Extended Ritual or Ritual Retribution

Chelister

so I'm making poll again)

I can't decide whether which skill is better

1) Ritual Retribution
the advantage of this skill is that it damages opponents in the area of effect, even though the damage is low, it might take invisible enemies out of stealth or cloak

2) Extended Ritual
the positive thing about this skill is that it basically removes 5 harmful effects i.e. in most of the times all of the effects

Now the former is good due to the damage it does, even though it is small, it still adds up
However, the skill's initial use is to remove harmful effects, for which I personally think the latter morph might be better
The thing with ritual retribution is that in the case of having 3 harmful effects, u would have to use the skill 2 times which might be waste of resources given the scare magicka pool (given that I am stamina templar)

so what u thin guys?

NBrookus

Extended Ritual

I think they did a good job making a choice with the morphs. Given the low damage of Retribution, I am going with Extended for now. I miss the utility of Retribution, but I use a debuff tracker, and it's not uncommon to see 5-10 debuffs ticking on you in PvP.

Cinbri

Ritual Retribution

From pvp point of view: templar dps is worst from all classes and any additional sources of damage are welcome, from my damage recount Retribution always on 3rd/4th place of overall damage dealt. 20% increasd hot also strong and always on my 1st/2nd place of overall healing done. Also Retribution have revealing option like caltrops so none nightblade will be able to cloak away from you or pass ritual without being noticed. To negate weak point of having only 2 dispells it is always possible to use advantage of Alliance War Purge while using Retribution as Caltrops, i.e. full offensive option.
Overall I see Retribution for magicka builds, Extended for stamplars who don't need magicka dot and can't afford use of AW Purge.

WillhelmBlack

Extended Ritual

I like being able to purify 5 Jesus Beams at a time.

Malanor

Is it so hard to decide?

For stamplar use the one with extended duration.

For healer/magdps use the one with dmg component, because it benefits from CP, spelldmg and max magicka.

Kattemynte

Honestly, it depends on your playstyle and what role you are doing, for me I choose:
PvE:

• Tank: RoR
• DPS: don't use (solo: either)
• Healer: Extend

PvP:

• Solo: Extended (removes more debuffs)
• Group DPS: RoR
• Group Healer: Extended

The new morphs are both great, one of the very few skills where both are good.

Rickter

Extended Ritual

so the positive about Ritual is that the low damage can rveal people out of stealth.

thats negligent. magelight, detect pots.

Extended has so much more benefit - increases heals, and removes 5 harmful effects - with purge costing so much, youre just better off with extended.

danno8

If I never went into PvP I would use RoR.

But even if you are PvP'n a little, extended 5 purge effect is extremely powerful, whereas the 2000 damage every 2 seconds of RoR does not amount to much at all in PvP (like less than 500 dps).

I just don't see RoR helping to win many fights, whereas Extended...hell yah it does.

timidobserver

Extended for PvP and Retribution for PvE.

Lore_lai

Extended Ritual

For PvP - Extended hands down. The dmg per tick of Retribution is too low to warrant giving up cleansing 5 effects when even one person can put ~10 debuffs on you (and this is without using poisons).

Also - if you are running Retribution and you run into Fasalla then it will be annoying AF. Your skill that's main purpose is to be a defense, will screw you over.

Draqone

Extended Ritual

Extended.

I just like the fact my rune and ritual have the same duration which means a simpler rotation.

Lexxypwns

Extended Ritual

For stamplar, extended hands down.

For magplar, there's a case to be made for both morphs and you really can't make a poor choice. Either you get stealth counter and a bonus aoe dot or you get the best purge in the game. I personally run extended but I'm always jealous when I fight a magplar with retribution. If only all morph choices were so tough

Neoauspex

Ritual Retribution

I switched back to Retribution today after using Extended for the last couple months. I like being able to ping for nightblades and the tooltip for the heal is a bit higher too.

Joy_Division

I use Extended and there are times I still have debuffs after using it.

For strictly PVE, I'd take Retribution.

Reefo

Extended Ritual

You will have real magicka problems if you do not take extended ritual in pvp, more often than not there are more than 2 negative effects on you.

Fight a magdk for example, burning talons already puts 2 on you, if you already had 1 on you like volatile or burning embers or engulfing flames it won't remove the root and you stuck spamming it to clean yourself.

A nightblade will incap surprise attack, you got major defile and fracture on you, if u got feared you snared and have minor maim

2 negative effects are applied way too easily and most cases there's more than 2 on you.

Ritual of retribution won't help u kill a nb just find them, use radiant magelight (anti gank) and soul assault. Besides cloak is buggy I never have good use of it. Just sweep or jab the guy to death

Lexxypwns

Extended Ritual

Reefo wrote: »

You will have real magicka problems if you do not take extended ritual in pvp, more often than not there are more than 2 negative effects on you.

Fight a magdk for example, burning talons already puts 2 on you, if you already had 1 on you like volatile or burning embers or engulfing flames it won't remove the root and you stuck spamming it to clean yourself.

A nightblade will incap surprise attack, you got major defile and fracture on you, if u got feared you snared and have minor maim

2 negative effects are applied way too easily and most cases there's more than 2 on you.

Ritual of retribution won't help u kill a nb just find them, use radiant magelight (anti gank) and soul assault. Besides cloak is buggy I never have good use of it. Just sweep or jab the guy to death

Actually, soul assault won't kill any NB with a brain, NB is the class best suited to counter soul assault...

Reefo

Extended Ritual

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

You will have real magicka problems if you do not take extended ritual in pvp, more often than not there are more than 2 negative effects on you.

Fight a magdk for example, burning talons already puts 2 on you, if you already had 1 on you like volatile or burning embers or engulfing flames it won't remove the root and you stuck spamming it to clean yourself.

A nightblade will incap surprise attack, you got major defile and fracture on you, if u got feared you snared and have minor maim

2 negative effects are applied way too easily and most cases there's more than 2 on you.

Ritual of retribution won't help u kill a nb just find them, use radiant magelight (anti gank) and soul assault. Besides cloak is buggy I never have good use of it. Just sweep or jab the guy to death

Actually, soul assault won't kill any NB with a brain, NB is the class best suited to counter soul assault...

Granted 2 sec and then you can cloak, but I'm not saying just soul assault him at full health lol, my soul assault tooltip on magplar is 85k and I run javelin on front bar, so I send him flying and soul assault while he is in the air and can't block, soul assault ticks twice per sec, and my ticks are massive in those 2 sec, something like 4,5k ticks on pvp players with impen

Zinaroth

Extended Ritual

I use Extended Ritual because most of the time when I get attacked by a player he will initially proc both monsters sets and poisons, this alone can amount to 3-4 debuffs. Then he will obviously start putting all his DoT effects on me. A single cast of Purifying Ritual can remove both poison effects and other annoying effects - decreasing his momentum.

A single cast of Extended Ritual can both remove all negative effects from a NB opening up on you, or all DoTs from any DK who just spend 3-4 global cooldowns building his pressure on you. This alone makes Extended Ritual far better in PvP in my opinion than the other morph.

Keep in mind that a lot of effects or abilities come with side effects when morphed; so a lot of CC puts two negative effects on you, same with snares and the like. The game has a tendency of overloading you with negative effects even when originating from the same source / ability cast.

Extended Ritual will save you a lot of global cooldowns and nullify a lot of incoming damage, which in return allows you to go more offensive; which is performing way higher than any damage Ritual of Retribution would ever give you.

In terms of dragging people out of stealth; sure that is an added bonus - but there are also different means of achieving this in the game in a better way I think. Plus if you use any combat addon and a person walks into your Purifying Ritual area, you will immediately enter combat since it counts as you snaring the other guy, at which point you can use another source of stealth detection; Radiant Mageligt or Detection potions - or simply just prepare for incoming stealth opener damage by buffing up and precasting any healing over time effects.

psychotic13

Ritual Retribution

Ritual, extra DoT for skoria