Stop complaining about sorcerers, get annoying.

xblackroxe

TheHsN wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

attackjet wrote: »

Seriously, they changed two things that make them more balanced, if you say they were not op before patch then you are honestly just used to being op.

And BTW, I duel sorcs all the time, as long as you know how to play they are really good.

All this backlash against the changes just seems like a l2p issue.

So please, stop complaining guys its getting annoying

and u are scared that if they make what was sorc ones that u wont be able to kill them right:)

Well look at last patch as long as a sorc had enough stam to break free there was no dying in 1v1 except you get a lucky burst through.
Sorcs definitely need a change especially PvE wise but reverting the change will just make them unkillable again.

there are many people was killing sorcerer that who knows how to kill and knows how to play with their chracter...i know many killed me in pvp...many couldnt..if u play aganist to all classes same it is possible for you to not kill......and why u are not annoying how overpowerfull now stam dk and stam nb how powerfull poisons for them...i have those too but im not happy with the current balance cuz there isnt any..and it wont be with these meta..
and if u ask how it can be i tell you if u respect my answer:

Tank classes should be tank
Healer classes should be healer
dps classes should be DPS

but now both tank class and healer class makes MORE DPS THAN THE ACTUAL DPS CLASS......

First of all 'dat english' had to read through that text a few times to get it.

Ofc the combo didn't work always but most of the time against non tanky targets. The problem with sorc was that they where more tanky than any other class and still had ridiciulous burst.

PvE wise I totally agree. Sorc need a change there and also in PvP but reverting the change will just make them op again.

Well I didn't bring up the new fotm builds/classes because they don't have place in a sorc discussion.

There is no such thing as tank/healer/dps classes. Every class can do everthing. Dps is good enough on all to complete content with it. Its just for progressive raiding that the is nothing but DK tanks and Templar healers. Dpsing can and should be done with all classes.

Ep1kMalware

They're not balanced, they're broken AF. The class has no viable skills other than some cheesy ones people gripe about. So broken. Then zos nerfed their cheese, leaving them even more broken noe that they got no viable skills and cheese skills that aren't so cheesy.

For the first time ever sorcs have a reasom to complain, the class sucks even harder than it ever did before.

Caligamy_ESO

attackjet wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

*looks around*

You... again?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265336/dear-zos-stop-nerfing-everything/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265994/are-sorcs-too-overpowered/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/269491/so-sorcs-are-you-going-to-learn-to-play-or-just-quit/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/269815/sorcs-are-op/p1

and now we have this one...

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Haha lmao, yeah I hate sorcs.

I dont know what it is, probably the mines....because I am a nightblade.

you are a sorc arnt you

Of course, theres only 4 classes and 8 character slots. It's only natural to play them all, in every possible way.

attackjet

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

They're not balanced, they're broken AF. The class has no viable skills other than some cheesy ones people gripe about. So broken. Then zos nerfed their cheese, leaving them even more broken noe that they got no viable skills and cheese skills that aren't so cheesy.

For the first time ever sorcs have a reasom to complain, the class sucks even harder than it ever did before.

Dude they changed two things.....

Like literally, they changed a 20k shield from 20 seconds to 8 seconds. So know you have to be conscious of your shield.

This thread just shows in general how mmo's work. When balance is implemented, the meta complains and says that another class is overpowered, when in reality, they have just gotten to used to being overpowered and don't know how to beat the other class without having the upperhand. When the classes that were not overpowered agree with the balance, the meta (or once meta) disagrees and believes that they are somehow the victim within all of this.

Its like the pigeons, one is tied down with no food, and the other isn't tied down and is fed. Once you stop feeding the pigeon that isn't tied down, it starts pecking at the one that wasn't fed and tied down.

Its a learn to play issue, and people that have put their pride down and realized they were overpowered and are now balanced and are working with the changes and playing very good, I respect them. But to the ones who simply complain about not being able to 1v7 against multiple DPS and people that know what they are doing, when they can't do that and they seem themselves as the victims, all they are is whiny little spoiled 16 year old girls who got a Mercedes instead of a Porsche.

Thank you,
Jesus.

holosoul

attackjet wrote: »

not being able to 1v7 against multiple DPS and people that know what they are doing

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha
*breathes*
aaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha

holosoul

good thing you had a sorc in your 7 then isn't it?

Ep1kMalware

attackjet wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

They're not balanced, they're broken AF. The class has no viable skills other than some cheesy ones people gripe about. So broken. Then zos nerfed their cheese, leaving them even more broken noe that they got no viable skills and cheese skills that aren't so cheesy.

For the first time ever sorcs have a reasom to complain, the class sucks even harder than it ever did before.

Dude they changed two things.....

Like literally, they changed a 20k shield from 20 seconds to 8 seconds. So know you have to be conscious of your shield.

This thread just shows in general how mmo's work. When balance is implemented, the meta complains and says that another class is overpowered, when in reality, they have just gotten to used to being overpowered and don't know how to beat the other class without having the upperhand. When the classes that were not overpowered agree with the balance, the meta (or once meta) disagrees and believes that they are somehow the victim within all of this.

Its like the pigeons, one is tied down with no food, and the other isn't tied down and is fed. Once you stop feeding the pigeon that isn't tied down, it starts pecking at the one that wasn't fed and tied down.

Its a learn to play issue, and people that have put their pride down and realized they were overpowered and are now balanced and are working with the changes and playing very good, I respect them. But to the ones who simply complain about not being able to 1v7 against multiple DPS and people that know what they are doing, when they can't do that and they seem themselves as the victims, all they are is whiny little spoiled 16 year old girls who got a Mercedes instead of a Porsche.

Thank you,
Jesus.

You missed the point. I hate sorcs. I'm saying they should be complaining because their class sucks in general, mechanically, their skill lines are crap. Most sorcs are so dependent on their cheesy broken abilities they don't know how to fn plat. They, because of that, have a reason to complain. Not because of nerfs but because of their half ass under developed skill lines. But since they can't l2p and spemd more time here complaining out nerfs rather than learning to play I guess its moot.

Lucky28

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

*looks around*

You... again?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265336/dear-zos-stop-nerfing-everything/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265994/are-sorcs-too-overpowered/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/269491/so-sorcs-are-you-going-to-learn-to-play-or-just-quit/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/269815/sorcs-are-op/p1

and now we have this one...

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that explains alot. this *** guy XD

americansteel

RebornV3x wrote: »

Um no I will keep bringing up the issue since were the worst class in the game and it must be great to beat up on sorcs in PVP all day must be easy prey for the gankers bet your loving it OP.

godly DPS
incredible mobility
outrageous defense sorcerer has too much.

Next in line are NBs like sorcerer OP to the max!

we templars and DKs have trash.

Minalan

americansteel wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

Um no I will keep bringing up the issue since were the worst class in the game and it must be great to beat up on sorcs in PVP all day must be easy prey for the gankers bet your loving it OP.

godly DPS
incredible mobility
outrageous defense sorcerer has too much.

Next in line are NBs like sorcerer OP to the max!

we templars and DKs have trash.

Templars and DK's have trash?

Please stop. It hurts/. You have the highest healing and damage in the game between those two classes.

Minalan

attackjet wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

They're not balanced, they're broken AF. The class has no viable skills other than some cheesy ones people gripe about. So broken. Then zos nerfed their cheese, leaving them even more broken noe that they got no viable skills and cheese skills that aren't so cheesy.

For the first time ever sorcs have a reasom to complain, the class sucks even harder than it ever did before.

Dude they changed two things.....

edited out pointless garbage

Are you still posting?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265336/dear-zos-stop-nerfing-everything/p1

Shame. Shame!

MasterSpatula

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

[Edit to remove insulting content]

Ha!! ZOS edited you to remove "insulting content" but left the insulting original post to which you were responding alone. Of course.

WreckfulAbandon

attackjet wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

They're not balanced, they're broken AF. The class has no viable skills other than some cheesy ones people gripe about. So broken. Then zos nerfed their cheese, leaving them even more broken noe that they got no viable skills and cheese skills that aren't so cheesy.

For the first time ever sorcs have a reasom to complain, the class sucks even harder than it ever did before.

Dude they changed two things.....

Like literally, they changed a 20k shield from 20 seconds to 8 seconds. So know you have to be conscious of your shield.

This thread just shows in general how mmo's work. When balance is implemented, the meta complains and says that another class is overpowered, when in reality, they have just gotten to used to being overpowered and don't know how to beat the other class without having the upperhand. When the classes that were not overpowered agree with the balance, the meta (or once meta) disagrees and believes that they are somehow the victim within all of this.

Its like the pigeons, one is tied down with no food, and the other isn't tied down and is fed. Once you stop feeding the pigeon that isn't tied down, it starts pecking at the one that wasn't fed and tied down.

Its a learn to play issue, and people that have put their pride down and realized they were overpowered and are now balanced and are working with the changes and playing very good, I respect them. But to the ones who simply complain about not being able to 1v7 against multiple DPS and people that know what they are doing, when they can't do that and they seem themselves as the victims, all they are is whiny little spoiled 16 year old girls who got a Mercedes instead of a Porsche.

Thank you,
Jesus.

WTB 20k hardened ward

No sorc ever 1v7'd and won if the 7 knew what they were doing. Maybe he got away which is another matter entirely.

And the change to shield duration, coinciding with plenty of buffs to stamina builds, hurt sorcs worse than some will admit.

Let's make shuffle last 6 sec only, after all it's just one small change..

holosoul

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

attackjet wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

They're not balanced, they're broken AF. The class has no viable skills other than some cheesy ones people gripe about. So broken. Then zos nerfed their cheese, leaving them even more broken noe that they got no viable skills and cheese skills that aren't so cheesy.

For the first time ever sorcs have a reasom to complain, the class sucks even harder than it ever did before.

Dude they changed two things.....

Like literally, they changed a 20k shield from 20 seconds to 8 seconds. So know you have to be conscious of your shield.

This thread just shows in general how mmo's work. When balance is implemented, the meta complains and says that another class is overpowered, when in reality, they have just gotten to used to being overpowered and don't know how to beat the other class without having the upperhand. When the classes that were not overpowered agree with the balance, the meta (or once meta) disagrees and believes that they are somehow the victim within all of this.

Its like the pigeons, one is tied down with no food, and the other isn't tied down and is fed. Once you stop feeding the pigeon that isn't tied down, it starts pecking at the one that wasn't fed and tied down.

Its a learn to play issue, and people that have put their pride down and realized they were overpowered and are now balanced and are working with the changes and playing very good, I respect them. But to the ones who simply complain about not being able to 1v7 against multiple DPS and people that know what they are doing, when they can't do that and they seem themselves as the victims, all they are is whiny little spoiled 16 year old girls who got a Mercedes instead of a Porsche.

Thank you,
Jesus.

WTB 20k hardened ward

No sorc ever 1v7'd and won if the 7 knew what they were doing. Maybe he got away which is another matter entirely.

And the change to shield duration, coinciding with plenty of buffs to stamina builds, hurt sorcs worse than some will admit.

Let's make shuffle last 6 sec only, after all it's just one small change..

nah lets leave the cost of vigor at its current value, and reduce its duration to 2 seconds
since you should have to commit to defense if you want to heal

Ep1kMalware

holosoul wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

attackjet wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

They're not balanced, they're broken AF. The class has no viable skills other than some cheesy ones people gripe about. So broken. Then zos nerfed their cheese, leaving them even more broken noe that they got no viable skills and cheese skills that aren't so cheesy.

For the first time ever sorcs have a reasom to complain, the class sucks even harder than it ever did before.

Dude they changed two things.....

Like literally, they changed a 20k shield from 20 seconds to 8 seconds. So know you have to be conscious of your shield.

This thread just shows in general how mmo's work. When balance is implemented, the meta complains and says that another class is overpowered, when in reality, they have just gotten to used to being overpowered and don't know how to beat the other class without having the upperhand. When the classes that were not overpowered agree with the balance, the meta (or once meta) disagrees and believes that they are somehow the victim within all of this.

Its like the pigeons, one is tied down with no food, and the other isn't tied down and is fed. Once you stop feeding the pigeon that isn't tied down, it starts pecking at the one that wasn't fed and tied down.

Its a learn to play issue, and people that have put their pride down and realized they were overpowered and are now balanced and are working with the changes and playing very good, I respect them. But to the ones who simply complain about not being able to 1v7 against multiple DPS and people that know what they are doing, when they can't do that and they seem themselves as the victims, all they are is whiny little spoiled 16 year old girls who got a Mercedes instead of a Porsche.

Thank you,
Jesus.

WTB 20k hardened ward

No sorc ever 1v7'd and won if the 7 knew what they were doing. Maybe he got away which is another matter entirely.

And the change to shield duration, coinciding with plenty of buffs to stamina builds, hurt sorcs worse than some will admit.

Let's make shuffle last 6 sec only, after all it's just one small change..

nah lets leave the cost of vigor at its current value, and reduce its duration to 2 seconds
since you should have to commit to defense if you want to heal

22k health over 2 seconds!??? WHOOOOO

holosoul

nope, tick value stays the same, you just have to cast it 2.5x more often for the exact same result

Ep1kMalware

holosoul wrote: »

nope, tick value stays the same, you just have to cast it 2.5x more often for the exact same result

would be all I need anyway, I'm a stam templar, I repled evil hunter with lingering ritual. fa heals. fat heals..

lDcoyl

Surely a community forum, marked general discussion, is for people to disguss feelings and impressions of character rebalance?
People have to make big changes and some are upset, its only fair they have a chance to talk about it with like minded folk. I say let the sorc players vent and disguss, it only serves to make our community and game better....

TheHsN

americansteel wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

Um no I will keep bringing up the issue since were the worst class in the game and it must be great to beat up on sorcs in PVP all day must be easy prey for the gankers bet your loving it OP.

godly DPS
incredible mobility
outrageous defense sorcerer has too much.

Next in line are NBs like sorcerer OP to the max!

we templars and DKs have trash.

Templar is a healer class and they have best heal AND BEST DPS and DK plss dont say it is trash... TANKY AS GOD and DPSSSSSSS whoaaaaaa they dps likee ALOTTTTT u still are in IC patch ii guess....make update the game:):...

Rikumaru

Magicka sorcs don't have the burst of magicka or stam nb, don't have the survivability of a stam DK (not sure about magicka DK), they don't even have a functional heal and their escape is worse than the current super buggy cloak. If you think this is balance then I have nothing more to say to you. Also for the record I main NB not sorc.

Mayrael

I dont care tbh, i used to a lot but not anymore. I have maxed 4 clasess (including all skill lines) and now i just pick the class that is most fun to me (hate stam classes though and all my toons are mag based) and i advice you all to do the same. Sorcs are not weak, they are homogenised. When i fight them now i simply know what will happend and can prepare before things even happen. Curse, spam/frags, wrath, ult. So all u need to do is put on reflective shield and cleanse curse and... Thats all... Most sorcs use negate or overload in sucha situation both are easy countered. You need just 2 skills to totaly negate sorc burst, as sorc doesnt have any other eficient options of attack that cant be reflected or cleansed... This is the mighty dps of sorc that u all have problems with... LOL. And this is again good example why you should play other classes - simply to understand each class strengths and weakneses.

Molec

xblackroxe wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

attackjet wrote: »

Seriously, they changed two things that make them more balanced, if you say they were not op before patch then you are honestly just used to being op.

And BTW, I duel sorcs all the time, as long as you know how to play they are really good.

All this backlash against the changes just seems like a l2p issue.

So please, stop complaining guys its getting annoying

and u are scared that if they make what was sorc ones that u wont be able to kill them right:)

Well look at last patch as long as a sorc had enough stam to break free there was no dying in 1v1 except you get a lucky burst through.
Sorcs definitely need a change especially PvE wise but reverting the change will just make them unkillable again.

there are many people was killing sorcerer that who knows how to kill and knows how to play with their chracter...i know many killed me in pvp...many couldnt..if u play aganist to all classes same it is possible for you to not kill......and why u are not annoying how overpowerfull now stam dk and stam nb how powerfull poisons for them...i have those too but im not happy with the current balance cuz there isnt any..and it wont be with these meta..
and if u ask how it can be i tell you if u respect my answer:

Tank classes should be tank
Healer classes should be healer
dps classes should be DPS

but now both tank class and healer class makes MORE DPS THAN THE ACTUAL DPS CLASS......

First of all 'dat english' had to read through that text a few times to get it.

Ofc the combo didn't work always but most of the time against non tanky targets. The problem with sorc was that they where more tanky than any other class and still had ridiciulous burst.

PvE wise I totally agree. Sorc need a change there and also in PvP but reverting the change will just make them op again.

Well I didn't bring up the new fotm builds/classes because they don't have place in a sorc discussion.

There is no such thing as tank/healer/dps classes. Every class can do everthing. Dps is good enough on all to complete content with it. Its just for progressive raiding that the is nothing but DK tanks and Templar healers. Dpsing can and should be done with all classes.

Don't say sorcerers have burst! FTLOG

thankyourat

Rikumaru wrote: »

Magicka sorcs don't have the burst of magicka or stam nb, don't have the survivability of a stam DK (not sure about magicka DK), they don't even have a functional heal and their escape is worse than the current super buggy cloak. If you think this is balance then I have nothing more to say to you. Also for the record I main NB not sorc.

Magic sorc has better burst than magic nightblade, not stamina nightblade but definitely magicka. Magicka nightblade has better constant DPS though. Also streak and cloak are pretty even with there uselessness with all this gap closer spam. I think one of the sorc pets should work like the nightblade shade were they could bolt strait to the pet. I think that would help a lot. I agree this game is no where near balanced. At this point every stamina version of each class is better than the magicka version, except Templar healer. I also main a magic nightblade and I feel like for PvP they are pretty even with sorc in terms of usefulness, but magic nightblade has a lot of fun abilities to use. where all sorcs are basically all forced to use the same abilities to be good.

alexkdd99

attackjet wrote: »

Seriously, they changed two things that make them more balanced, if you say they were not op before patch then you are honestly just used to being op.

And BTW, I duel sorcs all the time, as long as you know how to play they are really good.

All this backlash against the changes just seems like a l2p issue.

So please, stop complaining guys its getting annoying

So we have someone complaining about complaining? Doesn't that make you a hypocrite? Your right it is getting very annoying to hear L2P so can we please stop