Worse Than I Thought - Sorcerers

Ch4mpTW

So like... As we all know, I Sorcerers were nerfed heavily or changed/tweaked so to speak with the DB DLC. And well, things are much worse than I imagined. You see, I didn't really take it that seriously on PC/Mac, because for starters – I tend to feel things are much easier on PC/Mac. I don't know, but I just perform overall much better over there. On PS4, I'm not quite there yet. So things aren't as "smooth" as they could be. And after attempting VMA, I can finally understand the mass swarm of complaint threads. I mean I understood it then, but more so now. Sorcerers are dead. D-E-A-D. Even with my pet build, VMA felt like a ridiculous uphill battle. The "typical build" for Sorcerers made things feel even worse. What in the world have you done, devs? Seriously. What the Hell have you all done, with that change to Surge and shields!?

Dude... I'm not touching my Sorcerers now on both platforms, unless I need things crafted. Good thing I got my crafting to 50 in all crafting skill trees on my Sorcerersc and have all traits researched. It's a wrap for my Hardy Potter and Quan Chi dreams. Magicka Dragonknight and Magicka Templar bandwagon, here I come!

Vangy

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So like... As we all know, I Sorcerers were nerfed heavily or changed/tweaked so to speak with the DB DLC. And well, things are much worse than I imagined. You see, I didn't really take it that seriously on PC/Mac, because for starters – I tend to feel things are much easier on PC/Mac. I don't know, but I just perform overall much better over there. On PS4, I'm not quite there yet. So things aren't as "smooth" as they could be. And after attempting VMA, I can finally understand the mass swarm of complaint threads. I mean I understood it then, but more so now. Sorcerers are dead. D-E-A-D. Even with my pet build, VMA felt like a ridiculous uphill battle. The "typical build" for Sorcerers made things feel even worse. What in the world have you done, devs? Seriously. What the Hell have you all done, with that change to Surge and shields!?

Dude... I'm not touching my Sorcerers now on both platforms, unless I need things crafted. Good thing I got my crafting to 50 in all crafting skill trees on my Sorcerersc and have all traits researched. It's a wrap for my Hardy Potter and Quan Chi dreams. Magicka Dragonknight and Magicka Templar bandwagon, here I come!

I take it you havent tried vMA with a stamina toon that does not have vigor unlocked =P
And if you think magDK is better off than magSorc..... MagDK might be better in group but solo wise, sorc is still better.

Acrolas

Lucky28

Vangy wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So like... As we all know, I Sorcerers were nerfed heavily or changed/tweaked so to speak with the DB DLC. And well, things are much worse than I imagined. You see, I didn't really take it that seriously on PC/Mac, because for starters – I tend to feel things are much easier on PC/Mac. I don't know, but I just perform overall much better over there. On PS4, I'm not quite there yet. So things aren't as "smooth" as they could be. And after attempting VMA, I can finally understand the mass swarm of complaint threads. I mean I understood it then, but more so now. Sorcerers are dead. D-E-A-D. Even with my pet build, VMA felt like a ridiculous uphill battle. The "typical build" for Sorcerers made things feel even worse. What in the world have you done, devs? Seriously. What the Hell have you all done, with that change to Surge and shields!?

Dude... I'm not touching my Sorcerers now on both platforms, unless I need things crafted. Good thing I got my crafting to 50 in all crafting skill trees on my Sorcerersc and have all traits researched. It's a wrap for my Hardy Potter and Quan Chi dreams. Magicka Dragonknight and Magicka Templar bandwagon, here I come!

I take it you havent tried vMA with a stamina toon that does not have vigor unlocked =P
And if you think magDK is better off than magSorc..... MagDK might be better in group but solo wise, sorc is still better.

Meh. PvE mag DK is much much better than mag sorc. PvP not so much. Prox nerf hurt mag DK a lot.

Acrolas wrote: »

that should actually be "re-roll nightblade and gank anyone who says L2P, sorc"

UltimaJoe777

Acrolas wrote: »

So I guess that's you standing next to the game board?

SienneYviete

Unfortunately even an altmer stam sorc is better for running VMA with now than a magicka sorc. Mine well I put him on healer duties and man do sorcs make good healers if you have a stam self sufficient tank, occasionally the twilight gets one hit but healing ward is there just in case.

Ch4mpTW

Vangy wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So like... As we all know, I Sorcerers were nerfed heavily or changed/tweaked so to speak with the DB DLC. And well, things are much worse than I imagined. You see, I didn't really take it that seriously on PC/Mac, because for starters – I tend to feel things are much easier on PC/Mac. I don't know, but I just perform overall much better over there. On PS4, I'm not quite there yet. So things aren't as "smooth" as they could be. And after attempting VMA, I can finally understand the mass swarm of complaint threads. I mean I understood it then, but more so now. Sorcerers are dead. D-E-A-D. Even with my pet build, VMA felt like a ridiculous uphill battle. The "typical build" for Sorcerers made things feel even worse. What in the world have you done, devs? Seriously. What the Hell have you all done, with that change to Surge and shields!?

Dude... I'm not touching my Sorcerers now on both platforms, unless I need things crafted. Good thing I got my crafting to 50 in all crafting skill trees on my Sorcerersc and have all traits researched. It's a wrap for my Hardy Potter and Quan Chi dreams. Magicka Dragonknight and Magicka Templar bandwagon, here I come!

I take it you havent tried vMA with a stamina toon that does not have vigor unlocked =P
And if you think magDK is better off than magSorc..... MagDK might be better in group but solo wise, sorc is still better.

I can't say that I have. Lol. I've always done VMA with Vigor unlocked with my stamina characters. I also find VMA and solo play dramatically easier with my Magicka DK, than my Magicka Sorcerer. I always felt that, however... I know it's backwards and odd to some, but to me? A Magicka DK just felt naturally easier to play. And please don't misunderstand, I've been using a Sorcerer since the beta days. So I have quite a bit of experience with the class and numerous builds that Sorcerers can go about using. In both magicka and or stamina variations.

Vangy

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So like... As we all know, I Sorcerers were nerfed heavily or changed/tweaked so to speak with the DB DLC. And well, things are much worse than I imagined. You see, I didn't really take it that seriously on PC/Mac, because for starters – I tend to feel things are much easier on PC/Mac. I don't know, but I just perform overall much better over there. On PS4, I'm not quite there yet. So things aren't as "smooth" as they could be. And after attempting VMA, I can finally understand the mass swarm of complaint threads. I mean I understood it then, but more so now. Sorcerers are dead. D-E-A-D. Even with my pet build, VMA felt like a ridiculous uphill battle. The "typical build" for Sorcerers made things feel even worse. What in the world have you done, devs? Seriously. What the Hell have you all done, with that change to Surge and shields!?

Dude... I'm not touching my Sorcerers now on both platforms, unless I need things crafted. Good thing I got my crafting to 50 in all crafting skill trees on my Sorcerersc and have all traits researched. It's a wrap for my Hardy Potter and Quan Chi dreams. Magicka Dragonknight and Magicka Templar bandwagon, here I come!

I take it you havent tried vMA with a stamina toon that does not have vigor unlocked =P
And if you think magDK is better off than magSorc..... MagDK might be better in group but solo wise, sorc is still better.

I can't say that I have. Lol. I've always done VMA with Vigor unlocked with my stamina characters. I also find VMA and solo play dramatically easier with my Magicka DK, than my Magicka Sorcerer. I always felt that, however... I know it's backwards and odd to some, but to me? A Magicka DK just felt naturally easier to play. And please don't misunderstand, I've been using a Sorcerer since the beta days. So I have quite a bit of experience with the class and numerous builds that Sorcerers can go about using. In both magicka and or stamina variations.

Ah to each his own. Guess we have different opinions on the matter. Which is good yes? Previously it was, use sorc stomp face roflmao vMSA.

Lucky28

Vangy wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So like... As we all know, I Sorcerers were nerfed heavily or changed/tweaked so to speak with the DB DLC. And well, things are much worse than I imagined. You see, I didn't really take it that seriously on PC/Mac, because for starters – I tend to feel things are much easier on PC/Mac. I don't know, but I just perform overall much better over there. On PS4, I'm not quite there yet. So things aren't as "smooth" as they could be. And after attempting VMA, I can finally understand the mass swarm of complaint threads. I mean I understood it then, but more so now. Sorcerers are dead. D-E-A-D. Even with my pet build, VMA felt like a ridiculous uphill battle. The "typical build" for Sorcerers made things feel even worse. What in the world have you done, devs? Seriously. What the Hell have you all done, with that change to Surge and shields!?

Dude... I'm not touching my Sorcerers now on both platforms, unless I need things crafted. Good thing I got my crafting to 50 in all crafting skill trees on my Sorcerersc and have all traits researched. It's a wrap for my Hardy Potter and Quan Chi dreams. Magicka Dragonknight and Magicka Templar bandwagon, here I come!

I take it you havent tried vMA with a stamina toon that does not have vigor unlocked =P
And if you think magDK is better off than magSorc..... MagDK might be better in group but solo wise, sorc is still better.

I can't say that I have. Lol. I've always done VMA with Vigor unlocked with my stamina characters. I also find VMA and solo play dramatically easier with my Magicka DK, than my Magicka Sorcerer. I always felt that, however... I know it's backwards and odd to some, but to me? A Magicka DK just felt naturally easier to play. And please don't misunderstand, I've been using a Sorcerer since the beta days. So I have quite a bit of experience with the class and numerous builds that Sorcerers can go about using. In both magicka and or stamina variations.

Ah to each his own. Guess we have different opinions on the matter. Which is good yes? Previously it was, use sorc stomp face roflmao vMSA.

which was fine as that place gets repetitive as all hell. luckily i got all my weapons so i never need to set foot in there again

Acrolas

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

So I guess that's you standing next to the game board?

That's my stamina sorcerer. She cracked out six more CP in Old Orsinium today.

coyteriarwb17_ESO

Unfortunately I would have to agree op. People have stated continuously to ZOS that nerfing a Mag Sorc only defense is going to destroy the class. Compared to other classes, Sorc is not fun at all to play. Shields were nerfed to the point where we have only 3 seconds to dps an enemy NPC/player. Who ever disagrees with this does not play a mag sorcerer. 6 seconds is just way too short a duration to defend ourselves.

coyteriarwb17_ESO

Why play a sorcerer when it's not fun, weakest PvP class with no spammable dps and their defense has to be reapplied every 6 seconds. ZOS have no clue on the issue at hand: balance. Listen to your community and revert this stupid change.

Lynx7386

I'm actually enjoying my sorc more now, hurricane is awesome

ZOS_DaryaK

We removed a few posts that were not contributing to the topic at hand.

Kildayen

My main toon is my Sorc. I have over 142 days /played on him and well over 16,000 achievement points. I've always played Sorc type characters in MMOs. I am so very disappointed at the changes that were made with the new DLC and I rarely log on anymore because of them. I have other classes leveled up, but I don't enjoy them like I do Sorcs. Well, like I used to like Sorcs. Thanks ZOS for taking the fun out of the game for me and many others.

susmitds

Lucky28 wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So like... As we all know, I Sorcerers were nerfed heavily or changed/tweaked so to speak with the DB DLC. And well, things are much worse than I imagined. You see, I didn't really take it that seriously on PC/Mac, because for starters – I tend to feel things are much easier on PC/Mac. I don't know, but I just perform overall much better over there. On PS4, I'm not quite there yet. So things aren't as "smooth" as they could be. And after attempting VMA, I can finally understand the mass swarm of complaint threads. I mean I understood it then, but more so now. Sorcerers are dead. D-E-A-D. Even with my pet build, VMA felt like a ridiculous uphill battle. The "typical build" for Sorcerers made things feel even worse. What in the world have you done, devs? Seriously. What the Hell have you all done, with that change to Surge and shields!?

Dude... I'm not touching my Sorcerers now on both platforms, unless I need things crafted. Good thing I got my crafting to 50 in all crafting skill trees on my Sorcerersc and have all traits researched. It's a wrap for my Hardy Potter and Quan Chi dreams. Magicka Dragonknight and Magicka Templar bandwagon, here I come!

I take it you havent tried vMA with a stamina toon that does not have vigor unlocked =P
And if you think magDK is better off than magSorc..... MagDK might be better in group but solo wise, sorc is still better.

Meh. PvE mag DK is much much better than mag sorc. PvP not so much. Prox nerf hurt mag DK a lot.

Acrolas wrote: »

that should actually be "re-roll nightblade and gank anyone who says L2P, sorc"

What can nightblades do better than sorcs outside of ganking these days?

Nifty2g

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So like... As we all know, I Sorcerers were nerfed heavily or changed/tweaked so to speak with the DB DLC. And well, things are much worse than I imagined. You see, I didn't really take it that seriously on PC/Mac, because for starters – I tend to feel things are much easier on PC/Mac. I don't know, but I just perform overall much better over there. On PS4, I'm not quite there yet. So things aren't as "smooth" as they could be. And after attempting VMA, I can finally understand the mass swarm of complaint threads. I mean I understood it then, but more so now. Sorcerers are dead. D-E-A-D. Even with my pet build, VMA felt like a ridiculous uphill battle. The "typical build" for Sorcerers made things feel even worse. What in the world have you done, devs? Seriously. What the Hell have you all done, with that change to Surge and shields!?

Dude... I'm not touching my Sorcerers now on both platforms, unless I need things crafted. Good thing I got my crafting to 50 in all crafting skill trees on my Sorcerersc and have all traits researched. It's a wrap for my Hardy Potter and Quan Chi dreams. Magicka Dragonknight and Magicka Templar bandwagon, here I come!

I wouldn't say going from 6 seconds from 20 second shield stacking is "nerfed heavily"

If you want to jump a bandwagon, join the Stamina DK club, I'm currently finishing mine up

Archmage1

Sorcs are worse, and not fun to play anymore. Very sad...

Robbmrp

My wife hasn't come across anything she couldn't do prior to this update on her Sorc. She doesn't do VMSA as we don't have that kind of time though.

Reevster

Not another one lol.

Sorcs shields were too OPed and players got used to having endless shields and didn't bother or have to work on their 'defense" outside of shield stacking, now you do, are you honestly telling me you cant beef up your defensive gear/skills a bit ?

Most of these so called "skilled" Sorcs have lived inside the blue bubble for too long.

I have a Sorc and he runs just fine with the changes, with a bit of defensive tweeking.

tist

I ran VMA first time on PC yesterday and had no major issues on my sorc. I feel the surge healing is adequate considering it procs more often and the heals are 4k crits. The shield duration is annoying when you want to prep for a wave so you essentially just need to dps something down as fast as possible to avoid getting bursted. I have 300 CP and finished on average 1hour 30 minutes.. so thinking this will be easier for those with 500CP. I used to do this on console in an hour or so with 500 CP but I was a bit rusty as well.. As far as I know other sorcs are still doing decently well.

DocFrost72

I never liked the feeling of Sorcs in ESO, my first toon ever was a breton magicka sorc. He's cooling his heels at the moment while I scourge all of tamriel on my stamplar.

I have thought of revisiting my sorc to try it again, but reading this and some other changes...meh, I may try Mtemplar instead

FearlessOne_2014

I've still been on my campaign to level more and more classes and builds. Yes both of my sorcerers have been side lined since DLC acutally before DLC because I was leveling other classes. Maybe instead of the usually L2P thing some are throwing around like candy on these forums, maybe all sorcerers should just sideline their sorcerers and re roll another competitive class. If your thing is competing then why would you continue to use C grade items to preform at S class competitions, it's just going to lead to headaches.

So while getting all of the skyshards to include the ones not locked behind enemies gates in Cyrodiil, doing both the harborage and main questline, gathering all of the lorebooks, and completing many of the dolmen. My last toon which is now maxed level took the longest at 8 days to level to max level.

Now I have 7 Max Level characters, up from just the two Sorcerers I had about 2 months ago. I'm finding I'm having to learn the classes but that's ok once I've learned them I'll be competitive no matter which way ZOS turns it's meta. Oh and btw don't level you new characters without at least a full set of training armor and training weapons.

Still need to level up my Stamplar and mDK but that'll be next month as I'm burnt out on leveling characters. All I'm saying is that Maxing out a character has never be easier. You should try it.

imenace

havent tried pvp but the first run of vma in DB was a flawless, things havent changed at all for me in vma. still getting 510k runs almost everytime

NateAssassin

Acrolas wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

So I guess that's you standing next to the game board?

That's my stamina sorcerer. She cracked out six more CP in Old Orsinium today.

If you are implying that getting CP in Old Orsinium is a challenge, I've done the same on a level 3 Stamplar with no stamina abilities and no gear.

Vercingetorix

I feel your pain, man. 3000+ hours invested in my Altmer Sorc, now reduced to a Stamina Sorc with a (now) terrible race. I need Race Change now - not in August. If ZoS is going to make such devastating and impactful changes every 3 months, players NEED to be able to alter their characters to remain viable. In PvP, Sorcerers are just VD liabilities in combat.

The only magicka class that I run now is my Nightblade - the OP class with God-Tier passives that gives up nothing for its bonuses and can flawlessly switch between Stamina and Magicka with losing effectiveness.

Starting over from scratch and losing a bunch of achievements (many of which are incredibly lengthy or hard) every patch is not fun. That's the kind of thing that drives people away from the game.

Aeladiir

Sorcs are worse, but still viable. I was really nervous because of all the whining from PTS, but it's fine. Git gud gurl.

Hektik_V

vma is still super easy on a magicka sorc. I didn't even have my green CP's in my first run on my magicka sorc and it was still an hourish run.

Mureel

Acrolas wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

So I guess that's you standing next to the game board?

That's my stamina sorcerer. She cracked out six more CP in Old Orsinium today.

You're telling people L2P and still grinding CP?

bryanhaas

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So like... As we all know, I Sorcerers were nerfed heavily or changed/tweaked so to speak with the DB DLC. And well, things are much worse than I imagined. You see, I didn't really take it that seriously on PC/Mac, because for starters – I tend to feel things are much easier on PC/Mac. I don't know, but I just perform overall much better over there. On PS4, I'm not quite there yet. So things aren't as "smooth" as they could be. And after attempting VMA, I can finally understand the mass swarm of complaint threads. I mean I understood it then, but more so now. Sorcerers are dead. D-E-A-D. Even with my pet build, VMA felt like a ridiculous uphill battle. The "typical build" for Sorcerers made things feel even worse. What in the world have you done, devs? Seriously. What the Hell have you all done, with that change to Surge and shields!?

Dude... I'm not touching my Sorcerers now on both platforms, unless I need things crafted. Good thing I got my crafting to 50 in all crafting skill trees on my Sorcerersc and have all traits researched. It's a wrap for my Hardy Potter and Quan Chi dreams. Magicka Dragonknight and Magicka Templar bandwagon, here I come!

I don't know what the hell you are talking about, I jumped on my sorc to see how bad it was and it had me going huh I thought this was supposed to be nerfed? So why am I destroying stuff easier and not coming anywhere near dying? tried a VR16 norm dungeon last night and 2 manned it. Maybe it is L2P on your part seems just fine to me, in fact it honestly feels like a buff.

Van_0S

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So like... As we all know, I Sorcerers were nerfed heavily or changed/tweaked so to speak with the DB DLC. And well, things are much worse than I imagined. You see, I didn't really take it that seriously on PC/Mac, because for starters – I tend to feel things are much easier on PC/Mac. I don't know, but I just perform overall much better over there. On PS4, I'm not quite there yet. So things aren't as "smooth" as they could be. And after attempting VMA, I can finally understand the mass swarm of complaint threads. I mean I understood it then, but more so now. Sorcerers are dead. D-E-A-D. Even with my pet build, VMA felt like a ridiculous uphill battle. The "typical build" for Sorcerers made things feel even worse. What in the world have you done, devs? Seriously. What the Hell have you all done, with that change to Surge and shields!?

Dude... I'm not touching my Sorcerers now on both platforms, unless I need things crafted. Good thing I got my crafting to 50 in all crafting skill trees on my Sorcerersc and have all traits researched. It's a wrap for my Hardy Potter and Quan Chi dreams. Magicka Dragonknight and Magicka Templar bandwagon, here I come!

Play another game for a while till ZO$ decides to fix this and exploit/ cheat engine.