Skill Bar: 8 vs 5 slots?

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Would you like to see an increase in the Skill Bar slots, from 5 to 8?
Making it 9 (With the special which name I forgot).

Als, 2nd bar for Pots?

psychotic13

No, I like that it's 5, you have to put thought into what's going to work into you. Besides having that many abilities you're regen wouldnt be able to handle it.

KoreanAwtamatic

What I would like is the option to make the ultimate bar swappable with a skill

Luigi_Vampa

No. I like the limited skill bar. Also, the game would need major rebalancing to account for how many more buffs everyone could run.

Acsvf

No.

Oakmontowls_ESO

Also keep in mind that the 5 skill bars were designed with console players in mind and any increases in skills would not work for them.

Anzriel

I wouldn't be opposed to the idea personally, but I don't think the devs have any intention of ever changing the number of skill slots. I think that's just how they intended things to be, and it has both advantages and disadvantages to it.

NolaArch

I could take one more, but more than that would be unreachable for me on the keyboard the way it's setup now; there is no way I can relearn my setup without doing a better job with a faceroll at this point.

Mojmir

yes,at least 1-2 more or allow more skill bars during combat.

DaveMoeDee

It won't happen because the game needs to work with gamepads. There already aren't enough buttons on gamepads for the game.

phaneub17_ESO

I like to have 1 passive slot that can't be actively used. Anything you put in there will grant you the "while slotted" bonus, but you can't cast the ability. Things like Magelight or Expert Hunter, if you never plan to use the active detection ability while still wanting the crit bonus. No, you can't put a pet in there or a toggle, those still require you to activate them first to be usable.

Silver_Strider

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

It won't happen because the game needs to work with gamepads. There already aren't enough buttons on gamepads for the game.

There are ways around a button limit and other MMOs with gamepad options have proven this.

Waffennacht

And how would this work for console? Hrm?

Vaoh

No.... no no no no no. Would 100% change up the game in every aspect. Everything would change drastically balance-wise.

I love throwing out ideas, but this is not one that could ever work in ESO.

Console couldn't even find room to configure skills to buttons in a reasonable manner.

Mojmir

Doncellius wrote: »

No.... no no no no no. Would 100% change up the game in every aspect. Everything would change drastically balance-wise.

I love throwing out ideas, but this is not one that could ever work in ESO.

Console couldn't even find room to configure skills to buttons in a reasonable manner.

replace it with your horse button,speed is nerfed anyways

Silver_Strider

Waffennacht wrote: »

And how would this work for console? Hrm?

The same way it works in most other MMOs on Console, with you holding either the Left or Right Trigger buttons and clicking a corresponding button for the specific skill.
Example:

RT + Circle = Funnel Health
RT + X = Sap Essence
RT + Triangle = Impale
RT + Square = Dark Cloak
LT + Circle = Concealed Weapon
LT + X = Manifestation of Terror
LT + Triangle = Lotus Fan
LT + Square = Merciless Resolve

It really isn't as hard as people make it sound honestly.

STEVIL

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Would you like to see an increase in the Skill Bar slots, from 5 to 8?
Making it 9 (With the special which name I forgot).

Als, 2nd bar for Pots?

no.

no

IMX, training with 5+1 bars is likely as much as i can manage. I think historically there is some basis for 3-5 as human input efficiency max.

Truthfully, it usually winds up being 3 maybe 4 with 1-2 special case slots that i layout on my chars. Some exceptions sure, but mostly I dont run a full 5 slots in rotation as well as i run 3 slots in rotation with 1-2 for once in a while.

8+1 would be too much.

more potions slots (quickslots) aren't needed. But i would be open to assigning key-clicks to the various quickslots (some add-ons do.)

YMMV

Armitas

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Would you like to see an increase in the Skill Bar slots, from 5 to 8?
Making it 9 (With the special which name I forgot).

Als, 2nd bar for Pots?

That would give us 16 skill slots. We could walk around with every class skill plus one extra. That would eliminate any concept of unique builds.

The special one is your Ultimate slot.

Turelus

I'm happy with the five skills, it's one of the few places left where builds and choices matter.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

OOOH, wow guys, you all actually think the same for once.

Congratulations, never expected a unanimous thought pattern here.

Well, it was just an idea... I did not see any harm in it, really.

As for pads, combine keystrokes works, I heard?

But hey, as said, just an idea.

Armitas wrote: »

That would give us 16 skill slots. We could walk around with every class skill plus one extra. That would eliminate any concept of unique builds.

!) with "second bar" I meant the potion bar. Which i CLEARLY stated, brother.
2) Unique builds are already impossible, we're being forced to play their way, proof of this was a once viable but insane "build" I used for PvP and which got neutered. ZoS is taking care of unique builds, they do not like this at all.

Arthg

No.

It'd be a different game.

ADarklore

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

And how would this work for console? Hrm?

The same way it works in most other MMOs on Console, with you holding either the Left or Right Trigger buttons and clicking a corresponding button for the specific skill.
Example:

RT + Circle = Funnel Health
RT + X = Sap Essence
RT + Triangle = Impale
RT + Square = Dark Cloak
LT + Circle = Concealed Weapon
LT + X = Manifestation of Terror
LT + Triangle = Lotus Fan
LT + Square = Merciless Resolve

It really isn't as hard as people make it sound honestly.

And how would this work when the triggers are currently configured for block and attack and held together equals 'interrupt' or 'break free'?!?

Armitas

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

!) with "second bar" I meant the potion bar. Which i CLEARLY stated, brother.

We have two action bars if you increase it from 5 to 8 then that makes 16.

Silver_Strider

ADarklore wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

And how would this work for console? Hrm?

The same way it works in most other MMOs on Console, with you holding either the Left or Right Trigger buttons and clicking a corresponding button for the specific skill.
Example:

RT + Circle = Funnel Health
RT + X = Sap Essence
RT + Triangle = Impale
RT + Square = Dark Cloak
LT + Circle = Concealed Weapon
LT + X = Manifestation of Terror
LT + Triangle = Lotus Fan
LT + Square = Merciless Resolve

It really isn't as hard as people make it sound honestly.

And how would this work when the triggers are currently configured for block and attack and held together equals 'interrupt' or 'break free'?!?

It was just an example of how it would work. Change it to LB and RB and it would still be the same concept.

Cryptical

ADarklore wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

And how would this work for console? Hrm?

The same way it works in most other MMOs on Console, with you holding either the Left or Right Trigger buttons and clicking a corresponding button for the specific skill.
Example:

RT + Circle = Funnel Health
RT + X = Sap Essence
RT + Triangle = Impale
RT + Square = Dark Cloak
LT + Circle = Concealed Weapon
LT + X = Manifestation of Terror
LT + Triangle = Lotus Fan
LT + Square = Merciless Resolve

It really isn't as hard as people make it sound honestly.

And how would this work when the triggers are currently configured for block and attack and held together equals 'interrupt' or 'break free'?!?

Change the base config.

I've got a gap closer, an area attack, a spammable attack, a buff and a heal - then an ultimate. Stabbing my left thumb rightward to bar swap while my right hand is swerving the camera to aim while my left hand is also maneuvering around ends up drinking a potion too many times.

I would really enjoy being able to have javelin on Y and shards on LT+Y. Have sweeps on B and BoL on LT+B. Have charge on X and purifying ritual on LT+X.

We can't bar swap immediately, we have to demonstrate a basic command of one bar of skills before a second bar opens up. This dual button mechanic could be a third bar available to all - and opens up at level 40 or 45.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Armitas wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

!) with "second bar" I meant the potion bar. Which i CLEARLY stated, brother.

We have two action bars if you increase it from 5 to 8 then that makes 16.

Yes.
Idea was to kill the "alternate" or secondary build per character, so each has one build only.
That bar then would be free for -and designated to- potions/food/drink.

DaveMoeDee

Silver_Strider wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

It won't happen because the game needs to work with gamepads. There already aren't enough buttons on gamepads for the game.

There are ways around a button limit and other MMOs with gamepad options have proven this.

People already have problems with current mappings and you want to make it more complex? I don't think ESO needs that. If that is what you are focused on, play an MMO designed for that.

Silver_Strider

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

It won't happen because the game needs to work with gamepads. There already aren't enough buttons on gamepads for the game.

There are ways around a button limit and other MMOs with gamepad options have proven this.

People already have problems with current mappings and you want to make it more complex? I don't think ESO needs that. If that is what you are focused on, play an MMO designed for that.

I am neither for nor against the notion of adding more hotbar space.
I am simply explaining that it is possible to add more skills, without needing more buttons. As someone that came from FF14, where a single hotbar consisted of 16 skills and there was a total of 8 hotbars at your disposal, I find it very hard to believe that ESO's much more simplistic mapping system is difficult to manage. Not saying it's not possible but I just find it hard to believe

leepalmer95

5 and a ult per bar is fine.

You can't have everything, every build i make on all classes i have to give up a skill for another depending on what i need.

With an extra 6 skills there will be 0 skill diversity, everyone can slot everything.

notimetocare

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I like to have 1 passive slot that can't be actively used. Anything you put in there will grant you the "while slotted" bonus, but you can't cast the ability. Things like Magelight or Expert Hunter, if you never plan to use the active detection ability while still wanting the crit bonus. No, you can't put a pet in there or a toggle, those still require you to activate them first to be usable.

Interesting thought, would be nice if it worked for pets as well though

Mojmir

I'd be happy with 1-2 skills added to the bar