How many high HP characters have you seen since DB?

UltimaJoe777

PC has had this due to add-ons but console players just got the ability to see numbers and percents in Health, Magicka, and Stamina. Since then I've seen many CP players with far less than 20k Max Health. What I haven't seen yet is someone with more than 20k, when I actually bother to look lol

So how many have ya'll seen with 20k+ Health?

FailSaucePro

Although there is very little reason to have 20k (I dps and heal with 16-18k) I see a pretty fair amount of people from 20-22k. I assume most of them are people who either don't care about maximum effectiveness in their role or just are not comfortable with their reaction times to have less.

Callous2208

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

PC has had this due to add-ons but console players just got the ability to see numbers and percents in Health, Magicka, and Stamina. Since then I've seen many CP players with far less than 20k Max Health. What I haven't seen yet is someone with more than 20k, when I actually bother to look lol

So how many have ya'll seen with 20k+ Health?

You're seeing a lot of healers and dps then. Or people without food buff on in town. Even with food buff, the meta for high end, even max cp dps is below 20k hp. Stam or Magicka based on the type of build is a different story, you smash that main stat as high as you can.

Totalitarian

My main rocks 16018 HP. Reason I can survive is because of Annulment+Healing.

Generally from what I see though, people tend to be in the 17-18k range.

Taleof2Cities

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

PC has had this due to add-ons but console players just got the ability to see numbers and percents in Health, Magicka, and Stamina. Since then I've seen many CP players with far less than 20k Max Health. What I haven't seen yet is someone with more than 20k, when I actually bother to look lol

So how many have ya'll seen with 20k+ Health?

You tend to see most players when they are out of combat or in town ... where the chances are higher that they let their food buff run out.

That being said, I was very surprised at how few CP501+ players I saw running around (even on PC NA). Which makes some sense ... players either started well after the game released or started on console as a new player.

UrQuan

When I'm in a tanking setup I'm usually just over 20K health without my food buff (the exact amount depends on the character). When I'm in a healing or DPS setup I'm usually around 12K-13K health without my food buff (again, the exact amount depends on the character). Given that there are a lot more people using DPS setups in the game than anything else (and for those of us who do tank, we may only use our tanking setups when actually doing group dungeons and stuff, and use a DPS setup for that character the rest of the time), it's kind of expected to mostly see people with under 20K health.

UltimaJoe777

Sorry I should've specified that this thread is in regards to people without food buffs lol and yeah I know those with such HP are built for DPS and Healing and stuff.

Lenikus

On pvp, 20k hp is teh BARE MINIMUM you should have.
On PvE, a DPS or Healer needs at least 17k, being 18~19 the ideal or average.

Myself, my pvp builds always have 23~30k hp, and i'm a ganker.

This issue you just now noticed is why so many people cried rivers because they were being 'one-shotted' by some 'clearly broken and overpowered stuff', when they themselves were knowingly hindering their survivability.

DocFrost72

I rock 22k health on my stamplar DPS. Not because I am shooting for that number, but it happened.

I use blue stam/health foods and 7 stam enchants, all medium armor...but I am imperial. That, and healthy agility rings were 40k at the time xD

Lysette

Hm, I just know my values for the battle-level scaled DLC areas and most of my characters have more than 20k - but I put points into health - I guess that is it, those below 20k might not have put a single point into health and all just in magicka or stamina for maximal damage.

clocksstoppe

FailSaucePro wrote: »

Although there is very little reason to have 20k (I dps and heal with 16-18k) I see a pretty fair amount of people from 20-22k. I assume most of them are people who either don't care about maximum effectiveness in their role or just are not comfortable with their reaction times to have less.

I'd say not dying is the first step in maximum effectiveness.

Also I would hate going pve with you, you die all the time and are a pain in the ass for the team just like every 16k hp dps i've seen.

UltimaJoe777

Lysette wrote: »

Hm, I just know my values for the battle-level scaled DLC areas and most of my characters have more than 20k - but I put points into health - I guess that is it, those below 20k might not have put a single point into health and all just in magicka or stamina for maximal damage.

Yeah those who don't invest in health at all either have less than 10k or a bit above depending on CP rank. I have seen some in the mid 10ks which means they invest some into health but not alot. Either way too many DPS/Healers

Lenikus

Lysette wrote: »

Hm, I just know my values for the battle-level scaled DLC areas and most of my characters have more than 20k - but I put points into health - I guess that is it, those below 20k might not have put a single point into health and all just in magicka or stamina for maximal damage.

I have 64 points in stamina, my Khajiit Nightblade has around 22k health in cyro. ;P

FailSaucePro

clocksstoppe wrote: »

FailSaucePro wrote: »

Although there is very little reason to have 20k (I dps and heal with 16-18k) I see a pretty fair amount of people from 20-22k. I assume most of them are people who either don't care about maximum effectiveness in their role or just are not comfortable with their reaction times to have less.

I'd say not dying is the first step in maximum effectiveness.

Also I would hate going pve with you, you die all the time and are a pain in the ass for the team just like every 16k hp dps i've seen.

I think the best response is just "lol". I have every deathless achievement and speed run except for maelstrom and maw on multiple characters that have 16k and 17k. Nice try though.

clocksstoppe

FailSaucePro wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

FailSaucePro wrote: »

Although there is very little reason to have 20k (I dps and heal with 16-18k) I see a pretty fair amount of people from 20-22k. I assume most of them are people who either don't care about maximum effectiveness in their role or just are not comfortable with their reaction times to have less.

I'd say not dying is the first step in maximum effectiveness.

Also I would hate going pve with you, you die all the time and are a pain in the ass for the team just like every 16k hp dps i've seen.

I think the best response is just "lol". I have every deathless achievement and speed run except for maelstrom and maw on multiple characters that have 16k and 17k. Nice try though.

So you either got lucky or you use shields/other defensive skills so you do not have what you describe as "maximum effectiveness". You're not fooling anyone here, at 16k hp you die to the boss farting in your general direction.

edit: also lol rip your broken annulement, i suspect it had something to do with this bold claim.

Lucius_Aelius

I noticed this too, so nice to see the HP of other players, and it took me a long time searching to find anyone with higher HP than me, I'm sitting pretty at 31.7K (38k in Cyrodiil) with my Sword and Shield out, 28k with Two Hander. At least now it clears up to people whether I'm a Tank or not, I've been accused of being a fake Tank too many times from paranoid blind people who couldn't see me holding agro the whole time and never dying, I may be a Hybrid Tank but with 31.7K HP no one can say I'm not Tanky.

It's also just informative, it doesn't tell you someone's whole build but it certainly does tell you a lot, and it's nice to be more informed about what people around you are doing. I'd love to be able to inspect people as well, but at least now I have something more to work with than before when wanting to know more about other people's setups, whether it be my enemies to better fight them or my allies to better fight beside them.

Molag_Crow

My magicka templar has around 20-22k in PvE and 26-30k in PvP, but I haven't touched my PvP build in this DB patch (since we got it on ps4 about 3 days ago) so I've yet to see if the damage is still insane.

FailSaucePro

clocksstoppe wrote: »

FailSaucePro wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

FailSaucePro wrote: »

Although there is very little reason to have 20k (I dps and heal with 16-18k) I see a pretty fair amount of people from 20-22k. I assume most of them are people who either don't care about maximum effectiveness in their role or just are not comfortable with their reaction times to have less.

I'd say not dying is the first step in maximum effectiveness.

Also I would hate going pve with you, you die all the time and are a pain in the ass for the team just like every 16k hp dps i've seen.

I think the best response is just "lol". I have every deathless achievement and speed run except for maelstrom and maw on multiple characters that have 16k and 17k. Nice try though.

So you either got lucky or you use shields/other defensive skills so you do not have what you describe as "maximum effectiveness". You're not fooling anyone here, at 16k hp you die to the boss farting in your general direction.

edit: also lol rip your broken annulement, i suspect it had something to do with this bold claim.

There are few encounters that even warrant the use of damage shields. I can think of the Lord warden dusk fight and maelstrom arena off the top of my head. I have nothing to prove to you so I'll defer you to tamrielfoundry.com where you can see all the wonderfull people pulling 30-40k dps with less than 18k hp and maybe learn something too.

clocksstoppe

FailSaucePro wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

FailSaucePro wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

FailSaucePro wrote: »

Although there is very little reason to have 20k (I dps and heal with 16-18k) I see a pretty fair amount of people from 20-22k. I assume most of them are people who either don't care about maximum effectiveness in their role or just are not comfortable with their reaction times to have less.

I'd say not dying is the first step in maximum effectiveness.

Also I would hate going pve with you, you die all the time and are a pain in the ass for the team just like every 16k hp dps i've seen.

I think the best response is just "lol". I have every deathless achievement and speed run except for maelstrom and maw on multiple characters that have 16k and 17k. Nice try though.

So you either got lucky or you use shields/other defensive skills so you do not have what you describe as "maximum effectiveness". You're not fooling anyone here, at 16k hp you die to the boss farting in your general direction.

edit: also lol rip your broken annulement, i suspect it had something to do with this bold claim.

There are few encounters that even warrant the use of damage shields. I can think of the Lord warden dusk fight and maelstrom arena off the top of my head. I have nothing to prove to you so I'll defer you to tamrielfoundry.com where you can see all the wonderfull people pulling 30-40k dps with less than 18k hp and maybe learn something too.

Well I do the same with 18k hp so no thanks, you can keep your tamriel foundry 16k hp builds for all i care.

UrQuan

Lenikus wrote: »

On pvp, 20k hp is teh BARE MINIMUM you should have.
On PvE, a DPS or Healer needs at least 17k, being 18~19 the ideal or average.

You raise a good point: health values you should typically see for PVP are definitely different from the ones you should see for PVE. When I'm in Cyrodiil or Imperial City I don't think my health is ever below about 22K. Not that I know what I'm doing in PVP... I'm terribad.

clocksstoppe wrote: »

FailSaucePro wrote: »

Although there is very little reason to have 20k (I dps and heal with 16-18k) I see a pretty fair amount of people from 20-22k. I assume most of them are people who either don't care about maximum effectiveness in their role or just are not comfortable with their reaction times to have less.

I'd say not dying is the first step in maximum effectiveness.

Also I would hate going pve with you, you die all the time and are a pain in the ass for the team just like every 16k hp dps i've seen.

I would say almost everyone who I group with on a regular or semi-regular basis for group dungeons (vet and non-vet) has 16K-19K health for non-tanks. Most of those people die maybe once or twice in a vet dungeon, and usually not at all in a non-vet dungeon. If you're at least somewhat experienced with group dungeons you shouldn't need more than 16K-19K health (I usually prefer 17K-18K) for a DPS or healer. If you're brand new to group dungeons, you should probably have at least 20K. Of course, that assumes your healer is at least semi-decent. If you've got a terrible healer then everyone needs more health than normal.

The point of having 16K-19K health is that it's enough to survive almost all single big hits you'll take, or it's enough to survive a short period of time being focused on by a group of mobs, or it's enough to survive for a short period of time in most AOEs. You get past that one dangerous high damage situation and then get healed (either a burst heal or a HoT - if you're decently good at avoiding damage for a short while after the burst damage you took a HoT will do just fine).

And for the record, I'm saying this as someone who regularly does all 3 roles. If I'm tanking and I know my healer is at least adequate I'm fine with the DPS and healer having 16K-19K health. If I'm the healer I'm fine with the DPS and myself having 16K-19K health. If I'm DPSing and I know the healer is at least adequate I'm fine with the other DPS, the healer and myself having 16K-19K health. I know we won't have many (if any) deaths in those circumstances.

NetflixNChiill

My Stam DK is at 20k health outside of Cyrodill had to put 14 ap into health otherwise I wouldn't be able to do any PVE content although my stamplar is at 10k outside of Cyrodiil which has been pretty much rendered useless for PVE