I dislike CP being 'Levels'

Mashille

I know others have talked about things similar to this but I would like to state how I have a problem with the system currently as it is, if you are unclear about what I have written in case I have written something that doesn't make any sense ask and I will reply with what I mean

Levels: I don't really like that Champion Points are the new 'Levels' after you hit 50. I liked it when they were an individual side progression system that you earned just while playing the game and leveling up through veteran ranks (Not that I liked the VR grind) rather than the current system which has basically turned them into a Level Soft Cap (If they keep raising them and I am using the right word, I dunno, maybe softcap is the wrong word but I dunno what else to use) as you hit 50 then start going through Champion Points and making your character stronger through progression with Diminishing Returns and requiring more XP for each CP.

Personally, I don't think they should even be related to 'Levels' at all which is also why I dislike Gear being attached to them, they should be something you earn as you play rather than something you need to get in order to get better gear. The topic about gear also annoys me as it is inconsistent for Gear Capping at 160 CP then CP continuing on and gear not seems odd and makes you wonder why even bother connecting the systems. (Note: I do not want them the raise the gear cap at all to fit better with CP as grinding for new gear is the worst)

Gear: I feel that something else could be done to link with gear and leveling after 50 instead of CP and keeping CP as that cool individual bonus progression that it was before with Veteran Ranks. Perhaps they could destroy all gear levels above 50 and remove some of the tiers of Materials and have levels stop at 50, or maybe they could simply add a new level cap that goes up to 80 or something like that where your actual level shows up on your character rather than your CP as seeing CP numbers on characters is also something I'm not a huge fan of.

I understand that this is most likely unpopular as people like being auto leveled to their CP level at hitting 50 but if there was another system that was implemented which achieved the same type of effect and took the exact same length of time to get to as CP 160 but also made Champion Points back into the additional progression system they were before DB would you rather have that showing on Character Names and linking to gear rather than CP doing it. I think the minimum possible thing to do if my suggestion was taken into account would be to display 'Level 50' on Character names instead of 'Champion 501' or just stopping Champion Points being associated with Gear as that's not what they were originally and I don't think they were intended to be originally either.

What ever system that would be I'm, not 100% sure as there are many different routes that it could take and I feel it would be a positive change, however I know most people will probably disagree.

I'm not sure if anything I've written makes any sense at all or if I've just written a bunch of words that don't make any sense but what are people's thoughts?

Korah_Eaglecry

Theres another thread active about this. And yet, somehow you figured you needed your own little thread about it.

Mashille

@Korah_Eaglecry

I wanted to highlight my personal problems with how the systems interact currently and why I dislike them the way they are, I felt that I had some thoughts about it that could be worth reading (I haven't read every thread on the forum so I don't know if all my points have already been presented, I'm sorry if they have)

Edit: Let's be honest, when have ZOS ever actually listened to something that hasn't had at least 50 threads about it

JamilaRaj

keybaud wrote: »

Levels: I don't really like that Champion Points are the new 'Levels' after you hit 50.

They have always been levels, just more fine-grained, invisible and parallel to vet ranks.
It would be more pertinent to ask a) why CPs instead of VRs or normal levels, and even more so b) why levels of any kind and then scale content/players.

Mashille

@JamilaRaj

I guess you're right that they are like levels but I think what I mean is I preferred it when they were, like you said 'parallel' to the leveling of Veteran Ranks which, to me is what made sense for them to be, rather than them being tied to gear.

I dunno, maybe I'm just being awkward and don't like seeing the large numbers under player names. I mean, I understand why they've done it so they can do the account wide level after 50 and I like that as a concept so it makes sense to have it instead of no levels at all or VR's as well as the reason that it gives players something to progress onwards but I just think I'd prefer if they hadn't become the main focus now after 50.

Again, I don't even know what I'm saying or if it makes sense I feel like I can't do anything today so may just be talking complete rubbish.

I think my main problem with them is how they basically are levels now but don't feel like it when you earn one, which is why I think I'd prefer it if they were a parallel system as before. That, as well as the inconsistency with gear being tied to the first 160 of them then all the rest not being linked to gear at all, I'd rather have gear not be associated with CP's at all.

I might be repeating myself, I apologize if I am.

Lightninvash

@Gidorick has a post about this that you could and probably should have posted in instead of posting a thread about the same topic.

Mashille

@Lightninvash

I wasn't entirely sure if the topics in my thread had been fully covered and if they have I'm sorry.

Lightninvash

keybaud wrote: »

@Lightninvash

I wasn't entirely sure if the topics in my thread had been fully covered and if they have I'm sorry.

I want to say you both had very similar complaints in the matter. I feel as you went into more depth about why than he did

I know I'm probably completely alone in this but the conversion to veteran ranks has really negatively impacted my motivation to play my main character. I don't like that the Champion Level is so prominent and the fact that CP level is being used for item requirements doesn't make it any better. Before, when the Champion Points were beneath the leveling, they seemed like a cool addition to ESO. The champion system was this little tangential leveling system to give players a little incentive to keep going but now they seem... intrusive.

Gidorick

You seem to pretty much have the same issues I do @keybaud , but you definitely went into more specifics than I. For me, my complaint is pretty much "CPs as the main leveling system feels "wrong" for the Elder Scrolls.

Sure we can discuss the specifics. We can discuss how Skyrim's attribute system is what ESO's CP visual esthetics are based off of... we can beat our heads all day. But in the end... after leveling 1-50 (which is fine) reverting to a system that doesn't you your core attribute values and will eventually see you at level 500... isn't an "Elder Scrolls' leveling system.

At least it isn't to me.

Gidorick

Lightninvash wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

@Lightninvash

I wasn't entirely sure if the topics in my thread had been fully covered and if they have I'm sorry.

I want to say you both had very similar complaints in the matter. I feel as you went into more depth about why than he did

I know I'm probably completely alone in this but the conversion to veteran ranks has really negatively impacted my motivation to play my main character. I don't like that the Champion Level is so prominent and the fact that CP level is being used for item requirements doesn't make it any better. Before, when the Champion Points were beneath the leveling, they seemed like a cool addition to ESO. The champion system was this little tangential leveling system to give players a little incentive to keep going but now they seem... intrusive.

Thanks for the quote @Lightninvash ! and yea... more detail in this one. Both are valid I think. I'd be happy to abandon my ship to support this one if it means more posts are made on the issue. That seems to be when things happen around here... when we get a buncha posts on an issue.

So.... carry on.

Morimizo

On the brigh tside, I like that the entire Cadwell's Gold set of zones is leveled to CP160, so now there is no worries about outlpacing the content there. Great variety for the ALT brigade!

Leandor

I do understand the concerns with the CP-system, even if I value the exact things that mostly get criticised (account-wide progression as opposed to character-wide progression). That said, these posts do leave an aftertaste for me.

The removal of veteran ranks, with all its consequences, was widely discussed for a long time. Even before that, the chore of veteran levelling was very much unanimously criticised from start of the game.

In all of these discussions, the voices of those happy with VRs or more so, the voices of those disliking the account progression idea, were silent.

As soon as the system is implemented, these voices now feel the need to be heard on the forums up and down. This is, what aggravates me.

Please do not misunderstand me, I'm all for voicing opinions, but there is a time for everything. The chance of discussing this has passed. To reopen it now for me is complaint for complaint's sake, sorry to be so blunt.