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So Bethesda releases Mods on consoles...
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So Bethesda releases mods on consoles, and ESO console players still do not have access to addons...
Edited by Justice31st on June 18, 2016 7:43PM "The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."
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AmakarGranaen✭✭✭would be nice to have.
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✭✭✭Much of what PC has console now does. If consoles did get add-ons though we'd also have to deal with hackers...Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Solid_Metal✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Much of what PC has console now does. If consoles did get add-ons though we'd also have to deal with hackers...
it can be prevented by official "ZoS" addon distribution place, means they need to doing verification on each addon that added into the platfom
but if we see how lazy ZoS are, its highly unlikely
anyway, addon only handle UI, theres some addon that i consider "cheating" , but not in definition cheating like those losers that spam ultimateEdited by Solid_Metal on June 18, 2016 7:59PM"i will walk through the fog, as i welcome death"3 -
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✭Bethesda is releasing addons for single player games. ZOS is being asked to release addons for multiplayer games.
Some of those addons do create imbalances. Others should be in the base game (like text search functions in guild stores, etc). Others ZOS would probably do better selling with crowns, like 'all skyshard locations revealed' for 1000 crowns or some such.
But yea, it very well could come our way.Ruze Aulus. Mayor of Dhalmora. Archer, hunter, assassin. Nightblade.
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Na'Djin. Knight-Blade. Knight, vanguard, defender. Nightblade.
XBOX NARuze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.
He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.
This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.0 -
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✭✭✭I can only think of like 2 addons I'd really like for consoles; Text search for items in guild stores and Thieves Trove locator.Argonian forever0 -
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✭✭✭The fact of the matter is when you allow third party programs into your game that also opens the door for things like cheat engine. Let the add-ons in, and the hackers slip in too. Common sense, really.
[Edit to remove reference to removed content]Edited by [Deleted User] on June 18, 2016 8:18PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Solid_Metal✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »The fact of the matter is when you allow third party programs into your game that also opens the door for things like cheat engine. Let the add-ons in, and the hackers slip in too. Common sense, really.
addons are not 3rd party program, those are simply additional script to manipulate UI and take all the data from official ESO API, afaik theres no way to change value or anything from accessing those said APIEdited by [Deleted User] on June 18, 2016 8:18PM"i will walk through the fog, as i welcome death"2 -
KICHZY✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Much of what PC has console now does. If consoles did get add-ons though we'd also have to deal with hackers...
No you wouldn't, This generation of consoles still haven't been jail broken!
If and when somebody does manage to break the console/s infrastructure's coding only then should you worry about games being modded/hacked. It taken just under a decade for them to crack PS3 so I highly doubt they'll even come close this time round. XB1 and PS4 are currently hack free and will be for as long as the firmware doesn't get bypassed in some form or another.
Back on topic though...I personally believe we would be better off without mods on consoles. I'm happy with ZOS introducing new features within patches, This way it effects everyone rather than splitting the community into two by letting us use mods. At the moment we are all equals as a community and I'd prefer it stay that way.0 -
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✭✭✭Solid_Metal wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »@imenace Your name is right and your observation wrong, and also reported.
The fact of the matter is when you allow third party programs into your game that also opens the door for things like cheat engine. Let the add-ons in, and the hackers slip in too. Common sense, really.
addons are not 3rd party program, those are simply additional script to manipulate UI and take all the data from official ESO API, afaik theres no way to change value or anything from accessing those said API
As long as it isn't from the game's true owner, it's a third party program, regardless of functionality. This may not be true on PC as you just go in and edit what's on your system but for consoles it would be so.
[Edit to remove reference to removed content]Edited by [Deleted User] on June 18, 2016 8:19PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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imenace✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »@imenace Your name is right and your observation wrong, and also reported.
The fact of the matter is when you allow third party programs into your game that also opens the door for things like cheat engine. Let the add-ons in, and the hackers slip in too. Common sense, really.
addons are not 3rd party program, those are simply additional script to manipulate UI and take all the data from official ESO API, afaik theres no way to change value or anything from accessing those said API
As long as it isn't from the game's true owner, it's a third party program, regardless of functionality. This may not be true on PC as you just go in and edit what's on your system but for consoles it would be so.
addons are possible because they are using the official released API by zenimax. addons cannot "HACK", they can only do what zenimax allows them to.
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
The fact of the matter is when you allow third party programs into your game that also opens the door for things like cheat engine. Let the add-ons in, and the hackers slip in too. Common sense, really.
addons are not 3rd party program, those are simply additional script to manipulate UI and take all the data from official ESO API, afaik theres no way to change value or anything from accessing those said API
As long as it isn't from the game's true owner, it's a third party program, regardless of functionality. This may not be true on PC as you just go in and edit what's on your system but for consoles it would be so.
addons are possible because they are using the official released API by zenimax. addons cannot "HACK", they can only do what zenimax allows them to.
If you read carefully I never said add-ons themselves are hacking programs. The fact Zenimax allows such things to alter their game is what made cheat engine possible. I seriously doubt it ever would've gone into the live servers otherwise.Edited by [Deleted User] on June 18, 2016 8:22PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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imenace✭✭✭did you read the wrong forum post on psn? do you even know how cheat engine works? they come out because these devs are simply incompetent, they cant run a game to save their life. at every turn they ignore the problems and dont communicate anything to the community, no wonder some people believe addons are the cause for cheat engine
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Cheat Engine works with ESO even if ZOS completely disables the add-on system, since the add-on system has nothing to do with how Cheat Engine works. It takes less than 5 minutes on Google to not make yourself look so silly.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
The fact of the matter is when you allow third party programs into your game that also opens the door for things like cheat engine. Let the add-ons in, and the hackers slip in too. Common sense, really.
addons are not 3rd party program, those are simply additional script to manipulate UI and take all the data from official ESO API, afaik theres no way to change value or anything from accessing those said API
As long as it isn't from the game's true owner, it's a third party program, regardless of functionality. This may not be true on PC as you just go in and edit what's on your system but for consoles it would be so.
addons are possible because they are using the official released API by zenimax. addons cannot "HACK", they can only do what zenimax allows them to.
If you read carefully I never said add-ons themselves are hacking programs. The fact Zenimax allows such things to alter their game is what made cheat engine possible. I seriously doubt it ever would've gone into the live servers otherwise.
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Cheat Engine works with ESO even if ZOS completely disables the add-on system, since the add-on system has nothing to do with how Cheat Engine works. It takes less than 5 minutes on Google to not make yourself look so silly.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
The fact of the matter is when you allow third party programs into your game that also opens the door for things like cheat engine. Let the add-ons in, and the hackers slip in too. Common sense, really.
addons are not 3rd party program, those are simply additional script to manipulate UI and take all the data from official ESO API, afaik theres no way to change value or anything from accessing those said API
As long as it isn't from the game's true owner, it's a third party program, regardless of functionality. This may not be true on PC as you just go in and edit what's on your system but for consoles it would be so.
addons are possible because they are using the official released API by zenimax. addons cannot "HACK", they can only do what zenimax allows them to.
If you read carefully I never said add-ons themselves are hacking programs. The fact Zenimax allows such things to alter their game is what made cheat engine possible. I seriously doubt it ever would've gone into the live servers otherwise.
Again I never said cheat engine has anything to do with the add-ons themselves so of course disabling the add-ons would not stop cheat engine. It's all in the fact that Zenimax released the information needed FOR the add-ons that cheat engine was allowed to happen. Could it have happened anyway? Probably. But it no doubt made it easier to slip it in.
Either way letting mods on console ESO is too risky at this point and frankly I can easily live without what add-ons PC has that console UI does not have built in considering the internet exists.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on June 18, 2016 8:28PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Cheaters only gained access to ESO because CE released a 64bit version called Lazarus and it managed to read the process memory of the application (meaning they can now alter/edit the source code). ZOS currently need to change there encryption methods to be able to permanently block access to cheaters...This takes time!
Also 3rd party mods are client based not server side so your argument is kinda irrelevant because they pose no threat whatsoever.
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CE allows you to alter the process memory of selected applications. Cheaters only gained access because CE released a 64bit version called Lazarus and it managed to read the process memory. ZOS currently need to change there encryption methods to be able to permanently block access to cheaters...This takes time!
3rd party mods are client based not server side so your argument is kinda irrelevant bud.
Well like I said it's still too risky and a risk I for one do not want to see done.
Besides, it isn't gonna happen anyway. Allowing mods for a single player game is way different than allowing mods for an MMO.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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KICHZY✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »@UltimaJoe777
CE allows you to alter the process memory of selected applications. Cheaters only gained access because CE released a 64bit version called Lazarus and it managed to read the process memory. ZOS currently need to change there encryption methods to be able to permanently block access to cheaters...This takes time!
3rd party mods are client based not server side so your argument is kinda irrelevant bud.
Well like I said it's still too risky and a risk I for one do not want to see done.
Besides, it isn't gonna happen anyway. Allowing mods for a single player game is way different than allowing mods for an MMO.
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I'm fine with apps if they are published by ZOS even though they are developed by a 3rd party. ZOS can take the responsibility if it's malicious.
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »@UltimaJoe777
CE allows you to alter the process memory of selected applications. Cheaters only gained access because CE released a 64bit version called Lazarus and it managed to read the process memory. ZOS currently need to change there encryption methods to be able to permanently block access to cheaters...This takes time!
3rd party mods are client based not server side so your argument is kinda irrelevant bud.
Well like I said it's still too risky and a risk I for one do not want to see done.
Besides, it isn't gonna happen anyway. Allowing mods for a single player game is way different than allowing mods for an MMO.
BS. Blizzard allowed Mod checks in their software for over 10+ years.
edit: For World of WarcraftEdited by Justice31st on June 18, 2016 9:00PM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
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✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »@UltimaJoe777
CE allows you to alter the process memory of selected applications. Cheaters only gained access because CE released a 64bit version called Lazarus and it managed to read the process memory. ZOS currently need to change there encryption methods to be able to permanently block access to cheaters...This takes time!
3rd party mods are client based not server side so your argument is kinda irrelevant bud.
Well like I said it's still too risky and a risk I for one do not want to see done.
Besides, it isn't gonna happen anyway. Allowing mods for a single player game is way different than allowing mods for an MMO.
BS. Blizzard allowed Mod checks in their software for over 10+ years.
edit: For World of Warcraft
They're also making a live adaptation of WoW. Together these facts say alot about Blizzard and why I couldn't care less about them...Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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ginoboehm✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »The fact of the matter is when you allow third party programs into your game that also opens the door for things like cheat engine. Let the add-ons in, and the hackers slip in too. Common sense, really.
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that is simply a lie. no cheat program is using the official api. no api/addon mechanic is alowing the cheat programs to work. cheat engine is an external software running beside eso and altering the state of it while it runs.
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »@UltimaJoe777
CE allows you to alter the process memory of selected applications. Cheaters only gained access because CE released a 64bit version called Lazarus and it managed to read the process memory. ZOS currently need to change there encryption methods to be able to permanently block access to cheaters...This takes time!
3rd party mods are client based not server side so your argument is kinda irrelevant bud.
Well like I said it's still too risky and a risk I for one do not want to see done.
Besides, it isn't gonna happen anyway. Allowing mods for a single player game is way different than allowing mods for an MMO.
BS. Blizzard allowed Mod checks in their software for over 10+ years.
edit: For World of Warcraft
They're also making a live adaptation of WoW. Together these facts say alot about Blizzard and why I couldn't care less about them...
The most successful MMO in history and still going strong after 12+ years. LOL, I am sure a lot of companies care about using their business model at least. Also the movie is based on the Warcraft RTS, not the MMO."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."1 -
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »The fact of the matter is when you allow third party programs into your game that also opens the door for things like cheat engine. Let the add-ons in, and the hackers slip in too. Common sense, really.
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that is simply a lie. no cheat program is using the official api. no api/addon mechanic is alowing the cheat programs to work. cheat engine is an external software running beside eso and altering the state of it while it runs.
It has nothing to do with addons and it is not good to talk about stuff you don't understand with that kind of confidence
Different functions, same purpose. Both add-ons and programs alter the game and it's hard to see it as anything beyond coincidence. Even if it isn't true, it's still risky to send it console's way. Just saiyan.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »@UltimaJoe777
CE allows you to alter the process memory of selected applications. Cheaters only gained access because CE released a 64bit version called Lazarus and it managed to read the process memory. ZOS currently need to change there encryption methods to be able to permanently block access to cheaters...This takes time!
3rd party mods are client based not server side so your argument is kinda irrelevant bud.
Well like I said it's still too risky and a risk I for one do not want to see done.
Besides, it isn't gonna happen anyway. Allowing mods for a single player game is way different than allowing mods for an MMO.
BS. Blizzard allowed Mod checks in their software for over 10+ years.
edit: For World of Warcraft
They're also making a live adaptation of WoW. Together these facts say alot about Blizzard and why I couldn't care less about them...
The most successful MMO in history and still going strong after 12+ years. LOL, I am sure a lot of companies care about using their business model at least. Also the movie is based on the Warcraft RTS, not the MMO.
They also use tournaments and cash prizes for said tournaments. Practically buying players if you ask me.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »The fact of the matter is when you allow third party programs into your game that also opens the door for things like cheat engine. Let the add-ons in, and the hackers slip in too. Common sense, really.
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that is simply a lie. no cheat program is using the official api. no api/addon mechanic is alowing the cheat programs to work. cheat engine is an external software running beside eso and altering the state of it while it runs.
It has nothing to do with addons and it is not good to talk about stuff you don't understand with that kind of confidence
^This. I originally thought the hacks were from addons, and I found out through this guy I was wrong. (I play on consoles, so I did not know) It is ok to admit you are wrong once in awhile. Your ego can handle it , I promise.
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✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »The fact of the matter is when you allow third party programs into your game that also opens the door for things like cheat engine. Let the add-ons in, and the hackers slip in too. Common sense, really.
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that is simply a lie. no cheat program is using the official api. no api/addon mechanic is alowing the cheat programs to work. cheat engine is an external software running beside eso and altering the state of it while it runs.
It has nothing to do with addons and it is not good to talk about stuff you don't understand with that kind of confidence
^This. I originally thought the hacks were from addons, and I found out through this guy I was wrong. (I play on consoles, so I did not know) It is ok to admit you are wrong once in awhile. Your ego can handle it , I promise.
I never said what they say about cheat engines and add-ons coming from 2 different things is wrong, it's just suspect due to what little similarities they have is all.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »@UltimaJoe777
CE allows you to alter the process memory of selected applications. Cheaters only gained access because CE released a 64bit version called Lazarus and it managed to read the process memory. ZOS currently need to change there encryption methods to be able to permanently block access to cheaters...This takes time!
3rd party mods are client based not server side so your argument is kinda irrelevant bud.
Well like I said it's still too risky and a risk I for one do not want to see done.
Besides, it isn't gonna happen anyway. Allowing mods for a single player game is way different than allowing mods for an MMO.
BS. Blizzard allowed Mod checks in their software for over 10+ years.
edit: For World of Warcraft
They're also making a live adaptation of WoW. Together these facts say alot about Blizzard and why I couldn't care less about them...
The most successful MMO in history and still going strong after 12+ years. LOL, I am sure a lot of companies care about using their business model at least. Also the movie is based on the Warcraft RTS, not the MMO.
They also use tournaments and cash prizes for said tournaments. Practically buying players if you ask me.
Good point. Only crappy game companies would ever give money to their players...Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on June 18, 2016 9:07PM2 -
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✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »@UltimaJoe777
CE allows you to alter the process memory of selected applications. Cheaters only gained access because CE released a 64bit version called Lazarus and it managed to read the process memory. ZOS currently need to change there encryption methods to be able to permanently block access to cheaters...This takes time!
3rd party mods are client based not server side so your argument is kinda irrelevant bud.
Well like I said it's still too risky and a risk I for one do not want to see done.
Besides, it isn't gonna happen anyway. Allowing mods for a single player game is way different than allowing mods for an MMO.
BS. Blizzard allowed Mod checks in their software for over 10+ years.
edit: For World of Warcraft
They're also making a live adaptation of WoW. Together these facts say alot about Blizzard and why I couldn't care less about them...
The most successful MMO in history and still going strong after 12+ years. LOL, I am sure a lot of companies care about using their business model at least. Also the movie is based on the Warcraft RTS, not the MMO.
They also use tournaments and cash prizes for said tournaments. Practically buying players if you ask me.
Good point. Only crappy game companies would ever give money to their players...
^LOL. +1"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0
