Universal Guild Store a.k.a. Auction House

AlnilamE

Mortam wrote: »

My friends and family are casual players, and never use the guild traders. They say the search sucks and they never find what they want. They play as if it does not exist, vendoring all loot.

I myself have used it in the past, but rarely.

If you are on PC, I really recommend the AwesomeGuildStore addon. That addon should be part of the base-game functionality TBH.

I play Black Desert as well as ESO, and that has a global marketplace. I much prefer our guild traders.

SpazzmanNDQ

I do think there should be a way to at least search which traders are selling the same items it doesn't have to tell the price. If I buy a willpower ring for 30k and a noob has one listed for 15k at one of the remote traders that never get any action I would like to know that. I don't want to have to ride all over the map before I make y decision.

newtinmpls

imnotanother wrote: »

Don't forget the bots that will buy items the second they are posted and list for a higher price.

Clearly I was being way too optimistic..

nimander99

Honestly I've kinda grown accustomed to this way of searching out the best deals. The only bummer about the whole system is the 500 loading screens I have to deal with when shopping Tamriel...

Avalon

leshpar wrote: »

I kinda like the lack of a central AH. It is more immersive.

Hmm, I'm thinking Stockholm here...

Hammy01

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Never

It will never become a thing. Most like it. A small minority do not.

How did you come up with the idea that most like it and a small minority don't? At best we could guess that maybe it is close to 50/50 for or against the current system.... Unless you ofcourse have some magic poling data about this subject (from everyone who is playing and or has played this game).

I and the OP currently dislike the current system... So it is already 2 against the system (us) and 1 for the system (you)!!

Hammy01

Mortam wrote: »

My friends and family are casual players, and never use the guild traders. They say the search sucks and they never find what they want. They play as if it does not exist, vendoring all loot.

I myself have used it in the past, but rarely.

I often wonder how much good loot is just vendored due to people not wanting to use the current guild trader system.

Lord_Eomer

Yea I do not care about selling through guild stores but buying through guild stores is a pain and disaster....

Woeler

No aka No

kargen27

[/quote]
The thing with a global trading post (not auction house) is that there would be many prices for the same thing. You buy it now, not place a bid, or place and order. All the different prices show up for that item, not many separate listings for the same thing. You could list something higher than the lowest price, but no one would buy it. If you wanted to get yours sold you'd list it lower than the current lowest. Prices would go down not up. The average player could sell instantly and get their gold right now. Not waiting for days/weeks/months.

I would say no to auction style listings and make it single items that have multiple prices. People could buy low and relist them for higher but there would be limits to stop this. Like can only list for this many gold lower than the lowest price or this many gold higher than the highest price. And the low/high price doesn't change for a set time period (like a week or something).[/quote]

First problem is rare items are rare for a reason. Not many of them around. Being not many around it is easy for one or two players (with a global trading post) to grab all available and then jack up the price, or just sit on them until the price goes up.

Next problem, it isn't much fun if the game controls prices. Many people like going from guild trader to guild trader looking for a good deal so they can flip it for a quick profit. Restricting price based on the current listed price could cause all types of problems beyond just taking away from a fun (for some) aspect of the game.

For instance let us go back to those one or two people that decide to corner the market of some rare item. They will buy low then if your plan is put in place sit on the rare item for a while. They can then post the item at any high price they want and since anybody buying from them can only under cut them a small bit they will still be able to sell at a really good profit.

Two or three people could also time things so they buy and sell to each other either increasing or decreasing the market value as best benefits them. There are some price manipulations that happen now, but nothing like there could be if we had a global trading post and some of the restrictions suggested.

And again for some the guild traders as we have them now are a fun and vital part of the game they enjoy. Might be a small inconvenience for others looking for something specific but it is worth it for the entertainment it provides for some.

As an aside I two night ago finally got every recipe in the game for my provisioner. It was a pain in the hind section searching down those last few recipes. I mostly searched guild traders while waiting for group finder to place me in a group (whole nother topic) and eventually got the last few I needed. When I told my fellow guild members I did it they were impressed and treated it like a great accomplishment. Felt good to do it. Almost as good as finishing the master fisher accomplishment. Had I been able to just go to one location and get everything I wanted the sense of accomplishment would not have been there. Another aside. There really should be an accomplishment in game for learning every recipe.

Long story short (I know, to late) a global trading house could be a very bad idea and would for certain take away from game play.

Mortam

Hammy01 wrote: »

Mortam wrote: »

My friends and family are casual players, and never use the guild traders. They say the search sucks and they never find what they want. They play as if it does not exist, vendoring all loot.

I myself have used it in the past, but rarely.

I often wonder how much good loot is just vendored due to people not wanting to use the current guild trader system.

As most players of any MMO are casual, I would imagine a massive amount of loot just gets vendored. They don't find it fun to "play the market", and just cash out at the vendor and move on. To them they got some gold, and don't even feel that they lost anything. For them the broker simply does not exist.

dalodir

As a casual, i think id like to see an npc auction house around the world that are not global. They simply charge higher fees for selling an item. That way i do not have to maintain a membership fee or any connection to a guild.

If i need something, as time is limited, I will normally only check the auction houses near to me. I accept i have to pay a premium for not shopping around. I dont think those people with the time should be punished though to make it better for me.

Anhedonie

No, thanks. Prices are already a bit over the top.

mike_de

Let me add my experience with guild shops as a newbie.

Tested some of them try to find what I need. Found absolute NOTHING at all. Not even one item.

Now I think of guild stores as total useless. Never to be used by me again, until I get a central hub aka. auction house, like in every other MMO in existence.

Sorry to break it to you, but that is the opinion of newcomers.

mike_de

imnotanother wrote: »

emily3989 wrote: »

Mortam wrote: »

My friends and family are casual players, and never use the guild traders. They say the search sucks and they never find what they want. They play as if it does not exist, vendoring all loot.

I myself have used it in the past, but rarely.

Never understood this mentality. My guild currently requires 5K in sales per week. If you fall below, you just buy raffle tickets to cover your bad week. Even if I had to pay 5K out of pocket outside of sales I would do it. With my current trade guild I typically sell 20k worth of stuff a week (probably 100 gold if vendored) and I don't play more than an hour a day on average.

It is like this: would you rather run an everyday yard sale and make maybe $100 a week, or open a store, pay $200 rent, and make $1,000 a week?

I feel like the problem stems from these players being anti-social or shy/nervous to meet/talk with players.

I have heard many players stat that they don't want to play with others or join a guild. (Why are they playing an MMO?)

Some of us are playing another Elder Scroll game, silly. I barely accept other players, trying to blend them out.

And I do not want to group with other players in a dungeon, because most of them rush through it like there is no tomorrow. I will take my time, but in these cases I am not able to do so. But the basic interactions, with random solo players is enough for me, helping them bringing down a boss, and after that, no strings attached.

Otherwise in groups, it puts too much stress on me, because I feel too much responsibility helping others, forgetting myself in the process. That is not fun for me at all in the long run. I am not able to stop playing, the time I want to. And so I stop playing the game at all.

But at least, I am able to play the solo part of the game. Maybe you can understand now one of the reasons, of players like myself.

mike_de

Mortam wrote: »

Hammy01 wrote: »

Mortam wrote: »

My friends and family are casual players, and never use the guild traders. They say the search sucks and they never find what they want. They play as if it does not exist, vendoring all loot.

I myself have used it in the past, but rarely.

I often wonder how much good loot is just vendored due to people not wanting to use the current guild trader system.

As most players of any MMO are casual, I would imagine a massive amount of loot just gets vendored. They don't find it fun to "play the market", and just cash out at the vendor and move on. To them they got some gold, and don't even feel that they lost anything. For them the broker simply does not exist.

That the way I do it. Because I am not able to sell anything on the guild shop, I vendor trash things I don't need, or even deconstruct it with my crafter char. I don't experience any "loss", because I am not aware of a gain at all. For me, there is no gain that I can get, without connecting myself to a guild. And that is the last thing, I would do.

So with that, precious things get destroyed. Because a solo or casual players don't mind them at all. That would not happen, if there is an auction house, so that any player can see the gain they could get for their now vendor trashed only items.

helediron

No. The current system is good and fun. I find the stuff i require rather quickly. With some effort, bargains can be found. It also works against monopolies.

ItsGlaive

I've started coming around to the idea. We either need a single more centralised solution, or move all guild traders into the capital cities so they're in one place.

ADarklore

kylewwefan wrote: »

When is this going to become a thing. It sucks so bad looking all over the place to find something or not find what you're looking for. Or then pay too much because no one knows how much something should cost......and my poor guild leader staying up til 6:00am to bid, then not bidding enough....even upwards 4 mil, or then the surprise early Monday maintenance schedule for the PC players.

The devs have said it will NEVER come to ESO... and let's be realistic, it would break RP's "immersion"... after all, there was no internet or electricity in Tamriel, so how is it possible to have a 'Global Auction House'?!? Remember a time in the real world, back before the internet, when you actually had to drive from store to store to find what you wanted?!? Wow... novel concept.

nooblybear

I for one bow down to my new Auction Horse overlord.

AntMan100673

mike_de wrote: »

Let me add my experience with guild shops as a newbie.

Tested some of them try to find what I need. Found absolute NOTHING at all. Not even one item.

Now I think of guild stores as total useless. Never to be used by me again, until I get a central hub aka. auction house, like in every other MMO in existence.

Sorry to break it to you, but that is the opinion of newcomers.

I've seen comments like this in several threads so this is obviously a real problem, can I ask what is it that you and other players are looking for and not being able to find?

My follow up comment would be rather than just binning off guild traders because of this you should join a guild with a trader (start with a smaller one that doesn't require donations) then you can start listing the type of items you couldn't find. This way you make a bit of extra gold and people in the same boat as you will be able to find the items that you couldn't.

Runefang

mike_de wrote: »

Let me add my experience with guild shops as a newbie.

Tested some of them try to find what I need. Found absolute NOTHING at all. Not even one item.

Now I think of guild stores as total useless. Never to be used by me again, until I get a central hub aka. auction house, like in every other MMO in existence.

Sorry to break it to you, but that is the opinion of newcomers.

This is my exact experience. I want to buy some lower level recipes for example but, for obvious reasons, the guild traders are catering almost entirely to the CP160 market. A global market/trader is the obvious solution since I know the recipes I want are for sale at one trader or another but it would take so much leg work to go and find them I might as well push on without them.

Compare this for example to my experience of SWTOR where I was able to buy a top of the line crafted saber every 5-10 levels from the AH. I was able to sell crafting materials on the AH without having to a find a guild as well, I felt part of the global trading community from the first level to max level.

On ESO I feel like I don't exist as part of the whole, its so disconnected. Being on consoles without text chat is part of the problem of course. Maybe it'll be a different experience when I am CP160 but for a first timer will I even bother to make it that far? Probably yes because there are few console MMOs at the moment, but if a new console MMO was released tomorrow I'd 100% jump for it. A backwards thinking community, constant crashing and a lack of absolute basic MMO features is a killer.

wenchmore420b14_ESO

Hammy01 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Never

It will never become a thing. Most like it. A small minority do not.

How did you come up with the idea that most like it and a small minority don't? At best we could guess that maybe it is close to 50/50 for or against the current system.... Unless you ofcourse have some magic poling data about this subject (from everyone who is playing and or has played this game).

I and the OP currently dislike the current system... So it is already 2 against the system (us) and 1 for the system (you)!!

Well, as has been said, this has been a issue of debate since PC launch. As to how many want it or not, check this poll from 2015..30% for, 62% against, so yes majority like the guild system just fine, me included.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154194/do-you-want-an-auction-house

As @ADarklore stated, the issue is closed. Zos has stated as far back as 2014 that no, there will be no auction house, so this whole discussion is moot..

nine9six

Worst "But / Sell" system possible.

Wolfshead

Honest how in the right mind run around to all trader post in this game to look for best price i think majority of player dont do which is shame but add feature where you as player can easy make search to see what all trader have cant be that hard to put in.

If you are at one trader and you can make search to check all trader and then you found the one with best price you still need to get there and buy that item anyway so basically is not a AH for i think many player just want to have search feature put in the game so look for item you need make it easy that is all and honest that is all i really want so all that trader guild can still work as the are now.

Hammy01

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Hammy01 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Never

It will never become a thing. Most like it. A small minority do not.

How did you come up with the idea that most like it and a small minority don't? At best we could guess that maybe it is close to 50/50 for or against the current system.... Unless you ofcourse have some magic poling data about this subject (from everyone who is playing and or has played this game).

I and the OP currently dislike the current system... So it is already 2 against the system (us) and 1 for the system (you)!!

Well, as has been said, this has been a issue of debate since PC launch. As to how many want it or not, check this poll from 2015..30% for, 62% against, so yes majority like the guild system just fine, me included.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154194/do-you-want-an-auction-house

As @ADarklore stated, the issue is closed. Zos has stated as far back as 2014 that no, there will be no auction house, so this whole discussion is moot..

Right... because a we all know that everyone playing the game goes to the forums to vote in polls. The only way we will ever know how the whole player base feels about the current Guild Trader system is to have a poll when you log into the game... so I still stand by my thought that at best we can say it is a 50/50 split until an actual in-game poll is taken. However this will never happen and as you have stated ZOS will probably never give us a global auction house anyways so no need to argue about it .

Hammy!!

cravnbeer

Hopefully never. universal AH are just terrible.

Anhedonie

No. Item prices are already stupidly high.

Grao

kylewwefan wrote: »

When is this going to become a thing. It sucks so bad looking all over the place to find something or not find what you're looking for. Or then pay too much because no one knows how much something should cost......and my poor guild leader staying up til 6:00am to bid, then not bidding enough....even upwards 4 mil, or then the surprise early Monday maintenance schedule for the PC players.

OK, let me tell you this... You don't want a central auction house, at least if you hope to make profit selling things. I played WoW for many, many years and one of the things me an a small group of friends did for fun was completely take over and control the gem's market in the game. We did so by constantly and aggressively undercutting competitors and whenever we felt the price for an item went to low, undercutting it even more heavily, flooding the market, forcing prices down so we could simply buy out everyone else.

That little story to say this, remove store auction houses and the guys that currently lead large trading guilds will band together, and with their considerable gold power in game they will take over the central auction house. They will indeed become the mobster some already assume they are. You don't want that.

I will add though, that yes, the system currently in place for bidding on vendors is very bad, but there are possible solutions for that issue that do not involve the removal of the guild trading system or the implementation of a auction house. For instance, vendors could be sold, half at the current time and half 12 hours later... That shouldn't be terribly hard to code.

More, to those saying it is hard to find things on the current stores, true, the guild store UI is appalling, then again, the UI of this game was never great and thus why the majority of the PC players use some UI mod to make the game 'playable'. Do you think when they have failed so greatly to make a good guild store, that they will succeed in making a good auction house? I doubt it. Instead we'd again be left needing add-ons to make searches possible and palatable.

LadyHeloise

emily3989 wrote: »

I have not talked to one single person in either trading guild in weeks. In fact, I don't even have my chat window open 90% of the time. They do dungeons and trials outside of the trading thing as well, but none of that is a requirement at all to be in the guild and selling stuff.

This is how I play. I am a member of a trading guild but the clue it is in the title - it's for trading. Whilst others do stuff together, I just pay my subs every week and trade. No pressure to do anything else. If you can join a guild like this then you don't have to be sociable but you get the benefits of selling.

leshpar wrote: »

I kinda like the lack of a central AH. It is more immersive.

This is important in my opinion and the main argument against a central AH. We have to suspend disbelief to play this game, but a central AH is a player convenience mechanic too far for an Elder Scrolls game.

AlnilamE wrote: »

If you are on PC, I really recommend the AwesomeGuildStore addon. That addon should be part of the base-game functionality TBH.

This too. Once I had got the addon buying and searching became a whole lot easier, although I know this won't help everyone. But making something like this part of the base game functionality would be great.