Why doesn't the empower buff from inner light increase the damage of meteor?

chaserstorm16909

At least it doesn't on ps4. But I can't speak for the other platforms.

Lynx7386

From what I can tell, most ultimates are not effected by empower, the same goes for any damage over time abilities

Nifty2g

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

At least it doesn't on ps4. But I can't speak for the other platforms.

Empower doesn't work on DoTS. I think it's a bug because like Dawnbreaker it deals initial damage but Dawnbreaker gets benefits from Empower.

So I dunno, pretty sure it is bug though.

IcyDeadPeople

Lynx7386 wrote: »

From what I can tell, most ultimates are not effected by empower, the same goes for any damage over time abilities

Empower certainly used to increase the damage of ultimates - that's why some combos have been popular like wrecking blow + leap, magelight or entropy + meteor etc. Did something happen with the latest patch to change this?

As for damage over time, I believe empower only affects the first tick, so it's not as useful.

chaserstorm16909

Nifty2g wrote: »

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

At least it doesn't on ps4. But I can't speak for the other platforms.

Empower doesn't work on DoTS. I think it's a bug because like Dawnbreaker it deals initial damage but Dawnbreaker gets benefits from Empower.

So I dunno, pretty sure it is bug though.

I hope they fix it. It's very important for my build.

GreenSoup2HoT

Are you using an ability before the Meteor hits? There is a lot of delay between you using Inner Light and Meteor. Just because you cast the ability before something else does not mean it will register with the empower bonus. You need to wait for the Meteor to make contact before you use any other ability.

I just did some testing on ps4 and the Empower does work on Meteor's Initial Damage. Empower from Mage Guild cannot Empower another Mage Guild ability.

Nifty2g

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

From what I can tell, most ultimates are not effected by empower, the same goes for any damage over time abilities

Empower certainly used to increase the damage of ultimates - that's why some combos have been popular like wrecking blow + leap, magelight or entropy + meteor etc. Did something happen with the latest patch to change this?

As for damage over time, I believe empower only affects the first tick, so it's not as useful.

Meteor and empower never worked.
Some damage over time abilities have an initial hit then the damage over time effect kicks in, that is why some get the empower and some others dont. Been a lot of reports but I guess it takes a lot of effort to go in and fix them up and change them internally

chaserstorm16909

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Are you using an ability before the Meteor hits? There is a lot of delay between you using Inner Light and Meteor. Just because you cast the ability before something else does not mean it will register with the empower bonus. You need to wait for the Meteor to make contact before you use any other ability.

I just did some testing on ps4 and the Empower does work on Meteor's Initial Damage.

I will test it again, but I don't think it worked.

chaserstorm16909

I just tested it again and it definitely does not work. I am not performing any abilities in between, and firing the meteor immediately after activating inner light. Are you sure the extra damage you were seeing in your test wasn't from a crit or some other buff?

GreenSoup2HoT

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

I just tested it again and it definitely does not work. I am not performing any abilities in between, and firing the meteor immediately after activating inner light. Are you sure the extra damage you were seeing in your test wasn't from a crit or some other buff?

Sorry i was wrong. Empower from Inner Light is indeed not working and i think i've figured out why. I did some testing with Ambush that does also give you Empower and you can see the problem.

When i used Ambush then Meteor, i would crit for about 17-18k. However when i used Mage Light it would only crit for about 16k which is roughly 20% less.

I believe the problem is that even though you are proc'ing might of the guild, since Meteor is also proc'ing the same might of the guild, it refreshes the Empower buff that should be granted to meteor before it hit's. Which mean's you cannot use any Mage Guild ability to Empower another. I also tested this with Equilibrium and this held true.

So the only way to Empower Meteor is to use something that is not Might of the Guild. Which is unfortunate since mage guild abilities should have class skill synergy but they do not.

chaserstorm16909

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

I just tested it again and it definitely does not work. I am not performing any abilities in between, and firing the meteor immediately after activating inner light. Are you sure the extra damage you were seeing in your test wasn't from a crit or some other buff?

Sorry i was wrong. Empower from Inner Light is indeed not working and i think i've figured out why. I did some testing with Ambush that does also give you Empower and you can see the problem.

When i used Ambush then Meteor, i would crit for about 17-18k. However when i used Mage Light it would only crit for about 16k which is roughly 20% less.

I believe the problem is that even though you are proc'ing might of the guild, since Meteor is also proc'ing the same might of the guild, it refreshes the Empower buff that should be granted to meteor before it hit's. Which mean's you cannot use any Mage Guild ability to Empower another. I also tested this with Equilibrium and this held true.

So the only way to Empower Meteor is to use something that is not Might of the Guild. Which is unfortunate since mage guild abilities should have class skill synergy but they do not.

I think you are right about the meteor proc over writing the inner light proc. Thank you for the explanation.