How ZOS could add children to Tamriel...

Zorgon_The_Revenged

No

ADarklore

Here is the problem... people want 'more content' yet expect the devs to devote days, weeks or months to creating children, adding animations and then adding them to all the zones across Tamriel- that's a HUGE undertaking.

Second, do you know how much taxing of resources this would do to an already stressed system by adding even more NPCs and animations?!?

Sorry, I'd rather have ZOS work on fixing the numerous bugs in the game and continuing to add more CONTENT... sorry but adding children is the lowest of low on my wish list.

Cryptical

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is the problem... people want 'more content' yet expect the devs to devote days, weeks or months to creating children, adding animations and then adding them to all the zones across Tamriel- that's a HUGE undertaking.

Second, do you know how much taxing of resources this would do to an already stressed system by adding even more NPCs and animations?!?

Sorry, I'd rather have ZOS work on fixing the numerous bugs in the game and continuing to add more CONTENT... sorry but adding children is the lowest of low on my wish list.

Not really. They don't invent an entirely new npc body to make people in a new zone - they already have the wireframe meshes and can just reuse existing.

Kids can just be scaled down of existing frames. Use the male mesh for both because puberty hasn't happened, scale down by 50% for the body but only by maybe 20% or 15% for the head because human heads are closer to full size earlier in life. Clothe them in scaled versions of some adult robes and jerkin/breeches, because believe it or not kids wear the same sorts of things their parents wear. Making a cast of kids can be pulled off in a week, by working off existing completed visual material.

Here's the thing - it is not reinventing the wheel, it's modular and reuses existing forms. Coding has been modular for decades, even BASIC from the 1980's had GOSUB/RETURN to use the same code over and over.

The time consumer on adding kids would be the voice acting. Recording the new kid voice content, and adapting the existing voice content for parents. The adding of them to the world can be done piecemeal, over time.

This is not the monumental task you seem to think it is.

Gidorick

Zorgon_The_Revenged wrote: »

No

Yes.

Gidorick

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is the problem... people want 'more content' yet expect the devs to devote days, weeks or months to creating children, adding animations and then adding them to all the zones across Tamriel- that's a HUGE undertaking.

Second, do you know how much taxing of resources this would do to an already stressed system by adding even more NPCs and animations?!?

Sorry, I'd rather have ZOS work on fixing the numerous bugs in the game and continuing to add more CONTENT... sorry but adding children is the lowest of low on my wish list.

I love how people are just accepting that ESOs engine is sub standard and are fine with the development of the game suffering for it.

My suggestion would involve the addition of a new DLC, a new zone, a new Daedric Realm, possibly adding mount & mounted combat and the possibility of adding the ability to make mixed race children characters.

If that's not CONTENT then I'd love to know what is @ADarklore .

Lysette

I want a switch - to be able to switch them off - I have no interest to have to deal with children, where parents have failed to teach them manners - I do as well not want to hear babies cry - I had that for long enough in my life - never again.

ForsakenSin

That sounds pretty good however for some reason all i keep on seeing is "tentacles"

LOL

Acrolas

All the children are in zone chat.

Because in this bizarro world, children should be heard but not seen.

ADarklore

Gidorick wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is the problem... people want 'more content' yet expect the devs to devote days, weeks or months to creating children, adding animations and then adding them to all the zones across Tamriel- that's a HUGE undertaking.

Second, do you know how much taxing of resources this would do to an already stressed system by adding even more NPCs and animations?!?

Sorry, I'd rather have ZOS work on fixing the numerous bugs in the game and continuing to add more CONTENT... sorry but adding children is the lowest of low on my wish list.

I love how people are just accepting that ESOs engine is sub standard and are fine with the development of the game suffering for it.

My suggestion would involve the addition of a new DLC, a new zone, a new Daedric Realm, possibly adding mount & mounted combat and the possibility of adding the ability to make mixed race children characters.

If that's not CONTENT then I'd love to know what is @ADarklore .

Some people like the game 'as is' and don't need additional 'fluff' added simply because a few people want some added 'realism' even though it could, and no doubt would, seriously impact the game. They're not going to devote resources just to appease a small number of people by creating a 'new zone' just to add children. Ideas are one thing, reality is another. If ZOS didn't add children originally, they're certainly not going to go back and change that once the ship has already sailed.

Volkodav

Mojmir wrote: »

Mady wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

no children exist in any of the towns in any of the provinces in any of the lands of Tamriel.

WTF.... I never realized that there are no children in the game (playing since beta lol).

We seriously need children!

we have enough in game and on the forums,and the looped scripted messages they would have if they were added into the game....no thank you.

Huh? What scripted messages would Child NPCs have?? I dont get it.

Abeille wrote: »

I prefer them to be added with no explanation, and for the npcs that were supposed to be children to begin with to be converted to children. I'm talking about the quests involving families where the parents talk about their sons and daughters (usually daughters) as if they were "only children", but they actually look to be about the same age as their parents.

I will accept that change as a fix that has everything to do with the game's mechanics and nothing to do with the lore.

And yes, make them unkillable just like all the merchants and quest npcs in the game who can't be attacked already.

This was my thought.How can we rescue children that arent children.I understand they mean teenage,or even older "sons" and "daughters",but it just seems odd that this is a world of grown ups only.How did they get grown up? I said in an earlier comment that were they just sprung to life fully grown,like a Taltos?

Gidorick

ADarklore wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is the problem... people want 'more content' yet expect the devs to devote days, weeks or months to creating children, adding animations and then adding them to all the zones across Tamriel- that's a HUGE undertaking.

Second, do you know how much taxing of resources this would do to an already stressed system by adding even more NPCs and animations?!?

Sorry, I'd rather have ZOS work on fixing the numerous bugs in the game and continuing to add more CONTENT... sorry but adding children is the lowest of low on my wish list.

I love how people are just accepting that ESOs engine is sub standard and are fine with the development of the game suffering for it.

My suggestion would involve the addition of a new DLC, a new zone, a new Daedric Realm, possibly adding mount & mounted combat and the possibility of adding the ability to make mixed race children characters.

If that's not CONTENT then I'd love to know what is @ADarklore .

Some people like the game 'as is' and don't need additional 'fluff' added simply because a few people want some added 'realism' even though it could, and no doubt would, seriously impact the game. They're not going to devote resources just to appease a small number of people by creating a 'new zone' just to add children. Ideas are one thing, reality is another. If ZOS didn't add children originally, they're certainly not going to go back and change that once the ship has already sailed.

Choices are made in development to add certain things and not add certain things @ADarklore , The Justice System is a GREAT example. They added that later. Why? I assume it's because they didn't have time in initial development to add them.

The difference is adding gameplay opportunities. What gameplay opportunities would children add to ESO?

Well, of the top of my head they could be subjects of rescue for Fighter's Guild Dailies or they could be used as "Guild Initiates" that the player trains as part of other quests.

But mostly? They are GREAT narrative devices.

It's always good to remember one man's fluff is another man's fire.

Besides, ZOS is going to need some pretty unique narrative if they are going to keep people interested... because as @ParaNostram put it here (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/269347/formulaic-dlc-story)

ParaNostram wrote: »

... (there is) a sort of fill in the blanks set up with the overarching story of the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood?
"Here is the once great organization of ____! They're being set upon by ____! Go find out information on the mysterious ____! What's that? They're ___!?!? Better go invade their compound!"

We can only play THAT story so many times before it gets old.

Abeille

ADarklore wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is the problem... people want 'more content' yet expect the devs to devote days, weeks or months to creating children, adding animations and then adding them to all the zones across Tamriel- that's a HUGE undertaking.

Second, do you know how much taxing of resources this would do to an already stressed system by adding even more NPCs and animations?!?

Sorry, I'd rather have ZOS work on fixing the numerous bugs in the game and continuing to add more CONTENT... sorry but adding children is the lowest of low on my wish list.

I love how people are just accepting that ESOs engine is sub standard and are fine with the development of the game suffering for it.

My suggestion would involve the addition of a new DLC, a new zone, a new Daedric Realm, possibly adding mount & mounted combat and the possibility of adding the ability to make mixed race children characters.

If that's not CONTENT then I'd love to know what is @ADarklore .

Some people like the game 'as is' and don't need additional 'fluff' added simply because a few people want some added 'realism' even though it could, and no doubt would, seriously impact the game. They're not going to devote resources just to appease a small number of people by creating a 'new zone' just to add children. Ideas are one thing, reality is another. If ZOS didn't add children originally, they're certainly not going to go back and change that once the ship has already sailed.

Oh I remember when people said the exact same thing about armor dyes...

Although I agree that wanting a new zone/DLC just to add children is too much. They should just be added on a patch with no questions asked, just like a fix.

Gidorick

Abeille wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is the problem... people want 'more content' yet expect the devs to devote days, weeks or months to creating children, adding animations and then adding them to all the zones across Tamriel- that's a HUGE undertaking.

Second, do you know how much taxing of resources this would do to an already stressed system by adding even more NPCs and animations?!?

Sorry, I'd rather have ZOS work on fixing the numerous bugs in the game and continuing to add more CONTENT... sorry but adding children is the lowest of low on my wish list.

I love how people are just accepting that ESOs engine is sub standard and are fine with the development of the game suffering for it.

My suggestion would involve the addition of a new DLC, a new zone, a new Daedric Realm, possibly adding mount & mounted combat and the possibility of adding the ability to make mixed race children characters.

If that's not CONTENT then I'd love to know what is @ADarklore .

Some people like the game 'as is' and don't need additional 'fluff' added simply because a few people want some added 'realism' even though it could, and no doubt would, seriously impact the game. They're not going to devote resources just to appease a small number of people by creating a 'new zone' just to add children. Ideas are one thing, reality is another. If ZOS didn't add children originally, they're certainly not going to go back and change that once the ship has already sailed.

Oh I remember when people said the exact same thing about armor dyes...

Although I agree that wanting a new zone/DLC just to add children is too much. They should just be added on a patch with no questions asked, just like a fix.

I agree with that @Abeille . I would be fine with them just being added with no mention of where they were or that they weren't there before. That's why I included that in my OP.

The DLC concept was pretty much me thinking about a DLC narrative I would enjoy that involves saving the children of Tamriel and taking ZOS' throwaway line for a little imaginative ride.

Volkodav

Abeille wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is the problem... people want 'more content' yet expect the devs to devote days, weeks or months to creating children, adding animations and then adding them to all the zones across Tamriel- that's a HUGE undertaking.

Second, do you know how much taxing of resources this would do to an already stressed system by adding even more NPCs and animations?!?

Sorry, I'd rather have ZOS work on fixing the numerous bugs in the game and continuing to add more CONTENT... sorry but adding children is the lowest of low on my wish list.

I love how people are just accepting that ESOs engine is sub standard and are fine with the development of the game suffering for it.

My suggestion would involve the addition of a new DLC, a new zone, a new Daedric Realm, possibly adding mount & mounted combat and the possibility of adding the ability to make mixed race children characters.

If that's not CONTENT then I'd love to know what is @ADarklore .

Some people like the game 'as is' and don't need additional 'fluff' added simply because a few people want some added 'realism' even though it could, and no doubt would, seriously impact the game. They're not going to devote resources just to appease a small number of people by creating a 'new zone' just to add children. Ideas are one thing, reality is another. If ZOS didn't add children originally, they're certainly not going to go back and change that once the ship has already sailed.

Oh I remember when people said the exact same thing about armor dyes...

Although I agree that wanting a new zone/DLC just to add children is too much. They should just be added on a patch with no questions asked, just like a fix.

This is a great idea.No DLC needed,just a simple patch.

GivvumBoane

Children would be cool. There was this one quest I hit early on that had this woman stressing about her missing little boy, to find him as a full grown man kinda bugged me. But, if there were children, there would be those chosen few who would complain about not being able to kill them as with Fallout and Skyrim.

Gidorick

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Children would be cool. There was this one quest I hit early on that had this woman stressing about her missing little boy, to find him as a full grown man kinda bugged me. But, if there were children, there would be those chosen few who would complain about not being able to kill them as with Fallout and Skyrim.

I don't know if there really are, but I feel like there are a handful of those quests @GivvumBoane . The first time is jarring. The second time it eye rolling. by the time you've done it a couple more it's downright irritating.

starkerealm

I'm sorry, @Gidorick.

Gidorick wrote:

How ZOS could add children to Tamriel...

Through pregnancy.

Gidorick

starkerealm wrote: »

I'm sorry, @Gidorick.

Gidorick wrote:

How ZOS could add children to Tamriel...

Through pregnancy.

heh... well. I DO suggest that after this DLC we be allowed to create "offspring characters" @starkerealm . I would love it if we could create children followers that we take along with us on our adventures. They fight along beside us and grow and level. Once they reach a certain level they become unlocked as player characters. This would actually make it make sense that CPs are shared and it would help us feel a sense of connection and legacy with our characters.

GivvumBoane

Gidorick wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Children would be cool. There was this one quest I hit early on that had this woman stressing about her missing little boy, to find him as a full grown man kinda bugged me. But, if there were children, there would be those chosen few who would complain about not being able to kill them as with Fallout and Skyrim.

I don't know if there really are, but I feel like there are a handful of those quests @GivvumBoane . The first time is jarring. The second time it eye rolling. by the time you've done it a couple more it's downright irritating.

I think there are a couple. That was just the first one I came upon. When I found the guy I immediately looked at him as if he were some little pansy momma's boy.

FriedEggSandwich

Kids in skyrim were annoying AF, and creepy. I'm fine without them in eso. If they suddenly appeared and were as annoying as skyrim I would consider it a backwards step. I'd be ok with it if they just ran around in the background and didn't interact, like the cats and dogs of eso. But mini NPCs with opinions and squeaky voice lines with an adult interpretation of what kids say to be cute? No thanks.

Volkodav

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Kids in skyrim were annoying AF, and creepy. I'm fine without them in eso. If they suddenly appeared and were as annoying as skyrim I would consider it a backwards step. I'd be ok with it if they just ran around in the background and didn't interact, like the cats and dogs of eso. But mini NPCs with opinions and squeaky voice lines with an adult interpretation of what kids say to be cute? No thanks.

Why would kids be creepy in Skyrim? People have to have kids before their population can grow.It's just realism.Like blood and gore,only small people running around as they tend to do in the world.

FriedEggSandwich

Volkodav wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Kids in skyrim were annoying AF, and creepy. I'm fine without them in eso. If they suddenly appeared and were as annoying as skyrim I would consider it a backwards step. I'd be ok with it if they just ran around in the background and didn't interact, like the cats and dogs of eso. But mini NPCs with opinions and squeaky voice lines with an adult interpretation of what kids say to be cute? No thanks.

Why would kids be creepy in Skyrim? People have to have kids before their population can grow.It's just realism.Like blood and gore,only small people running around as they tend to do in the world.

They were badly modelled, all had the same middle-american kid accent and only had about 3 different models of boys and girls so they just all looked the same. The kid that called you dad at your hearthfire home just looked like every other male kid in skyrim and would just stand there and stare at you. 3/10 to bethesda for effort on skyrim kids. I'd be ok with kids in eso if they didn't use skyrim for inspiration.

Volkodav

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Kids in skyrim were annoying AF, and creepy. I'm fine without them in eso. If they suddenly appeared and were as annoying as skyrim I would consider it a backwards step. I'd be ok with it if they just ran around in the background and didn't interact, like the cats and dogs of eso. But mini NPCs with opinions and squeaky voice lines with an adult interpretation of what kids say to be cute? No thanks.

Why would kids be creepy in Skyrim? People have to have kids before their population can grow.It's just realism.Like blood and gore,only small people running around as they tend to do in the world.

They were badly modelled, all had the same middle-american kid accent and only had about 3 different models of boys and girls so they just all looked the same. The kid that called you dad at your hearthfire home just looked like every other male kid in skyrim and would just stand there and stare at you. 3/10 to bethesda for effort on skyrim kids. I'd be ok with kids in eso if they didn't use skyrim for inspiration.

Yeah,they were all the same,voices too.
Thing is that in ESO the NPCs have the same voices a lot too.Not those in direct quests,but any you talk to.Like the female Argonians.So,it wouldnt really be much difference. lol.
I thought you meant that it w as creepy to have kids in Skyrim.XD

ContraTempo

I'm imagining Neverland as a DLC

Digiman

Honestly it's not like you having roaming bands of players from the opposing faction killing other NPC's in enemy alliances.

Even WoW and SWTOR have children in the game. That's a clear precedent.

As for blade woe being used on them or them being killed, make sure the bounty on them is incredible high and punishing.

Volkodav

Gidorick wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is the problem... people want 'more content' yet expect the devs to devote days, weeks or months to creating children, adding animations and then adding them to all the zones across Tamriel- that's a HUGE undertaking.

Second, do you know how much taxing of resources this would do to an already stressed system by adding even more NPCs and animations?!?

Sorry, I'd rather have ZOS work on fixing the numerous bugs in the game and continuing to add more CONTENT... sorry but adding children is the lowest of low on my wish list.

I love how people are just accepting that ESOs engine is sub standard and are fine with the development of the game suffering for it.

My suggestion would involve the addition of a new DLC, a new zone, a new Daedric Realm, possibly adding mount & mounted combat and the possibility of adding the ability to make mixed race children characters.

If that's not CONTENT then I'd love to know what is @ADarklore .

Nooo,if you make a child race for people to play,they'll wind up getting weird with them.Mark me words.

Abeille

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Kids in skyrim were annoying AF, and creepy. I'm fine without them in eso. If they suddenly appeared and were as annoying as skyrim I would consider it a backwards step. I'd be ok with it if they just ran around in the background and didn't interact, like the cats and dogs of eso. But mini NPCs with opinions and squeaky voice lines with an adult interpretation of what kids say to be cute? No thanks.

Why would kids be creepy in Skyrim? People have to have kids before their population can grow.It's just realism.Like blood and gore,only small people running around as they tend to do in the world.

They were badly modelled, all had the same middle-american kid accent and only had about 3 different models of boys and girls so they just all looked the same. The kid that called you dad at your hearthfire home just looked like every other male kid in skyrim and would just stand there and stare at you. 3/10 to bethesda for effort on skyrim kids. I'd be ok with kids in eso if they didn't use skyrim for inspiration.

They really are awfully made in Skyrim. I got a mod to make them look like people instead of like potatoes. Made me wonder if they didn't belong in Oblivion instead, at least it would match the looks of the adults since everybody in Oblivion looked like a potato xD

And all of the Skyrim kids are humans, too, which is also annoying. With all the Orc settlements and Khajiit caravans in Skyrim, you would expect to see some little orcs and kittens running around. I agree with you, and I hope that ESO doesn't do it like Skyrim if they ever add children.

FriedEggSandwich

Abeille wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Kids in skyrim were annoying AF, and creepy. I'm fine without them in eso. If they suddenly appeared and were as annoying as skyrim I would consider it a backwards step. I'd be ok with it if they just ran around in the background and didn't interact, like the cats and dogs of eso. But mini NPCs with opinions and squeaky voice lines with an adult interpretation of what kids say to be cute? No thanks.

Why would kids be creepy in Skyrim? People have to have kids before their population can grow.It's just realism.Like blood and gore,only small people running around as they tend to do in the world.

They were badly modelled, all had the same middle-american kid accent and only had about 3 different models of boys and girls so they just all looked the same. The kid that called you dad at your hearthfire home just looked like every other male kid in skyrim and would just stand there and stare at you. 3/10 to bethesda for effort on skyrim kids. I'd be ok with kids in eso if they didn't use skyrim for inspiration.

They really are awfully made in Skyrim. I got a mod to make them look like people instead of like potatoes. Made me wonder if they didn't belong in Oblivion instead, at least it would match the looks of the adults since everybody in Oblivion looked like a potato xD

And all of the Skyrim kids are humans, too, which is also annoying. With all the Orc settlements and Khajiit caravans in Skyrim, you would expect to see some little orcs and kittens running around. I agree with you, and I hope that ESO doesn't do it like Skyrim if they ever add children.

Good point, it never even occurred to me they were all human, I was too distracted by the fact they were all the same human lol. I wonder if there's a mod for kittens and little orcs.

Lysette

Volkodav wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Kids in skyrim were annoying AF, and creepy. I'm fine without them in eso. If they suddenly appeared and were as annoying as skyrim I would consider it a backwards step. I'd be ok with it if they just ran around in the background and didn't interact, like the cats and dogs of eso. But mini NPCs with opinions and squeaky voice lines with an adult interpretation of what kids say to be cute? No thanks.

Why would kids be creepy in Skyrim? People have to have kids before their population can grow.It's just realism.Like blood and gore,only small people running around as they tend to do in the world.

The creepy part is, that they act in a modern way - like they would have something to contribute and their opinions would matter - but this is a modern view on things, in the past this did not matter at all. Children had to obey and otherwise not talk, when adults are talking and especially not address them in ways, which are just nasty and insulting. This is not how children were for most of our history, that is just the way, in which modern parents raise their children - and as well not everywhere in the world, but just in the western world - the rest of the world is rather normal and handles this like it always was. Same goes for the notion of teen age - this is a modern notion, and just valid in the western world, rest of the world does not have that.

Taisynn

Why the hell do we need children in this game? If I were a parent in the times and situations of ESO, I wouldn't be caught dead having my child outside of the house or safe haven. It makes sense that they would all be hidden in some fortress to keep them from people like the "player" persona

As soon as you add children, people will start making inappropriate jokes about them; or troll roleplayers by "roleplaying" dirty things with the NPCs. They'll start demanding we be able to kill the kids. What was one of the first mods in Skyrim? Killable children.

Please do not implement kids; this community cannot be trusted with it...