Pelinal Aptitude better for max magicka, stamina or hybrid?

PS4_ZeColmeia

So I'm going to be using this on my Mage blade in tandem with grim focus as a means to boost my dps when attacking for the gf proc.

IMHO I think this for certain favors max damage but is a tie on magicka and stamina, stamina = higher raw damage vs magicka = versatility vs hybrid = best overall sustain.

I've been Mage blade all game so I'm going to stay there with heikajo runes on my minor gear for more sustain and ha and dual wield to supplement sustain and damage.

Thoughts? Math? Theories? What are you doing?

AGrz5585

This is just a theory of mine

5 pelinal, 4 noble duelist (light armor with weapon damage bonuses) 3 agility rings with arcane. Maybe slot flawless dawnbreaker as well

Or even 5 pelinal, 5 dreugh king, 2 leki swords.

These are just theory crafted ideas, haven't tried either of them ingame though

FailSaucePro

Pelinal's is a pretty lackluster set because you would have to split your resources between magicka and stamina, spell and weapon critical chance, spell and physical penetration, and champion points which all are more important than raw weapon or spell damage. Also, grim focus and merciless resolve are magical damage and scale off max magicka anyway.

NativeJoe

it's better for stamina builds just based off the fact you cannot really dodge roll, break free, if your burning resources from both ends. pretty much making you a instant gib or players in pvp if you try to pull it off as a magick build.

Weapon power also scales higher then magicka and gets a direct boost from fighters guild skills.
Use it with WW form and your physical attacks are going to be through the roof and your WW heal will gain the major benefits of the gear set.

I can't speak as to the specifics, just throwing this out there logically.

and your build looks logical to me. @AGrz5585

ironically this was thrown out there as a option for both playstyles..but it's a stamina set that allows you to use magicka ults and abilities with no drawbacks when actually put into use.

PS4_ZeColmeia

@NativeJoe maybe it's the mageblade bias, but I use waaaay more magic than stamina. I have everything morphed to magic because they heal, escape, and have more utility than stamina, in my opinion.

So I accept lower damage for the resource pool that I think I'm or should be using more. Right now to reduce need to heal and ease sustain I'm going HA and baharas curse gear and Molag kena as my shoulders. Then just going sharpened and nirnhorned swords.

Interested in understanding weapon spell damage and resource pools the other way. I need to gold everything and get divine Molag kena, but I'm at 2500ish power with cp, no buffs, not optimized stats and not all runes. I'll post my pool and stats when I get on tonite.

susmitds

I am currently using that set as like 2 weeks.

My results on a Magicka Templar are:

Gear: Divine 5 MA/2LA (2x Kena, , 5x Pelinal's Aptitude), 3x Arcane Agility Jewelry, 1 Nirnhoned Sword, 1 vMA Axe - All Gold and purple jewelry

Weapon/Spell Damage - 3.6K unbuffed

46K magicka - 16.9K DPS Max
39K stamina - 17.7K DPS Max
19K Magicka, 19K Stamina - 20.4K DPS Max

Usual Magicka Templar DPS - 36.7K DPS
Usual Stamina Templar DPS - 30.5K DPS

As you can see by splitting the resources a bit you can get a bit more DPS but this nowhere near the usual non-hybrid DPS. DPS depends on a lot of factors like Crit chance, Crit Damage Bonus, Penetration, CP, etc. However this set cannot make up for those.

PS4_ZeColmeia

@susmitds thanks that great info. So it kinda seems the smart approach is to have a stam bar and a mag bar? If we have a high regen you can recover one while using the other?

I'm gonna look up sets with rings and see what looks complimentary. Thoughts?

susmitds

PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »

@susmitds thanks that great info. So it kinda seems the smart approach is to have a stam bar and a mag bar? If we have a high regen you can recover one while using the other?

I'm gonna look up sets with rings and see what looks complimentary. Thoughts?

Currently I would suggest that unless you have Orzorga's Smoked Bear Haunch as food, use Blood Spawn 1 Piece, 3 Piece Seducer.

The sustain is very bad, especially for magicka as you have to use 5 pc Medium Armor to get the 12% Weapon Dmg bonus. You would run out of resources pretty fast anyway. I suggest that stack DoT skills from both magicka and stamina types and use only one spammable skill. That would fill both your bars anyway.

akredon_ESO

I actually beat VMA with 5 pelinal 2 blood sworn 3 agil arcane on my templar. The set is so much fun i love it for solo play

Mayrael

I personaly think @NativeJoe is right about that its better for stamina, as stamina gives you everything what you would like to have + magicka as a addition. Why? As Joe wrote you can stack weap dmg much higher than spell dmg, and you can use it e.g. to spam swallow soul as it costs almost nothing, or healing ward + 100% crit from shadowy disquise can do mirracles even with low magica. Its not a game changer but can add to stam build some diversity.

Silver_Strider

The only class I can see using Pelinal's Aptitude even mildly effectively is DKs due to them having access to 4 major buffs (Brutality, Sorcery, Savagery and Prophecy) thru 2 of their class skills.

However, even with that going for them, I don't believe it possible to get your magic, stamina, weapon/spell crit AND weapon/spell damage high enough to even warrant using a 5 piece set that offers nothing apart from regen and health.

Molag Kena would probably be a must for a Hybrid as it affects both your weapon and spell damage, but managing the resource cost might bet tricky. Other options would be Engine Guardian but that doesn't help with damage.

Dark Elf is the only race that grants both magic and stamina so that's probably the best bet as well. Probably offset the slight bit more magic by slotting more attribute points into stamina to compensate.

That leaves you with 2 blank slots (Dual Wield is probably a must as it helps weapon/spell damage the most) and Jewelry to increase your weapon/spell damage and weapon/spell crit to a decent enough level that you can actually use the set. Can't think of any sets nowadays that come in jewelry that would increase weapon/spell damage or crit though so you're probably better off using Briarheart now that it comes in weapons to get a nice boost to weapon damage and crit, while spell crit suffers behind a little bit.

Looks like 5H/1M/1L is probably the only good combo as the Wraith passive increase both Weapon and Spell damage, and Constitution, in theory, should keep resources managed. Although, you might be able to make up the Spell Crit you're missing out on by going 5L/1M/1H but loss out on the extra damge from the Wraith passive and have more magic recovery/cost reduction from that and use CP to make up for the stamina cost and recovery.

30 into Thamaturge minimal for the Weapon Crit CP and whatever else into Apprentice for Spell Crit CP.
Prismatic Enchants mandatory, no way around it.

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Sithis have mercy on my Soul.

Amdar_Godkiller

1. It's way easier to stack max magic than max stamina; and it's way easier to stack weapon damage than spell damage. Chasing spell damage is therefore a complete waste with pelinals; however you'll still need stam, and you therefore want to pick a race that gets some bonuses there. Imperial, Dunmer, or Redguard are the best way to go.

2. The best resource returns come from a) agility, willpower, and endurance sets; and b) monster set pieces.

3. Inner Light and Flawless Dawnbreaker are pretty much musts for any hybrid build.

Personally I think an Dunmer Vamp Sorc with 5 medium/1 heavy/1 light would work best. 3 Pelinals armor, with 1 precise sword and 1 sharpened dagger on your magic bar. 3 Clever Alchemist with 1 nirnhoned sword and 1 sharpened dagger on your stam bar. 1 monster helm. Agility Jewelry with weapon damage glyphs Obviously. Prismatic enchants Infused on every piece.


Stamina (+17%)
Undaunted Mettle +6%
Racial Passive +6%
Bound Armaments +5%
Max CP 

Regen (+30%)
Medium Armor Passives +20%
Vamp Passives +10%

Magicka (+24%)
Inner Light +7%
Undaunted Mettle +6%
Structured Entropy +2%
Racial Passives +9%
Max CP

Mag Regen (+17%)
Vamp passives +10%
Light Armor passives +4%
Racial Passives + 3%

Health (+16%) 
Undaunted Mettle +6%
Juggernaut +2%
Structured Entropy +8%
Max CP

Weapon Damage/(Spell Damage) (+23% on each bar)
Medium Armor Passive +12%
Flawless Dawnbreaker +8%
Evil Hunter (stam bar)/Silver shards (magic bar) +3%

+many more bonuses that I've forgotten. 
With such a build you could expect 17.5K+ health without food, which would allow you to eat blue stam + magic food.

I think around 30K stam, 31 K magic, 18 K health with 3K+ damage unbuffed, and around 4700 fully procced and buffed is doable.