Current (and has been for awhile) pvp meta is boring

Caleum

I am the type of player who likes to solo. The only time I group is with my wife in pvp. This is a choice of mine, and I understand there will be times when the deck is stacked against me because of that decision. With that said, I really feel this game lacks in pvp action for those who like to solo or run with small groups. Pvp is controlled by the zerg ball. Very little skill, just have team speak, stack on crown, cast your mag det, and above all, stay in the ball. The side with the largest coordinated ball wins.

That type of pvp is boring as heck. I fully support that type of game play for people who enjoy it, but would ask if we could have any other options?

Lord_Hev

WTB 1.5

Zheg

Caleum wrote: »

I am the type of player who likes to solo. The only time I group is with my wife in pvp. This is a choice of mine, and I understand there will be times when the deck is stacked against me because of that decision. With that said, I really feel this game lacks in pvp action for those who like to solo or run with small groups. Pvp is controlled by the zerg ball. Very little skill, just have team speak, stack on crown, cast your mag det, and above all, stay in the ball. The side with the largest coordinated ball wins.

That type of pvp is boring as heck. I fully support that type of game play for people who enjoy it, but would ask if we could have any other options?

I agree with pieces. The prox det meta is old and stale, and I have big problems with one skill always being the deciding factor in group fights. As to the rest, I find your post to be overly simplistic and mostly inaccurate in the current meta. I get complaints about zerging and stacking when I have 12-15 in group with no allies around and we're fighting 60 enemies using siege and eating through camps like candy. I feel like it's easy (but inaccurate) to fall into the talking points about balls and zergs. Even the terrible groups are learning not to 'stay in the ball', you ball for the initial bomb, and then you spread out for the rest of the fight - before and afterwards. Any half decent group will obliterate you in this patch if all you ever do is stack on crown, so we need to stop these talking points, or at least find accurate ones.

As to your last point, it seems like you want arenas? Most people do and have been asking for them for a while.

Jaybe_Mawfaka

Solo pvp is dead - no competition, no challenge, just zergers everywhere around

susmitds

Zergs when limited to around 20 guys is fine. When it becomes 4-5 full groups that is when it is a pain.

incite

Arena and battlegrounds plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

NBrookus

Caleum wrote: »

I am the type of player who likes to solo. The only time I group is with my wife in pvp. This is a choice of mine, and I understand there will be times when the deck is stacked against me because of that decision. With that said, I really feel this game lacks in pvp action for those who like to solo or run with small groups.

The big fights can be fun too when they are evenly matched, but it would be nice to have some choices.

I think adding a 3rd CP campaign would help. Trueflame was an AD buff server, but there were small fights. The zergs went to TF when Azura's went no-CP, and the small groups went to Haderus. Now the word is out about relatively lag-free Haderus and there's nowhere left to go.

Ghostbane

#negate7

Minno

Join the ranks of the Breach-warrior Templars. Let the Troll flow through you...

Soris

Cyrodiil is a huge wasteland except near one or two keep. It's a huge wastage of all the terrain and textures we are waiting in loading screens to load in. Honestly it would be better if they just gave us that little circle contains of 6 emperor keeps. Maybe then we will have shorter loading screens right? No one ever giving a *** about rest of the map anyway.

Last night ive been doing skyshard hunting with my alt in trueflame at eu prime time, and hoping to see some people during this boring runs.. No any single sign of life seen. It was just me and my horse. After taking a couple of shards, I just ported to chalman, and im not lying around 300 people of each side were just battling there, lagging the *** out. People were putting camps one after one other, no one ever respawned in keeps to ride back in action. And that's the picture of Cyrodiil these days (and for too long), that there is only one big fight near some inner circle keep and the rest of the map is just dead empty. It's awful.

Hibbou

I love to gank a player on the nose of his fellow zerger, if I die, it doesn t matter to me at all, as long as he s dead, and if I survive, that s even better, I feel like a peacock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I09BR4RI1z8

What really annoys me are the camps, seriously, I spent my whole evening burning them, i think I mus have burned 10-15 of them >_< and while doing this, no AP

Eirella

Agree, this patch is the worst for me as a solo player, constantly getting run over by 20+ herds of people >_o

Xvorg

Jinxycat wrote: »

Agree, this patch is the worst for me as a solo player, constantly getting run over by 20+ herds of people >_o

TF?

Because when I want to farm AP I go there, but if I want a good fight, I go to Haderus

Eirella

Xvorg wrote: »

Jinxycat wrote: »

Agree, this patch is the worst for me as a solo player, constantly getting run over by 20+ herds of people >_o

TF?

Because when I want to farm AP I go there, but if I want a good fight, I go to Haderus

Yep TF! I haven't really checked out Haderus, maybe I'll take a look there and see how it is

kevlarto_ESO

I don't mind the groups this is an AVAVA game and the whole selling point was large battles, but the zergs are funny and must be boring for almost two years now if there is a bridge fight they push off the bridge go around the rock to the left and back on the bridge, I know they are just farming AP, but man they are scripted just as much as any npc in the game.

I run in a small group of friends 3 to 5 people most nights on guild pvp night we have a few more, gankers are funny they gank someone in the group and send hate tells for what they call being zerged down by 4 or 5 people, what do you think is going to happen when you attack a member of the group we are not just going to stand around, with our thumbs up our bungholes, you will be hunted down and eliminated, gankers are my content from time to time.

I dunno if I went to game that was designed for group combat that's what I would expect it to be, the game is really designed that way, I am not going to a game that has small scale pvp and queued mini games or 1v1 and complain that there is no large scale pvp, sometime I think people just picked the wrong game to play, they spend time trying to change the game to something it was never intended to be. I guess if and when small scale pvp comes to ESO if it kills cyrodiil, then folks like myself will be gone I have played years of small scale pvp been there done that bored with it.

Crispen_Longbow

NBrookus wrote: »

Caleum wrote: »

I am the type of player who likes to solo. The only time I group is with my wife in pvp. This is a choice of mine, and I understand there will be times when the deck is stacked against me because of that decision. With that said, I really feel this game lacks in pvp action for those who like to solo or run with small groups.

The big fights can be fun too when they are evenly matched, but it would be nice to have some choices.

I think adding a 3rd CP campaign would help. Trueflame was an AD buff server, but there were small fights. The zergs went to TF when Azura's went no-CP, and the small groups went to Haderus. Now the word is out about relatively lag-free Haderus and there's nowhere left to go.

I compiled this yesterday about Had. During the day it barely gets to 2 bar population level. Plenty of room for all in Had currently. Right now its 1/1/1 bar across the board. We really don't need another campaign.

NBrookus

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Caleum wrote: »

I am the type of player who likes to solo. The only time I group is with my wife in pvp. This is a choice of mine, and I understand there will be times when the deck is stacked against me because of that decision. With that said, I really feel this game lacks in pvp action for those who like to solo or run with small groups.

The big fights can be fun too when they are evenly matched, but it would be nice to have some choices.

I think adding a 3rd CP campaign would help. Trueflame was an AD buff server, but there were small fights. The zergs went to TF when Azura's went no-CP, and the small groups went to Haderus. Now the word is out about relatively lag-free Haderus and there's nowhere left to go.

I compiled this yesterday about Had. During the day it barely gets to 2 bar population level. Plenty of room for all in Had currently. Right now its 1/1/1 bar across the board. We really don't need another campaign.

Weekday afternoons are indeed quiet. I was on during most of that time frame; AD put up opposition down south but there were enough DC to push the north at the same time largely unopposed.

It's a whole different story on weekends. Or when DC's resident streamer logs on during prime time and his fans show up. Or DR (plus pugs, no doubt) starts running 20-30 deep in the evening. Everyone blobs up or you just get mowed over. And even if you do have a small fight going, crossed swords on the map are like a honeypot and the blob comes to you. It's nobody's fault; everyone is just looking for a fight they have a chance of winning.

Is Haderus healthier balance-wise than it was a few weeks ago? I think so, especially if some AD come back from wherever it is they went or are PvEing. But if you like to solo your options during prime time are basically ganking, capping resources or scouting and hope you find someone prepping a keep. Or you can zerg surf.

Battlegrounds and arenas are the long term solution, but a 3rd campaign as a pressure-relief value is something they can do now with little effort. No doubt it would be totally dead during the day and a buff server at night. Would it be so bad for people to have a quiet place to go to duel or have a guild event?

themdogesbite

People were saying early on already that unless something was done about AoE caps ball groups and large zergs would be way more prominent and somehting we would all have to deal with. Atleast we used to have counters in form of Ground oils and dynamic ultimate..

olsborg

I wish those crossed swords in cyrodiil (when there was a fight) only happened in large fights, currently if youre 2 ppl fighting 4 and winning, the opposing faction (dc eu) will always come zerging you down because they see small ava fights icon on map.

Bashev

themdogesbite wrote: »

People were saying early on already that unless something was done about AoE caps ball groups and large zergs would be way more prominent and somehting we would all have to deal with. Atleast we used to have counters in form of Ground oils and dynamic ultimate..

Bring back dynamic ultimate generation and ground oils. Make a passive in soul magic skill line "10% increased ultimate generation for every enemy in 8m radius around you". Sadly it will increase the server calculations.

RoamingRiverElk

Another vote for dynamic ultimate here.

Make Cyrodiil Great Again.

Ryuho

Cooldown on forward camps, like 10 minutes cooldown. Bring back ground oil! Reduce max group to 10 players.

PeggymoeXD

Lord_Hev wrote: »

WTB 1.5

I miss 1.5 magicka DK.

Wings, Whip, Whippeat.

EdTerra

I know that feeling, I'm 99% of time solo in cyro and I'm mad with the current pvp state
every fight is now like : hit one guy -> get crit rush*5 by his friends -> WB and breath of life fest -> dead

this patch turned me into a ganker without balls.

Ground oils and dynamic ultimate..

meh..

omgiztim

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I don't mind the groups this is an AVAVA game and the whole selling point was large battles, but the zergs are funny and must be boring for almost two years now if there is a bridge fight they push off the bridge go around the rock to the left and back on the bridge, I know they are just farming AP, but man they are scripted just as much as any npc in the game.

I run in a small group of friends 3 to 5 people most nights on guild pvp night we have a few more, gankers are funny they gank someone in the group and send hate tells for what they call being zerged down by 4 or 5 people, what do you think is going to happen when you attack a member of the group we are not just going to stand around, with our thumbs up our bungholes, you will be hunted down and eliminated, gankers are my content from time to time.

I dunno if I went to game that was designed for group combat that's what I would expect it to be, the game is really designed that way, I am not going to a game that has small scale pvp and queued mini games or 1v1 and complain that there is no large scale pvp, sometime I think people just picked the wrong game to play, they spend time trying to change the game to something it was never intended to be. I guess if and when small scale pvp comes to ESO if it kills cyrodiil, then folks like myself will be gone I have played years of small scale pvp been there done that bored with it.

I completely agree. This is big battle gaming. There are plenty of games with small PVP and dueling. If you wanted that, you should have gone to a different game. This game was designed for large battles and zergs. This is like DAOC. Only difference is in DAOC people actually did their builds to be group friendly and work as a team. I find too many people on this game build their character for solo pvp or dueling.

Master_Kas

EdTerra wrote: »

I know that feeling, I'm 99% of time solo in cyro and I'm mad with the current pvp state
every fight is now like : hit one guy -> get crit rush*5 by his friends -> WB and breath of life fest -> dead

this patch turned me into a ganker without balls.

Ground oils and dynamic ultimate..

meh..

So you basicly turned into me?

Wtb magicka nb from 1.5 and before.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

So you want to play solo in a MMO? Then cry when you can't? I don't understand this.

Junipus

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

So you want to play solo in a MMO? Then cry when you can't? I don't understand this.

Because you seemingly have the comprehension level of a sock.

Try again.

pcar944

and it doesn't matter where you go

IC is the same way, if there's a zergball, there's nothing you can do

so either struggle and continue playing solo, or start ganking, or join a zerg

kinda wish there was a passive mode like in GTA5, where you can go anywhere and do your quests, but you cant take part in capturing keeps - even going as far as not being able to see enemy players around you so you cant give feedback back to your guild/alliance

Sausage

I dont understand how we have come to this point, all good dmg skills are now instant, back in the days, focused aim, high dmg was to avoid, same wrecking blow easy to avoid, Crystal Sorc whatever skill but now they just kill you instantly and instant heal is now too.

It almost seems all these recent changes was made for VMA, that makes sense actually. So PVPerss are yet again on passengers seat. Thats it. All these changes was made for VMA.

Man I just need confirmation Conan Exiles is even half decent I sell/delete my chars and Ill leave for good.

Draxys

Sausage wrote: »

I dont understand how we have come to this point, all good dmg skills are now instant, back in the days, focused aim, high dmg was to avoid, same wrecking blow easy to avoid, Crystal Sorc whatever skill but now they just kill you instantly and instant heal is now too.

It almost seems all these recent changes was made for VMA, that makes sense actually. So PVPerss are yet again on passengers seat. Thats it. All these changes was made for VMA.

Man I just need confirmation Conan Exiles is even half decent I sell/delete my chars and Ill leave for good.

We got to this point because zos catered to the people that never bothered to attempt to understand game mechanics and class strengths/weaknesses, and instead they just bawled their eyes out until the devs caved.

And PC 1.0-1.6 was just console beta anyway.