on a few other things first.

So changes I believe will help
-Get at max Cp if not close, I was gaining 5cp per 90mins so I should make those 100+ Cp if that's all I do this weekend.
-make my hundings rage gold and switch out my gladiator set
-make bow gold
-watch a few guides

Hopefully I can get it done before update, if not then correct me if I'm wrong, but I can change my race right? So good bye orc

Are stam builds harder than mag for this end game content? What CP level was your first finish, and has he db dlc made it harder?

s7732425ub17_ESO

As long as you have Vigor, you should be fine.

But if you don't have Vigor, don't even bother to try VMSA on a stam character.

razzle1184kicks

@s7732425ub17_ESO

Yeah i have vigor, got all passives apart from the ones i dont need on aswel.

Bfish22090

why would you ever use gladiator set?
recovery isnt needed on stam templar because of repentance

cp doesnt really matter if youre a good player, ive done vmsa with 0 cps

keep pushing youll be able to get it done with enough practice

razzle1184kicks

@Bfish22090

It was new with db and wanted to see the stats with it, Will more than likely put a hundings rage set on at weekend once i get the set made.

razzle1184kicks

@Bfish22090

was that per DB or after? herd that its been buffed since?

DRXHarbinger

I've done it today on stam using viper, bloodspawn and Kena.
Quite a good set up. The 8k damage tick is much better than a small bit of damage hundings gives.

razzle1184kicks

@DRXHarbinger what's better sorry? Than hundings?

What's your stam and wpn damage?


Thanks

DRXHarbinger

razzle1184kicks wrote: »

@DRXHarbinger what's better sorry? Than hundings?

What's your stam and wpn damage?


Thanks

Vipers sting set from sanctum, same 3 perks as hundings but last bonus is on Meele attack do 8200 poison damage every 4s. And it crit. My weapon damage is 3.9k I'm. A Nightblade so can't get as high as templar, 68% crit and around 34k stam. It's just a far superior set. Only cost me 10k for the 5 major pieces all in devines too. Cheaper than buying 680 leather atm too.

DRXHarbinger

120k not 10k. Phone autocorrected.

Bfish22090

razzle1184kicks wrote: »

@Bfish22090

was that per DB or after? herd that its been buffed since?

twice born star with thief and shadow has always been the best dps set

razzle1184kicks

@Bfish22090

Aha awesome, it's getting a 9trait crafter through...

razzle1184kicks

@DRXHarbinger that sounds wicked, hopefully I can find some on trader

MuddledMuppet

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

razzle1184kicks wrote: »

@DRXHarbinger what's better sorry? Than hundings?

What's your stam and wpn damage?


Thanks

Vipers sting set from sanctum, same 3 perks as hundings but last bonus is on Meele attack do 8200 poison damage every 4s. And it crit. My weapon damage is 3.9k I'm. A Nightblade so can't get as high as templar, 68% crit and around 34k stam. It's just a far superior set. Only cost me 10k for the 5 major pieces all in devines too. Cheaper than buying 680 leather atm too.

Do all stamina abilities proc this, ie caltroos etc, it just weapon abilities, or just la/ha?

Ep1kMalware

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

razzle1184kicks wrote: »

@DRXHarbinger what's better sorry? Than hundings?

What's your stam and wpn damage?


Thanks

Vipers sting set from sanctum, same 3 perks as hundings but last bonus is on Meele attack do 8200 poison damage every 4s. And it crit. My weapon damage is 3.9k I'm. A Nightblade so can't get as high as templar, 68% crit and around 34k stam. It's just a far superior set. Only cost me 10k for the 5 major pieces all in devines too. Cheaper than buying 680 leather atm too.

Do all stamina abilities proc this, ie caltroos etc, it just weapon abilities, or just la/ha?

thats a good question.

MuddledMuppet

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

razzle1184kicks wrote: »

@DRXHarbinger what's better sorry? Than hundings?

What's your stam and wpn damage?


Thanks

Vipers sting set from sanctum, same 3 perks as hundings but last bonus is on Meele attack do 8200 poison damage every 4s. And it crit. My weapon damage is 3.9k I'm. A Nightblade so can't get as high as templar, 68% crit and around 34k stam. It's just a far superior set. Only cost me 10k for the 5 major pieces all in devines too. Cheaper than buying 680 leather atm too.

Do all stamina abilities proc this, ie caltroos etc, it just weapon abilities, or just la/ha?

thats a good question.

Full of good questions me. Unfortunately am empty of answers

Am currently using syvarras scales on my stam sorc we, this could well be better.

DRXHarbinger

No its only your sword / axe based attacks that proc it. Not sure if bow does, but barrage and Caltrops etc do not. But on your weaves you see the tick of 8200+, so you can get a "medium 15k, reverse slice say 23k and that all in a second. Epic set. Whining like a *** to guild mates at the moment to farm vet sanctum. Really want to mix with 5x Viper with 5x Vicious Ophidian and maelstrom dagger and greatsword. Will be a beast set up.

MuddledMuppet

Haha I feel ya, keep trying to get mates to farm vicp with me, I want leeching plate sooooo bad but no-one will do it

Jaronking

It also procs off of biting jabs and surprise attack.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Bfish22090 wrote: »

razzle1184kicks wrote: »

@Bfish22090

was that per DB or after? herd that its been buffed since?

twice born star with thief and shadow has always been the best dps set

That is true in a perfect raid setting, which does not include VMA. If you don't have 4 people on a warhorn rotation, Julianos/hundings will outperform TBS from a DPS standpoint. I still like TBS for the extra stats, but it's not more DPS when you are by yourself.

actosh

5 viceous ophidian (jewelry+armor)
5TBS
Maelstrom Weapon (2handed)
Maelstrom Bow

Like this a lot ^^

Ep1kMalware

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

No its only your sword / axe based attacks that proc it. Not sure if bow does, but barrage and Caltrops etc do not. But on your weaves you see the tick of 8200+, so you can get a "medium 15k, reverse slice say 23k and that all in a second. Epic set. Whining like a *** to guild mates at the moment to farm vet sanctum. Really want to mix with 5x Viper with 5x Vicious Ophidian and maelstrom dagger and greatsword. Will be a beast set up.

Yeah I got 5pc ophidian, I love the hell out of it on my stam templar. I deconned all kinds of viper crap without f=givinf it a second look

DRXHarbinger

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

No its only your sword / axe based attacks that proc it. Not sure if bow does, but barrage and Caltrops etc do not. But on your weaves you see the tick of 8200+, so you can get a "medium 15k, reverse slice say 23k and that all in a second. Epic set. Whining like a *** to guild mates at the moment to farm vet sanctum. Really want to mix with 5x Viper with 5x Vicious Ophidian and maelstrom dagger and greatsword. Will be a beast set up.

Yeah I got 5pc ophidian, I love the hell out of it on my stam templar. I deconned all kinds of viper crap without f=givinf it a second look

So did I. Until a mate raved about it and used it in ICP I though why not go and splash out. Just need Ophidian neck now. I have a v14 one from ages until last week. Thought it was epic when it sold for 30k. Now I know why. Oh well hopefully a gold one drops sometime this year for me.

Ep1kMalware

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

No its only your sword / axe based attacks that proc it. Not sure if bow does, but barrage and Caltrops etc do not. But on your weaves you see the tick of 8200+, so you can get a "medium 15k, reverse slice say 23k and that all in a second. Epic set. Whining like a *** to guild mates at the moment to farm vet sanctum. Really want to mix with 5x Viper with 5x Vicious Ophidian and maelstrom dagger and greatsword. Will be a beast set up.

Yeah I got 5pc ophidian, I love the hell out of it on my stam templar. I deconned all kinds of viper crap without f=givinf it a second look

So did I. Until a mate raved about it and used it in ICP I though why not go and splash out. Just need Ophidian neck now. I have a v14 one from ages until last week. Thought it was epic when it sold for 30k. Now I know why. Oh well hopefully a gold one drops sometime this year for me.

Yeh, I rocked vr14 vo for ages, was ji=just so good for sustain. I guess I'll check it out, I run scanctu, 3x on 3 days out of the week. I feel so dumb >.<

OrphanHelgen

VSMA? Veteran strommael arena? XD

kylewwefan

Normal Sanctum is also dropping purple Viper, Knightmare and Ophidian pieces. I thaught they were garbage as well only worth a grain solvent.....

Bfish22090

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

razzle1184kicks wrote: »

@Bfish22090

was that per DB or after? herd that its been buffed since?

twice born star with thief and shadow has always been the best dps set

That is true in a perfect raid setting, which does not include VMA. If you don't have 4 people on a warhorn rotation, Julianos/hundings will outperform TBS from a DPS standpoint. I still like TBS for the extra stats, but it's not more DPS when you are by yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3_lzIAEWA8
deltia tested hundings vs tbs
tbs is superior even without war horns

boldscot

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

No its only your sword / axe based attacks that proc it. Not sure if bow does, but barrage and Caltrops etc do not. But on your weaves you see the tick of 8200+, so you can get a "medium 15k, reverse slice say 23k and that all in a second. Epic set. Whining like a *** to guild mates at the moment to farm vet sanctum. Really want to mix with 5x Viper with 5x Vicious Ophidian and maelstrom dagger and greatsword. Will be a beast set up.

Is the vicious Ophidian bound on pickup?

zFib

Bfish22090 wrote: »

why would you ever use gladiator set?
recovery isnt needed on stam templar because of repentance

cp doesnt really matter if youre a good player, ive done vmsa with 0 cps

keep pushing youll be able to get it done with enough practice

lol cp does help a lot. you may have done it with 0 cause u have a lot of experience but it reduces ur damage by like 30%, increases ur damage by 43% and reduces cost of spells by like 15% and increases recovery by like 10%. how would that not matter??

razzle1184kicks

Update of my progress.


I only got around 2hrs of play for vmsa tonight, I've managed to get all equipment gold and now sitting at 370 CP.

Had to change a few skills so that thew me off a little.

Set is the same still apart from vigor is on back bar and to be honest I doubt Il need it, my dps is now when rallied 4890, 5000 if not just over mark once I switch to hundings rage.

So I made it to round two, it's hard... but do able, I think the last 10 mins before jumping off I was able to get a little further and was making progress.

But I believe that I'm going to need those extra CP, also with the cap raise I think Il be spending the next week or so leveling and until I get 450+ and as long as the level remains the same, I will then attempt it again.

Should this be easy as an orc templar?

Will keep updating as I continue to try

Reykice

As a stam sorc on my 1st try in about 3h i was on the last round... then spent like 3h on it due to low dps, i`ve seen the vids of people doing it, i was much slower on the crystals. But i did it... the self heals are nice with bloodthirst and crit surge but i wouldn`t have made it without vigor in some stages.

Lost track of how many times i died but it was a lot. :-) I would recommend a ranged magicka build, didn`t try it but i`m like 90% sure my magicka sorc or magicka nb will do it easier as you don`t have to be in melee range to do full dps.