Best melee race(magicka) for Templar!

Van_0S

I have a bosmer magplar and she does fine in PvP and PvE as melee fighter,
but with the race change coming to crown store. I would like to know the best melee magplar race for PvP and PvE and explain, why?

Note: imperial is ditch out because I don't like that race at all.
This is not a troll thread!

CherryCake

"Note: imperial is ditch out because I don't like that race at all. "

Heavy breathing.

Van_0S

Bosmer

@EstelioVeleth
No offence but this is not a troll thread!
I want to know among these 4 races that I have observed are better suited as a melee magplar fighter.

So, I really would like to know which among them will outshine in PvP and PvE.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Bosmer

Bosmer best looking race
On a more serious note I'd wait to see what skills / passives get changed with that patch before deciding.

Destruent

Dunmer

Dunmer is best for DPS on a templar and provides slightly more DPS than an altmer. Sustain is worse, but in organized raids this is def. not a problem. For best Sustain on a magickabuild go breton.
This is for PvE, i think for PvP those races are even closer bc all of them offer usefull passives

Van_0S

Bosmer

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Bosmer best looking race

True! Bosmer chicks are hot

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

On a more serious note I'd wait to see what skills / passives get changed with that patch before deciding.

I don't thing that will happen but if it does then I am for it.

Van_0S

Bosmer

Destruent wrote: »

Dunmer is best for DPS on a templar and provides slightly more DPS than an altmer. Sustain is worse, but in organized raids this is def. not a problem. For best Sustain on a magickabuild go breton.
This is for PvE, i think for PvP those races are even closer bc all of them offer usefull passives

True that's what I thought at first!! but now the templar passive ( burning light) does magic damage not flame damage or am i wrong?

CherryCake

Van_0S wrote: »

@EstelioVeleth
No offence but this is not a troll thread!
I want to know among these 4 race that I have observed are better suited as a melee magplar fihlghter.
So, I really would like to know which among them will outshine in PvP and PvE.

No thread is a troll thread but you can always bring a bit of cat fun to it =D.

But on a serious note, I wouldnt go bosmer on it if you care about min-maxing, they are mostly stamina based, I would personally make either a breton for the extra magicka, or a dunmer vampire because of dual wielding and flame resistance.

phaneub17_ESO

Breton

Van_0S wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Dunmer is best for DPS on a templar and provides slightly more DPS than an altmer. Sustain is worse, but in organized raids this is def. not a problem. For best Sustain on a magickabuild go breton.
This is for PvE, i think for PvP those races are even closer bc all of them offer usefull passives

True that's what I thought at first!! but now the templar passive ( burning light) does magic damage not flame damage or am i wrong?

Sun Fire / Vampire's Bane / Reflective Light is Fire; it's the only fire damage. You will use this spell often for a spell crit bonus, snare, dot, and passive procs.

Destruent

Dunmer

Burning light does magic damage (and it does so since release) but all elemental damage you'll do is flame damage:
vamps bane/reflective light, wall of elements, shooting star and maybe skoria. All those DoTs will get boosted by 7% instead of 4 % on an altmer. The loss of 1% magicka isn't that much of a loss (i could only compare breton templar to darkelf DK with identical gear and the difference is ~50 magicka) compared to 3% more damage to those skills.

Nifty2g

Altmer

dunmer most damage
altmer just behind dunmer by 1% but has 9% regen and templar sustain is terrible

delete bretons

Destruent

Dunmer

Nifty2g wrote: »

delete bretons

My templar is sad now

phaneub17_ESO

Breton

Do you not have enough space for more? I have 3 templars: Imperial magicka tank, breton magicka healer/caster, and a bosmer stamina 2H Sword / Bow. They all have their own roles and purpose.

Van_0S

Bosmer

Nifty2g wrote: »

dunmer most damage
altmer just behind dunmer by 1% but has 9% regen and templar sustain is terrible

delete bretons

I would have agreed with you there but in Altmer passive "the Elemental talent" is more of a staff ability damage(force shock) than a magic damage.

oibam

Argonian.

Van_0S

Bosmer

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Do you not have enough space for more? I have 3 templars: Imperial magicka tank, breton magicka healer/caster, and a bosmer stamina 2H Sword / Bow. They all have their own roles and purpose.

Well, I am lazy/busy(job) to lvl up a new character but I guess I will try making a new character, when I have time/am less lazy

Van_0S

Bosmer

oibam wrote: »

Argonian.

Nope! Never that race!
No offence argonian lovers but Its the race for getting beaten up by others and ZO$ loves to make that race the weakest of all the races in tamrial!!

Destruent

Dunmer

Van_0S wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

dunmer most damage
altmer just behind dunmer by 1% but has 9% regen and templar sustain is terrible

delete bretons

I would have agreed with you there but in Altmer passive "the Elemental talent" is more of a staff ability damage(force shock) than a magic damage.

There is nothing to disagree, elemental talent is just a weeker version of flame talent for templars. You won't use force pulse on a templar for max-DPS.

Van_0S

Bosmer

Destruent wrote: »

Van_0S wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

dunmer most damage
altmer just behind dunmer by 1% but has 9% regen and templar sustain is terrible

delete bretons

I would have agreed with you there but in Altmer passive "the Elemental talent" is more of a staff ability damage(force shock) than a magic damage.

There is nothing to disagree, elemental talent is just a weeker version of flame talent for templars. You won't use force pulse on a templar for max-DPS.

So, I guess dunmer is the best option for a Melee magplar.

Nifty2g

Altmer

Van_0S wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Van_0S wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

dunmer most damage
altmer just behind dunmer by 1% but has 9% regen and templar sustain is terrible

delete bretons

I would have agreed with you there but in Altmer passive "the Elemental talent" is more of a staff ability damage(force shock) than a magic damage.

There is nothing to disagree, elemental talent is just a weeker version of flame talent for templars. You won't use force pulse on a templar for max-DPS.

So, I guess dunmer is the best option for a Melee magplar.

No, Dunmer is approx 1% stronger, Dragonknights get a lot of amps from fire damage etc making it scale well
Templar sustain is the worst out of all classes, I'd go with High Elf.

(You should be using Wall of Elements on a Templar, and Reflective Light). You don't need a staff to make those work, typically you want to backbar your wall of elements then swap to your swords bar to make the damage higher. The passive is always active.

I don't have a build video but I have an old video of a long fight to see a rotation and why High Elf is really nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPjjggPsnG4

This is with full raid buffs and 5 Moondancer.. and I still get some what low on Magicka, and with the recent increase in Spell Cost, it's pretty bad at some points. I would honestly suggest taking the 9% Regen over the 1% extra damage.




P.S, it comes to about ~1% extra damage not because of comparing the two fire damage passives side by side but because:

Dunmer gets 9% max magicka and 7% fire damage
High Elf gets 9% recovery, 10% max magicka and 4% elemental damage

It boils down to complete RNG at that point and only works on paper which is better, but in practice, take the 9% extra resources over ~1% extra damage

alkodav

Dunmer

Dunmer is the best race ever ^^

Van_0S

Bosmer

@Nifty2g,
Good video and I learnt a lot from it.
I have done MoL( non veteran ) with my bosmer templar and my magicka resources did burn fast even with restoration staff passive( heavy attack regain magicka) and channel focus.

So, Altmer is the best option for Melee Magplar.
Fine, I will test this race now!

Thanks for the info

Ghettokid

Orc

Lightninvash

from the sounds of it you want to make a hybrid. and with that I would say imperial(even though you don't like them for some odd reason haha) due to the stamina and hp resources you get from them. so you can then put all points into magicka and have a decant amount of all 3. then for your bars you can put like a resto/destro staff on one bar and mele wep probably DW on second bar for added dps. And end game you would know where you are lacking and use the enchantments to boost what you lack.

If you pick any of the other magicka based classes like an altmer you get good magicka boost but then you would have to put points into stam hp and magicka and you would stretch thin a bit. highly likely that you wouldn't be able to be competitive end game or in pvp. That is why most people go with either stamina or magicka not a mele magic user. It is possible just harder play style( I know because I am making a stam sorc hybrid).

outsideworld76

Argonian: swim to win

Ep1kMalware

Id say high elf. stam users ate about the ,ax wd where for ,agica classes it's all about max resource.

Duiwel

Bosmer

Bosmer because Argonian wasn't an option.

OP if you diss my Imperial I cannot take your oll serious

On another note it's between Breton & Altmer, Dunmer in a close 3rd.

Depends what your goal is really...

Do you want to be a more tanky survivable templar, more raw dps? Bit of both?

Most people are Altmer Sorcs & Breton templars if that helps.

Attackopsn

Nifty2g wrote: »

dunmer most damage
altmer just behind dunmer by 1% but has 9% regen and templar sustain is terrible

delete bretons

But they are sexy

Van_0S

Bosmer

Duiwel wrote: »

Bosmer because Argonian wasn't an option.

OP if you diss my Imperial I cannot take your oll serious

On another note it's between Breton & Altmer, Dunmer in a close 3rd.

Depends what your goal is really...

Do you want to be a more tanky survivable templar, more raw dps? Bit of both?

Most people are Altmer Sorcs & Breton templars if that helps.

Front line Melee magplars.
A templar that doesn't use destro staff at all.
I have a character that performs well as a Magplar (bosmer) but I want a solution to get more better results.Hence, I this thread.

I don't like imperial is because of their face ( they look "very old" or thugs in my opinion xD) and I know majority will say to be an imperial. Hence, I have to buy the $$imperial edition$$.

Van_0S

Bosmer

Alright, Altmer is the winner here in this thread!

Thanks guys for the information and help!

Animal_Mother

Bosmer

Defensively, I think Bosmer have a slight edge over the rest. Poison resist matters now and we can always stealth easily.