Some questions about Blazing Shield build

chongguang

Hi guys , i know DB patch gives additional health to BS builds. My race is Imperial. I want to build one, but i really have some questions about it.

1. Is this build really good in pvp compare to magick Templar?
2. Can i use this one to pass vMA, no matter what the score is?
These are the most 2 important questions, please help me to find the answer.
Thanks guys.

Francescolg

Only, my personal opinion: I'm not willed to discuss

1. No, atm both suck, as single target DD/melee damage is (and has been for over a year now) over the top. Even if you spec heavily in health, the game does not reward you enough for going into HP. And even a 9-10k blazing shield is not enough for any 1 vs X szenario, if your opponents know how to play (10k+ basic attack dmg abilities, as Crystal Fragments and many, many more). I've tested even the undaunted absorb shield combined with blazing shield, immovable, war horn, empowered buff, 50+crit, very good mag/sta/hp regeneration, etc. etc.
It's a funny build but nothing else! Your damage won't really hurt, if opponents have decent equipment (resistances, etc.), although it can shine in some situations, as medium-sized battles, or against ae-/perma block-builds. (but, I'd say 70% of spec's in Cyrondil are weapon/spell dmg focused, so NO, as soon as they discover how to 'concentrate' dmg + dot + the right CC, which I won't tell here! One hard-CC form will disturb a Bombplar, as no other CC does, even if you keep spamming ritual + CC-breaking )

Blazing Shield would be strong without the pvp-buff. But the problem in this game is the sky-rocket-high instant damage, mainly from sorc/nb. Which is still way higher than a 50k hp Templar with a 9k blazing shield can handle. You can survive any 1v1 as Bomplar, but in 3 out of 4 battles it gets boring!

2. Maelstrom Arena won't work because of the same problem: too high DD dmg inc... Maybe someone else, made positive experiences with a Bomplar in VMA. I'd love to hear about!

What happened to Templars and their beloved Blazing Shield, that is one of the reasons that makes me wish that Mr. W. changes his profession as a game developer...

Minno

The build excels in group scenario, especially during keep seiges where you'll park yourself in breaches. Also I've run into well defended keeps and pushed the enemy enough to allow my teammates to gain a foot hold.

Essentially it's a tank build, that relies on the enemy to hit you for consistent dmg output. But as a tank you should be annoying your enemy or confusing them into attacking you.

It plays different from magicka Templar and you'll have to try it to determine if you like it.

vpadget9592b14_ESO

I play a 68k health Argonian Blazing shield Templar.....and let me tell you, it's fun as allllllllll hellllll. I can jump inside a zero whether they in tower, breach or in open and just cause so much havoc. There is never a shortage of someone dark flaring, sniping, aoe blasting or getting ice comets to bounce back at your enemies. If no one is attacking me I slap guard on anyone getting ganked and the fun starts all over. If no one near me I look for someone getting focused and I either Jesus beam them or hit them with a three second vamp stun. Fun fun fun. I also lay down negates to enemy zergs when they are all vets to smart to hit me, allowing my team to round em up and lay some spankage. Bottom line is Blazing shield is alive and well and if tanking, exploding holes in enemy lines and assisting teammates with negates, stuns and guard is down your ally then jump on board. Also slap a 5 piece jewelry sword sword and board vicious death on top of your build and watch them drop even faster.

ajaxtheboss

@vpadget9592b14_ESO

What sets are you running? Hearing about an Argonian hitting 68k health seems super promising, I have a Redguard Templar but having a switch of gear to go Bombplar in PvP would be awesome. I'm not really into making a whole separate account just for PvP

I've seen Blazing Shield crit for around 10-11k, does this build do identical dmg?

How about sustain? With 68k health, i'm sure you won't have truckloads of regen, but can you survive vs a group? Or when you run out of magicka you're toast? Thanks again, super interested in Bombplars.

Draxys

ajaxtheboss wrote: »

@vpadget9592b14_ESO

What sets are you running? Hearing about an Argonian hitting 68k health seems super promising, I have a Redguard Templar but having a switch of gear to go Bombplar in PvP would be awesome. I'm not really into making a whole separate account just for PvP

I've seen Blazing Shield crit for around 10-11k, does this build do identical dmg?

How about sustain? With 68k health, i'm sure you won't have truckloads of regen, but can you survive vs a group? Or when you run out of magicka you're toast? Thanks again, super interested in Bombplars.

You should ask @IxSTALKERxI , master of troll/niche builds

ajaxtheboss

Ooh, alright. Same questions to you @IxSTALKERxI if you don't mind. I love my Stamplar for PvP, but if I can hit decent stats with a not so good race i'm more then willing to give it a shot.

psychotic13

Is there an ideal race for this build? I was thinking argonian with the new update so I can switch between this and a healer if need be.

IxSTALKERxI

I don't think a Blazing shield build would be as enjoyable on a redguard. It would still work but you really have to min max to see it's full potential. Like, it would work but it just wouldn't be as good. You definitely want 500 CP to.

The build itself it strong, but your stamplar will be better for your usual outnumbered senario's as you can control the fight a lot better. The build is really good in very large fights, particually if you don't have a large group and you're assisting your factions pugzerg. You can operate siege on zergs and if you get targeted you can survive, if you get swarmed by a bunch of potato's they'll die. A few good players with CC and co-ordinated burst can take you down quite easily though.

I did it on an imperial templar but i'm thinking argonian could be a better choice with the changes next update. If you get bored of the build you could always switch to a really strong healing build if you had an argonian.

I suggest trying it on you redguard first, then if you enjoy it a lot look into leveling up a new toon. There are race changes next update, but it would be nice to keep the redguard for when you wanna do stamplar.


Here's a calculator you can try out:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor

So far I've found it's pretty accurate with calculating stats.

You want to aim for 55k+ health and 2500+ magicka regen. Throw in the malubeth 2 piece if you can for some extra cheese.

IxSTALKERxI

psychotic13 wrote: »

Is there an ideal race for this build? I was thinking argonian with the new update so I can switch between this and a healer if need be.

lol I just read your comment after I posted. Yeah you are thinking correct.

vpadget9592b14_ESO

You don't need 500 CP to make this work but does help. I hit top 10 in Haderus no problem and I'm not even grouped. I use 5 piece armor master, 3 piece jewelry fassallas, 2 piece sword and board endurance on both bars along with the cheese Malubeth set. I run all impenetrable. All magic regeneration on jewelry and robust also. The impenetrable is for when shields go down fast in zergs you have survivability till you get them back. I use the food/drink that gives 5k health and 500 regeneration magic giving me 2k magic regeneration . My race is argonian and does amazing. I use mana pots to keep the magic flowing when in intense 1v20 fights on bridge or tower fighting. My aim is to take as many down before I die...getting 2k to 8k ap before dying. Which solo per bombing run is great. If I wipe them on flag it's double. My bar is Blazing shield, entropy(health one), absorb magic (sword and shield one to keep health up), immovable, radiant magelight( for crits and less cc on me from Nbs). I run barrier for it for extra magic regeneration and single/team bubble. Alt bar has all the same except magelight is radiant destruction to finish low health fleeing players and the vamp attack instead of absorb for fthat big tick healing when near death and also stunning players so to allow bubble to proc on em or other players to wail on them. I use the mindus that gives crit chance increase( thief I think?) To round up my crit chance. More crit more burst DPS. Crit is key since we are limited to low magic. Only time I die is to teams of veterans smart enough to ALL go range and poison injection me, radiant destruction, and out right whiddle me with spam. Oh almost forgot I don't have blazing Shield on back bar so there's one flex spot. I use a gap closer there to stick to one target like glue till he's dead. Shield charge works great since it gives you a fat shield and stunning. Also if you can use disease or slow movement poison on weapon works great in smaller battles. Back bar ult is flex. If I had ice comet it would be so awesome. But the sweeping ult in Templar line works amazing in large zergs as it reduces Inc damage which helps to survive longer. Also the flex could be evasion against large groups...dodging is op and helps vs 15-20 guys for you to sustain. I cannot stress enough. Blazing shield rocks. It's fun and you get great laughs. I would love to get 4 other templars running with me to just sit on a bridge and troll lol. Swap out weapons and jewelry for vicious death to add some more spice. Although I haven't proven bs procs vd yet. Still testing.

vpadget9592b14_ESO

ajaxtheboss wrote: »

@vpadget9592b14_ESO

What sets are you running? Hearing about an Argonian hitting 68k health seems super promising, I have a Redguard Templar but having a switch of gear to go Bombplar in PvP would be awesome. I'm not really into making a whole separate account just for PvP

I've seen Blazing Shield crit for around 10-11k, does this build do identical dmg?

How about sustain? With 68k health, i'm sure you won't have truckloads of regen, but can you survive vs a group? Or when you run out of magicka you're toast? Thanks again, super interested in Bombplars.

Forgot to answer does it do 10-11k. Yes. 11.8k consistently. Even my normal attacks hit for that when enough enemies near or hit enough.

Unsent.Soul

Not a useless necro..

is blazing considered by any means a channeling skill? 2nd if it is a channeling skill, if it is (probably not....) it will work with cyrdoil's light 5 piece.

Now I just need shield of cyrodil's light, which I assume doesn't drop yet, at least not till UPDATE 12.

Baconlad

It used to be scaled higher from thaimaturge, they nerfed that. So it does not get stronger with thaumaturge anymore. I have gotten mine to hit highest in cyrodil for 14k. Mind you that's with 70-80k health buffed with warhorn. My base shield at that high health is 15k. Scaling to 18k in a zerg. It also proccs burning light...i run soul assault on my main bar so that when my health drops to 20% health I get the soul shatter passive to proc (which scales with health) to hit for basically an extra blazing shield for free. I've gotten a ton on kills with soul shatter...bats or warhorn on off bar, depending on if I get friendly heals or not

Baconlad

VD does in fact proc by blazing shield. Problem in PvP is the sacrifice to use it. You have to drop a TON of health.

Unsent.Soul

Baconlad wrote: »

VD does in fact proc by blazing shield. Problem in PvP is the sacrifice to use it. You have to drop a TON of health.

I know VD does. Was quite effective in pvp recently. With 5pc VD, 5 pc black rose, 2 pc mal. I can have health at 51.7k and magicka at 19k. Room to build upon but we 3 manned for most of the night and I racked in tons of AP.

My main curiosity is if BS is a channel and if cyrodil light drops a shield. I may stick with VD but I've been searching for the perfect set to pair with rose 5pc and mal 2 piece. I've been wanting to go with Bloodspawn for when the shield isn't active but haven't recieved the right traits.

@Baconlad I've heard your the "go to" for insight on a BS build. Any insight is appreciated.

psychotic13

The new plague doctor set will be awesome for this build, the 5pc gives like 6k health

Baconlad

With these sets it will be possible for an imperial to reach upwards of 90k health. At 19% of that?....thats alot of shield and alot of boom...in pve as a matter of fact it will be so much shield that not many mobs will be able to break it, causing low damage...i have learned that in these situations you can actually die to a pack of large enough mobs due to this...strange I know

Brutusmax1mus

my imperial runs 74k with battle spirit i believe. New sets will increase that, but the point of this build is to have bs up non stop. You need 2.4k regen to be able to down it every second, or just about. I normally drop some health for other stats even in getting serious though. You only need about 60k hp.

1v1 if the person is an idiot and keeps attacking bc you'll probably win. If they don't, you don't kill them ever.

Shines in group play. I've killed 4 people attacking me in about 4 seconds with constant 10k hits. There is a hidden cap to its damage though. My hits when hitting several people with it are often the same as crits. Tons of fun.

I recommend running immovable and pots so you've got no down time bc from cc. If you don't do that then run reactive set and that will help when youre ccd

Baconlad

Health, vitality pots are a must.